Cooper / East Dean / Broadmoor (General)
by admin 
, Forest of Dean, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 02:06 (6757 days ago)
Hello All
First post just like to say what a great web site this is, i have tried searching the forum and records but have not managed to find anything so here goes
my g/g grandfather Richard Cooper dob 27 aug 1853 BroadMoor East Dean
g/g/g grandfather was also Richard Cooper and was married to Ann Cooper maiden name Nelmes
Firstly just trying to find out where Broadmoor is/was
My g/g grandfather seems to have ended up in Snatchwood Trevethin(1881) Nr Pont y Pool with his brother Edwin as miners before his son (g/grandfather) Edgar Richard moved to Flintshire where he worked in the steelworks
I am hopingto visit the Forest of Dean in the summer to have a look around so any help advice gratefully received
Thanks
Stu
Cooper / East Dean / Broadmoors
Marriage Index. On the same page is Ann Cooper
Name Richard Aston
Year of Registration 1855
Quarter of Registration July/August/September
District Pontypool
County Gwent Monmouthshire
Volume 11a
Page 159
1861 Wales Census
Ann Aston abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Wife Trevethin Monmouthshire
Emma Aston abt 1844 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Trevethin Monmouthshire
George Aston abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
James Aston abt 1857 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
Jane Aston abt 1860 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trevethin Monmouthshire
Richard Aston abt 1808 Gloucestershire, England Head Trevethin Monmouthshire
Richard Aston abt 1842 Gloucestershire, England Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
Timothy Aston abt 1851 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
William Aston abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Son Trevethin Monmout
Edwin Cooper abt 1847 Gloucestershire, England Stepson Trevethin Monmouthshire
Richard Cooper abt 1854 Gloucestershire, England Stepson Trevethin
Monmouthshire
1871 England Census
Ann Cooper abt 1870 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Cooper abt 1847 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Maria Cooper abt 1851 Bristol, Somerset, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Cooper abt 1854 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Peddar abt 1816 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother-in-law West Dean Gloucestershire
1881 Wales Census
Abigail Cooper (1 month) Snatchwood, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Trevethin Monmouthshire
Arthur Cooper abt 1880 Snatchwood, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
Edgar Richd. Cooper abt 1878 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin Monmouthshire
Mary Cooper abt 1854 Pentwyn, Monmouth, Wales Wife Trevethin Monmouthshire
Richard Cooper abt 1854 Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Trevethin Monmouthshire
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Cooper / East Dean / Broadmoors
Thanks Bertha
thats pretty much what i have established apart from that Ann Remarried, so i presume(for now) Richard her husband died, their last son was born 1853 and she was remarried by 1855 and the only two richard coopers i can find on bmd between those dates died in Stratford upon avon and Shipston Upon Stour!
When the two brothers returned to West Dean i have the address as Shortstanding near a Public House called the New Inn?
any way thanks again and i'll keep looking
Broadmoor East Dean
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 06:55 (6755 days ago) @ scooper
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co-ords 364759,215183
Broadmoor is just north of Cinderford (nr Steam Mills)
and this is the Richard and Ann Cooper living there in
1851 Regulator (Broadmoor)
Richard Cooper abt 1818 Ex Parich Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Am Cooper abt 1823 Walford, Herefordshire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Ellice Cooper abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Cooper abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
1861
Richd Cooper abt 1818 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Cooper abt 1827 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin T Cooper abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane H Cooper abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Rebecca Cooper abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Cooper abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Cooper abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
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Richard COOPER 1827 Shortstanding
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 06:57 (6755 days ago) @ admin
1841 Shortstanding ?
Richard Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Harriet Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Hannah Cooper abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Henery Cooper abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Cooper abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
1851 Mirey
Richard Cooper abt 1828 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Cooper abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amelia Cooper abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Cooper abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Fanny Williams abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor West Dean Gloucestershire
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Ann Nelmes ?
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 06:58 (6755 days ago) @ admin
Difficult to pin down , at least 2 contenders and possible marriage reference
1841 Sinder Hill Ruardean
John Nelms abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
Sarah Nelms abt 1781 Ruardean Gloucestershire
Ann Nelms abt 1821 Ruardean Gloucestershire
Ishos {Thos} Nelms abt 1822 Ruardean Gloucestershire
1841 Mileend St Mitcheldean
Ann Nelms abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean Gloucestershire servant
Name: Ann Nelmes ??
