WINTLE families of Westbury/Rodley area 1700 - 1800

My Gt Gt Grandfather Joseph Wintle was born in Rodley & baptised at Westbury in 1803. So was another Joseph Wintle - so I don't know if his parents were John & Ann or Daniel & Elizabeth. Joseph spent most of his life in Bristol, where he had a large family & a linen merchant's business in Clare Street. Nearby was another linen merchant - James Wintle, also born in Westbury. What was their relationship? Any information on how the many Wintles in the Westbury, Newnham & Mitcheldean areas fitted together would be welcome.

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Wintle name probably means 'People of the windy hill'.

Wintle's Hill, on the A48 trunk road, is part of the hilly ground, which runs down from Chaxhill /Stantway into Westbury-on-Severn, Gloucestershire.
This probably goes back to the time when the Wintles held Stantway Court.

More recently ( 1920's) Martin Wintle from Bristol owned Court Farm Rodley.

a good starting point is :-
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=15766

You may have seen these references before :-

GRO D36 T18, 24 Jany 11 james [1613-14] witness Richard Wintelle
GRO D36 T62 16/10/1647 "William Wyntle late of Stayntway gent, [in] 28 May 1614
GRO D36 T70 20 Jan 1628/9 "William Wintel of Clyve in Wesbury, yeoman, son and heir of Richard Wintel, late of Clyve yeoman decd and Susanna wife of William Wintle.......all in Rodley in occupation of William Wyntle of Rodley yeoman. Witnesses George Wintle [amongst others]"
GRO D36 T70 10 May 1669 "Thomas Wintel of Cowly Elme inthe parish of Westbury Yeoman...........formerly property of Thomas Wintle his grandfather"
GRO D36 T90 31 January 1633 William Wintle of the Hill Westbury, yeoman
GRO D36 T95 3 October 1695 Roger Wintel of Rodley in Westbury yeoman
GRO D36 T95 4 October 1695 Roger Wintle of Rodley in Westbury yeoman...... Roger to have no further claim as under Henry Wintel (his father) or John Wintle (his grandfather) both dec'd.
GRO D36 T101 11 Jan 1616/17 rohcard Wyntle of Clyve yeoman an George Wyntle of Ardens in Wesbury
GRO D36 T111 14 march 1618/19 Witnesses William Wyntle

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Thanks, slowhands - I had seen the info about the Wintles in the Victoria County history, but not the earlier GRO references. There are lots of Wintles in the churchyard at Westbury, but I've not yet been able to make the connection between Joseph & the rest of the clan.

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Martin Wintle of Bristol who bought Court Farm, Rodley, was born in Rodley & was another linen draper! See census 1861 (apprenticed to Mr Burford of Newnham) in 1881 & 1901 he was still living in Bristol.

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ah but was it Martin Wintle 1843 (Rodley) or his son (John) Martin Wintle 1878(Bristol) who came "over" to buy up Court Farm in the 1920's ?
< I have a feeling it was the son (John) Martin >

<< Mistake acknowledged 16/1/06>>

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According to Victoria county history Martin Wintle bought Court Farm from the Colchesters in 1879 & it was sold to Glos county council in 1919. Martin Wintle evidently took over the drapers business from James Wintle ( 3 Bridge Parade, Bristol) & diversified into trading as a horse clothing dealer ( see Kelly's directory, Bristol 1902 - Historical directories).

Any more suggestions on the drapers connections?

Julien

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Thanks, Slowhands for putting me on the trail of Martin Wintle -- from the IGI & various years of the census, I have established now that Martin was the son of Samuel & Maria Wintle of Yew Tree Farm , Rodley. Samuel was the brother of Joseph Wintle the draper (my GGfather) and their parents John & Ann were also the parents of James Wintle, the other Bristol linen draper, so that's cleared up that mystery - they were two brothers & a nephew. A sister, Susanna, married Edmund Vimpany of Saul in 1811, but they died in 1821 &1819 respectively, leaving their son, Edwin, to become James Wintle's business partner (1841 census). He seems to have died, as I can't find him on later years. Martin Wintle took over James Wintle's business & seems to have stayed in Bristol. Now it's back to the Parish registers for Thomas & Sarah, the parents of John.

Julien

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Hi Julien
I am unable to assist with MARTIN however I have a few WINTLE's in my tree. John WINTLE (1749) m. Ann (1762) and had 9 children, Sarah, John, Susannah (m. Vimpany), Thomas, Samual, William, James, Ann, and Joseph(1803) m. Frances. Joseph and Frances had 10 children. I am decended from Joseph and Frances. The family had several linen outlets in Bristol. Cowly Elme in the informative post by "slowhands"( cowley's Elm) figures large in the family history.

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Hallo Bri

Fancy that! I am also descended from Joseph & Frances, via their son Henry (b1843). I had got stuck, as two Joseph Wintles were baptised at Westbury in 1803, but a very useful reply from Linda cleared that up. You have obviously got further with your research than me. I spent a day at Glos records office last week & came back with John Wintle's will, which mentions all the farms he owned at the time. Would you be the same Bri who posted a reply on Roots web in Feb 2002? I read that the other day but thought it was too old to respond to! Would be interested to work out what our relationship is? The main reason Martin came up was the reply from Slowhands about his purchase of Court Farm.

Julien

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Hi cousin,
I remember a story that Martin was very protective of his daughters, so protective in fact that none of them married.
There is a will that best explains the linen businesses. Do you have a email address as the members link appears to be off as far as my computer is concerned.
Cheers

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bri

Please have a read of the message I have just posted titled "Message to all Registered Members".

