I am trying to do research on my grandmother's side of the family SMITH & DREW from Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England . Looking for: ALFRED SMITH, b . abt . 1838 in Witchurch (East Dean), Gloucestershire, England . Married, MARTHA, b . abt . 1842 in the same town . Children are: Amelia; Samuel; Charles; Emily; Adelia; Gertrude; Alfred and Timothy .

Also, looking for EDGAR E. DREW, b .(I am told out of wedlock) April 13, 1860 in Little Dean Parish, he married AMELIA SMITH, May 5, 1881, she was b. February 1861 and d. August 13, 1921, Allegany County, Maryland, U.S.A. Children: Alfred; Martha Ellen (my great grandmother); William E.; Amelia; Gertrude & Lucy. Thank you for your time . Gloria

1851 Littledean

DREW George 46 Stock Taker at Iron Works Little Dean
Mary 44 Cirencester
Lucy 15 Work at Home Little Dean
Henry 13 Scholar Little Dean
Elizabeth 11 Scholar Little Dean
William 9 Scholar Little Dean
Thomas 4 Scholar Little Dean
John 8 Scholar East Dean

< Lucy is Edgar's mother>

<Whitchurch is Herefordshire not East Dean>
1871 Hinders Lane / Littledean Hill
Alfred Smith 30 Whitchurch, Hertfordshire, England Head Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Amelia Smith 10 Whitchurch Daughter Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Charles Smith 6 Gloucestershire, England Son Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Ellen Smith 2 East Dean Daughter Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Emily Smith 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Martha Smith 29 Whitchurch Wife Hinders Lane Gloucestershire
Samuel Smith 8 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Hinders Lane Gloucestershire

1871 Littledean
Alfred Drew 10 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire
Edgar Drew 10 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Little Dean Gloucestershire
George Drew 67 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Drew 64 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean Gloucestershire
John Frampton 21 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Little Dean Gloucestershire
Julia Morgan 14 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Niece Little Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Littledean Hill
Alelia Smith abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Alfred Smith abt 1838 Witchurch (East Dean), Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Alfred Smith abt 1876 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Amelia Smith abt 1861 Witchurch, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Charles Smith abt 1865 Glo, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Emly Smith abt 1867 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Gertitude Smith abt 1874 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Unknown Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Martha Smith abt 1842 Witchurch, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Samual Smith abt 1863 Glo, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Timothy Smith abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean

EDGAR ERNEST DREW

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 AUG 1860 Little Dean, Gloucester, England

Parents:
Mother: LUCY DREW

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C029961 1813 - 1875 0091530 Film 6911755 Film

Sheet: 00

Lucy is beilieved to marry Griffith Cooper
16 Feb 1862 Littledean
1851 Littledean
COOPER Anthony 66 Coal Miner
Sarah 50
John 21 Iron Miner
Griffith 16 Coal Miner
Thomas 9 Scholar
Mary Sister 60 Laundress

1871 Littledean
Alfred William Cooper 8 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire
Griffith Cooper 38 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean Gloucestershire
Lucy Sarah Cooper 35 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Cooper 3 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Cooper 7 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Elizabeth Cooper 5 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Littledaen
Alfred Wm. Cooper abt 1863 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Grieffieth Cooper abt 1834 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Lucy Cooper abt 1836 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Mary Jane Cooper abt 1864 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Mary Jane Cooper abt 1868 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Sarah E. Cooper abt 1866 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean

Year: 1828
Month: Apr
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Briavils
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: CROSS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Barnett
Witness_2: Ann Dobbs
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Friends
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

1841
George Drew abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Drew abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Drew abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Drew abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Lucy Drew abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Drew abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
George Drew abt 1805 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Drew abt 1807 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy S Drew abt 1836 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Drew abt 1838 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean,
Elizabeth Drew abt 1840 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Drew abt 1842 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Drew abt 1847 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
John Drew abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
George Crew abt 1805 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean Gloucestershire
Mary Crew abt 1807 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Littledean Gloucestershire
John Crew abt 1850 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean Gloucestershire
Lucy Crew abt 1836 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean Gloucestershire
Alfred Crew abt 1852 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean Gloucestershire
Thomas Crew abt 1847 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean Gloucestershire
William Crew abt 1842 Anderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean Gloucestershire
Edgar Ernest Drew abt 1860 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Littledean Gloucestershire
George Drew abt 1842 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Littledean Gloucestershire

1871
George Drew 67
Mary Drew 64
Alfred Drew 10
Edgar Drew 10
John Frampton 21
Julia Morgan 14

Year: 1875
Month: Feb
Day: 18
Surname: DREW
Forenames: George
Residence: Littledean
Age_at_death: 72
Officiating_Minister: William Lockett
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/12
Page_No: 86
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

Year: 1875
Month: Feb
Day: 18
Surname: DREW
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Littledean
Age_at_death: 69
Officiating_Minister: William Lockett
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/12
Page_No: 86
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

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1861
Alfred Smith abt 1839 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Head Whitchurch Herefordshire
Martha Smith abt 1843 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife Whitchurch Herefordshire
Amelia Smith abt 1861 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Daughter Whitchurch Herefordshire

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1851
James Smith abt 1815 Walford, Herefordshire, England Head Goodrich Herefordshire
Ann Smith abt 1819 Goodrich, Herefordshire, England Wife Goodrich Herefordshire
Alfred Smith abt 1843 Goodrich, Herefordshire, England Son Goodrich Herefordshire
Charles Smith abt 1850 Goodrich, Herefordshire, England Son Goodrich Herefordshire
James Smith abt 1847 Goodrich, Herefordshire, England Son Goodrich Herefordshire

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Why would there be 2 daughters of the same name?
I have come accross this before in my tree but with no rasonable explanation for it.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Jo

One possible reason is that one child would die in infancy, and then the name would be used again for the next child.

