Richard Nelms b abt 1819 West Dean

Hello,
I'm looking for a birth record for my GGG Grandfather Richard Nelms. I'm hoping to find his fathers name. His mothers first name was Mary b 1797. I have every census report back to 1851. I'm also waiting to receive a marriage record I ordered on Richard married 1841 Monmouth reg dist. I had to order it blind and I'm hoping it will be the right one. His wife was Elizabeth b abt 1826 and she died before 1861. Richard and his sons and grandsons were colliers and coalminers. His son John b Dec 9 1846 immigrated to the US in the early 1800's. I found him and his family in many census here (I'm in Pennsylvania USA)
I'm thrilled that a Forest of Dean site exists!

Bonnie Nelm(e)s

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Hi Bonnie

You say you have every census report back to 1851 - how old does it say he was in 1851?

The closest I could find were as follows:
Richard Nelmes c. 2 Oct 1814 Little Dean to Richard Nelmes and Mary and
Richard Nelmes c. 27 May 1828 Lydney to Richard Nelmes and Mary.

Joanne.

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Hello Joanne,

I'm looking at the original document and 32 years old is written for Richard and wife Elizabeth is 25. West Dean District 5l ref HO 107/2444.
In the 1861 census at East Dean RG 9/1755 he is 46 a widower living with his Mom and one son John b 1846. There is a difference in the age for Richard I expected but I've seen this kind of thing before. I can't tell what date the census was taken in 1861 or in any uk census. I can only hope it's the same family.
I've kept note on the other Richards you mentioned incase of other relationships such as cousins.
What do you think?

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Hello again,
I can be dense sometimes... the record you found about Richard and Mary at Little Dean with son Richard b 1814. It is possible that it's the record I've been looking for. Where did you find that?
Thank You and
Kindest Regards
Bonita

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Hey that's ok!

It was in the IGI online at this website: www.familysearch.org

Joanne

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Richard son of John and Mary seems to tie in with marriage and later census

Year 1816
Month Nov
Day 3
Parents Surname NELMES
Child Forename(s) Richard
Father's Forename(s) John
Mother's Forename(s) Mary
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ruerdean [Ruardean]
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event type C
Memoranda son of
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/7
Page No 24
Parish Ruardean

1841 Worral Hill , Lydbrook
Source information: HO107/364/11
Registration district: Ross
Sub-registration district: Ross
ED, institution, or vessel: 12A
Folio: 68
Page: 9

Richard Nellms abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Name:Elijah [ELIZA] Baldwyn
Name: Richard Nelms
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 26
Page: 85

Year 1841
Month Oct
Day 16
Groom Surname NELMS
Groom Forename(s) Richard
Groom Age at Marriage of f
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Camomile Green
Groom Father's Surname Nelms
Groom Father's Forename(s) John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier
Bride Surname BALDWYN
Bride Forename(s) Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage of f
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession none stated
Bride Residence Camomile Green
Bride Father's Surname Baldwyn
Bide Father's Forename(s) James
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Block layer
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 George Baldwyn
Witness 2 Mary Baldwyn
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister George Ridout Vicar
Event type M
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/12
Page No 111
Parish or Chapel Name Newland

1841 Cammomile Green
Source information: HO107/364/11
Registration district: Ross
Sub-registration district: Ross
ED, institution, or vessel: 12A
Folio: 68
Page: 11
Jas Baldwyn abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann Baldwyn abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Emely Baldwyn abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
George Baldwyn abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Berry Hill ??
John Nelmes abt 1787 Lowthy West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Nelmes abt 1786 Lowthy West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
William Nelmes abt 1832 Lowthy West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Ann Teague abt 1836 Lowthy West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland Gloucestershire
Charlette Hale abt 1845 Lowthy West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland Gloucestershire

1851 Worral Hill , Lydbrook
Richard Nelms abt 1819 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Nelms abt 1826 West Dean Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Nelms abt 1841 West Dean Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John Nelms abt 1846 West Dean Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Reddings, Lydbrook
Mary Nelms abt 1797 Wast Dean Mother East Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Nelms abt 1815 Wast Dean Head East Dean Gloucestershire
John Nelms abt 1846 Wast Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire

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Thank You a million times!

I finally understand the relationship I have to the Baldwyn family. Most joyous for me is I know my GGGG Grandfather's name was John. Would you believe I have a copy of the marriage between Richard and Elizabeth and I thought it wasn't the right one.
Thank You Slowhands - Have a wonderous holiday season!
Bonnie (Bonita) Nelm(e)s

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I wonder if this is another twist to consider >>>>>

Year 1830
Month Nov
Day 29
Groom Surname NELMES
Groom Forename(s) John
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Extra Parochial
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname PARRY
Bride Forename(s) Mary
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Extra Parochial
Bride Father's Surname
Bide Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark he signs, she marks
Witness 1 James Nelmes
Witness 2 Jonathan Harper
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister T D Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event type M
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/9
Page No 31
Parish or Chapel Name Ruardean

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There is a John NELMES registering as Free miner (#63) on Sept 1st 1838 , living Berry Hill, age 56

and a George NELMES as Free miner ( #64 ) on Sept 1st 1838 living Joyford, age 22

1841 - looks like NELMES to me ! in Berry Hill
George Nehmer abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Nehmer abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Alfred Nehmer abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizth Nehmer abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

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There is a James BALDWYN registering as Free miner (#101) on Sept 1st 1838 , living Camomile Green, age 46

which is pouring more doubt on the Abenhall Baldwins (!)

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Living a short distance from Richard Nelmes ( at Worral Hill ) Upper Lydbrook is

1841 The Bourts / Cammomile Green
Source information: HO107/364/11
Registration district: Ross
Sub-registration district: Ross
ED, institution, or vessel: 12A
Folio: 67
Page: 10

John Bethell abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann Bethell abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Bauldwin abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

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Year 1825
Month Jul
Day 3
Parents Surname BALDWIN
Child Forename(s) Eliza
Father's Forename(s) James
Mother's Forename(s) Ann
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Mitcheldean
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister Joseph Daniel Curate
Event type C
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P 220 IN 1/3
Page No 39
Parish Mitcheldean

1841 Silver St Abenhall
Source information: HO107/364/1
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Folio: 3
Page: 3

James Baldwin abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire
Ann Baldwin abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire
David Baldwin abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire
Eliza Baldwin abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire
George Baldwin abt 1830 Abinghall Gloucestershire
Sophia Baldwin abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Abinghall Gloucestershire

< The ages are rounded i.e 15,35, 45, except for the "yung uns">

1851
James Baldwin abt 1803 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Abinghall Gloucestershire
Ann Baldwin abt 1795 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abinghall Gloucestershire
David Baldwin abt 1833 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Son Abinghall Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1838 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abinghall Gloucestershire
Sophia Baldwin abt 1840 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abinghall Gloucestershire
Sarah Bennett abt 1849 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Abinghall Gloucestershire

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