It explains how the email link works and how to change various options.

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Many thanks for this friendly & most useful website -- when I posted my original message I did not expect to find a long-lost cousin!

Julien

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Hi Bri

Yes, please email me - I've changed the setting in the user area of the board so you can send me a message that way. I've just read the useful instructions on how to do that!
Interesting story about Martin's daughters - they must have lived well into the C20 --I haven't tracked them at all past the 1901 census. I would be very interested in the will. The linen drapers & their separate business addresses puzzled me for some time. I had a look at Joseph's house last year & also the shop in Clare street-- took some photos, which I could email you.
What's your line of descent from Joseph?

Julien

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Me again
On opening the computer database I find Samual WINTLE m. Maria MARDURICK and had 10 children. Martin is the 4th son and he had 5 children ( Agnes, Clara, John, Winifred, & Douglas). Thats about all I have.

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I have an interest in James WINTLE born c 1840 and brother to Martin. This is the 1851 Census entry:

1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Samuel HD M 60 Freehold Farmer 83A 2 Lab GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Maria WI M 46 Farmer's Wife GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE John SO U 17 Farmer's Son GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Ann DA U 16 Farmer's Dau GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Caroline DA U 14 Farmer's Dau GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Mary DA - 12 Farmer's Dau GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE James SO - 10 Scholar GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Martin SO - 8 Scholar GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Samuel SO - 5 Scholar GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Susan DA - 4 Scholar GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm WINTLE Elizabeth DA - 1 - GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm HART Ellen SV U 15 House Servant GLS Westbury
1959 0480 050 Yew Tree Farm HEWETT William SV U 23 Farm Servant GLS Hartpury

GFHS Marriage database tells me that Samuel married Maria HARDWICK on 30 October 1828 at Westbury on Severn.

IGI indicates that Samuel was baptised 27 January 1790 and parents were John WINTLE and Ann.

Can anyone add to this please?

Mike

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Hi Michael

John & Ann Wintle were my GGG Grandparents & had 9 children:
Sarah 1783, John 1785, Susanna 1786, Thomas 1788, Samuel 1790, William 1792, James 1794, Ann 1799, & Joseph 1803.

John Wintle died in 1820 & in his will left Yew Tree Farm & Pleydells jointly to William & Samuel as tenants in common. Their brother John died in 1826, leaving his farm, Cowley's Elm to his brother William, on payment of one thousand, two hundred pounds. I think William couldn't have come up with the money straight away as it was owned by Mr Collins in 1839 & leased to William, who finally bought it in 1846. (see www.british-history.ac.uk )
Samuel's family continued to live at Yew Tree farm.

I'm delighted in all this interest in the Wintles & their connections -- are you another relative?

Julien

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Sorry to butt in on Wintle family history but I saw the name Vimpany mentioned which is my family name and thought you might like to know that Edwin died in 1846 aged 26 and I wondered if you have any further information about Edmund and Susanna. I did not know they died in 1819 and 1821.

Sue

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Hi Sue

Are you descended from Edwin Vimpany? I do not know much about Edmund except that he came from Saul & married Susanna Wintle at Westbury on 22nd January 1811. Susanna was the daughter of John Wintle & the sister of Joseph the linen draper (see my original post). Edmund died aged 38 in 1821 & Susanna in 1819 aged 30. Their other children, Elizabeth, Edmund, & Susan, were left money & property in the will of Thomas Wintle, another brother of Joseph & Susanna.

Julien
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Reply by Judith Vivmpani moved to a new thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2596

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Edwin's grandfather was also Edmund b 1756 and his brother Richard b 1759 was my 3 X great grandfather. Thank you for the information about the will. I wondered where the money came from for Edmund to live as a gentleman.

Sue

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Hi Julien,

My g,g,g, grandfather was Joseph Wintle born 1803 in Westbury, whose parents are Daniel and Elizabeth Wintle.

Joseph married Eliza Collyer at Newlands in 1838. Eliza was his second wife, as yet, I have not found out the name of his first wife.
Joseph and Eliza had three children that I know of so far, their names were Frances, Eliza and Joseph. I don't know if there was any children from Joseph's first marriage.

If you think we are connected, please e-mail me

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Linda.

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Many thanks for your reply, Linda - you've solved the question of Joseph's parents which has been a brick wall for some time! I now know that my Joseph was not the son of Daniel & Elizabeth, but was the son of John & Ann. Now I need to find out why Joseph left Westbury to work in Bristol, & how that fitted in with James Wintle, the other linen draper!

Julien

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Hi Linda,
Amongst the papers (dated 1965) in a box labeled "not ours" I have a snippet on Joseph & Mary WINTLE (twins) c. 21 june 1803, youngest of eight.
f. Daniel b.1739 ~ d.23 Dec 1808, m. Elizabeth Goode on 23 Dec 1785.
occupation- Labourer. Also a note "it appears Daniel & Elizabeth had children before Dec 1785, but his marital status prior to 1785 is uncertain"
Just goes to prove if you keep something long enough it will become useful.
Cheers

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It looks as though Daniel may have married twice -- a) to Elizabeth White on 4th December 1771 at Westbury & b) to Elizabeth Good on 23rd December 1785.
From Westbury Parish records I have found: Baptism March 14th 1741, the son of George & Hannah, & burial 26th December 1808 aged 69.

Julien

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