In some cases, however, the head of the house would list all the children, living or dead, and when they were born. I have seen it happen before, where children have died in infancy, but still been recorded a few years later on the census...

In your case, the enumerator may not have paid any heed to it, or may even have worded his questions such that the head of the house put all the children on.

I hope this provides a possible explination

If you refer to the 2 cencuses you will see that the girls names vary from one to the other.I suspect a tired enumerator made an error on the one where the two names are the same.It is also not unusual for names to be used in the event of deaths,but not in this case I think.
Maurice

Hello Jo,

First, I can't thank everyone enough for all their help in locating my ancestors. Please know that it is much appreciated!!

About the same name for two children in one family.

I have run across this in my own family tree, the second child was named after the first child that had past away. Very uncommon practice for our time, but not sure about the past.

Gloria
(Again, I thank you all)

Year: 1864
Month: Jun
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: COOPER
Child_Forenames: Mary Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Griffith
Mothers_Forenames: Lucy
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: LIttle Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: John J Hedges
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Margin note Privately
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

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Year 1876
Month Jun
Day 7
Parents Surname COOPER
Child Forenames Gertrude Minnie
Fathers Forenames Griffith
Mothers Forenames Lucy
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruspudge
Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister G.A.Allan
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page Number 151
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Johns

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Year: 1862
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: COOPER
Grooms_Forenames: Griffith
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Littledean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: COOPER
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Anthony
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: DREW
Brides_Forenames: Lucy
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Littledean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: DREW
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Yeoman
Licence_or_Banns: By registrars ce
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Adams
Witness_2: Elizabeth Adams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John J. Hedges
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 110 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

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1841 Cinderford Iron Works
George Drew abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Drew abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Drew abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Drew abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Lucy Drew abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Drew abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Drew abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1841
James Smith abt 1816 Herefordshire, England Walford, Herefordshire
Amelia Smith abt 1816 Herefordshire, England Walford, Herefordshire

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Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Edgar Ernest
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Lucy
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Little Dean
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: John J Hedges
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Illegitimate daughter
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

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Hi
I have also been researching the Drew family in Littledean. Lucy Sarah Drew(b1835) is the sister of Charles Alfred Drew(b1853) who is my gg grandfather.
I belive their parents were George Drew(b1805 Littledean) and Mary Ann Chisholme(b1807 Cirencester. My trail goes dead after this.
Kind regards
Pete Thorpe

Hello,

I would love to connect with you about our family history. I sent you an e-mail, but not sure if you received it. My personal e-mail is: [Deleted by admin - see Posting Guidelines] Please contact me.

Gloria

I have a George Drew b.1805, I am looking for information re his parents,
I have two marrages for him, one to a Mary Cross 27th April 1828 Abenhall and another to Mary Ann Chisholme 7th March Staint Thomas, Salisbury.
Can anyone help with confirming if he was married to both or who he was married to and any info on his parents.

Thank you

Ruth

Sorry George was born in Little Dean 1805
I'm not sure whether he was married twice on not.

I have a George Drew b.1805, I am looking for information re his parents,
I have two marrages for him, one to a Mary Cross 27th April 1828 Abenhall and another to Mary Ann Chisholme 7th March Staint Thomas, Salisbury.
Can anyone help with confirming if he was married to both or who he was married to and any info on his parents.

Thank you

Ruth

Some more context might help - why you suspect he married twice - where he was living ( Abenhall and Salisbury are some way apart) - where he died - any children etc

1851
George Drew abt 1805 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Drew abt 1807 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy S Drew abt 1836 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Drew abt 1838 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean,
Elizabeth Drew abt 1840 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Drew abt 1842 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Drew abt 1847 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
John Drew abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

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i wonder if this is George DREW ?

Year 1805
Month Jun
Day 9
Parents Surname DEANE
Child Forenames George
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P1 IN 1/4
Page Number 3
Parish Chapel Abenhall

or if the year is incorrect and a late baptism....

Year 1812
Month Oct
Day 4
Parents Surname DREW
Child Forenames James
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Catherine
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister Henry Prowse Jones Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of Born 1812 Sep[tembe]r 20
Notes Not in BTs
Register Reference P110 IN 1/4
Page Number 19
Parish Chapel Littledean

or a sibling

Year: 1806
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Susanah
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

with these parents:-
Year: 1806
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial adjoining
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Catherine
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Extraparochial
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 15 22 & 29 December 1805
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Tingle
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Nichols
Other_Witnesses: Chas Rose
Officiating_Minister: Richd Wetherall (Curate)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

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