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 635
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Ann Nelmes ?
by admin , Forest of Dean, Friday, May 19, 2006, 07:33 (6755 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks Slowhands
i did another search of the parish marriage records and found this
1845 COOPER Richard NELMES Anne Ruardean
in more detail it gives the parents names and occupations which is great as richards father was Nathaniel Cooper who i believe i have found on the 1841/1851/1871 census
From what i can make out is that Richard and Ann had two sons and maybe a daughter
i believe that the the sons of the Richard and Ann lived in Shortstanding in 1871 for a brief period before moving to south wales
thanks for the map link , i'm looking forward to paying the area a visit in the summer
possible confusion?
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 08:13 (6755 days ago) @ admin
I have a feeling that there are two familes being mixed up here.
a Lydbrook/Coleford family and a Cinderford/Littldean family
The Richard Cooper ,(1853 Broadmoor) does not appear with the likely family in 1861 - the family that is living in Broadmoor in 1851. the mother appears to be Ann Nelmes ex Walford/Ruardean. So does this Richard die before 1861 ?
However, the Richard Cooper ( 1854 Lydbrook) that links to Shortstanding seems to be the West Dean family and has a son Edwin 1847 ( in 1851 census).
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possible confusion?
confusion reigns!
according to the records Richard was born about 1854 the only one that shows up is a richard william cooper born 1853
i think i might send off for edwins birth certificate to see what details that provides
possible confusion?
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 09:11 (6755 days ago) @ scooper
only one that shows up
Shows up where - Free BMD, Full BMD or the non -conformist records ??
I think you might be benefit from Edwin's details :-)
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possible confusion?
LoL
on freebmd and on ancestry.co.uk
never mind at least it adds to the fun
will wait for birth certificate and ann coopers marriage certificate to arrive
thanks for your input, i'm off to hit the bottle!
stu
BMDs ?
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 12:53 (6755 days ago) @ scooper
From the real BMD ( hidden away in Ancestry)
Name: Edwin Cooper
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 94
Name: Richard Cooper
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22
a possible relative
Name: Rachel Cooper
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19
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Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, May 19, 2006, 13:04 (6755 days ago) @ slowhands
1841 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
Anne Cooper abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
William Cooper abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
1851 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1811 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Anne Cooper abt 1839 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Benjamin Cooper abt 1850 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1842 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Miles Cooper abt 1848 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Thomas Cooper abt 1845 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Name: Rachel Cooper
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19
1861 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1810 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Benjamin Cooper abt 1851 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1842 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Miles Cooper abt 1848 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Rachel Cooper abt 1855 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
1871
Rachel Cooper abt 1855 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Servant Abinghall Gloucestershire
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Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
Ok
edwins certificate has finally arrived
his father was Richard Cooper a Collier
his mother was Ann formerly Williams
Residence of Informant English Bicknor
i also received a copy of Ann Cooper's marriage certificate for when i believe she remarried to Richard Aston in 1855 which if this is the same Ann was a widow
her father was Joseph Williams and he was a Shoemaker
Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, June 07, 2006, 00:26 (6736 days ago) @ scooper
.. so that looks like Richard COOPER 1827 ( shortstanding / Mirey) as the father......
and a possible for Ann's parents
1841 Worcester Walk
Joseph William abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann William abt 1791 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Fanny William abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
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Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
yes certainly looks like it, i think i have found the record of their marriage in the parish records and Fanny williams who was a visitor in the 1851 census was also a witness at the wedding...
is mirey a parish?
btw thanks for your help slowhands
Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, June 07, 2006, 01:04 (6736 days ago) @ scooper
Mirey
I suspect we now know this place as Mireystock,, top of Lydbrook / Sallow Valets / Serridge.
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Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by shepway , Wednesday, June 07, 2006, 02:18 (6736 days ago) @ slowhands
Regret to say that it is not Mireystock. The family were living at The Mire in 1851. Here is description of Enumeration District:
All that part of the Township of West Dean comprising Joyford, Joyford Hill, The Lonk, Tomblins Ditch, The Mire, Speedwell Pit Hawthornes and Hawthornes Tump
Details of marriage between Richard COOPER and Ann WILLIAMS are available from transcription of Christchurch Parish Church registers on this website as follows:
Entry Number: 14
Year: 1846
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Groom Surname: COOPER
Groom Forenames: Richard
Groom Age at Marriage: full
Groom Condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Christchurch
Groom Father's Surname: Cooper
Groom Father's Forenames: Richard
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Collier
Bride Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides Forenames: Ann
Bride Age at Marriage: full
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: Servant
Bride Residence: Township of West Dean
Bride Father's surname: Williams
Bride Father's Forenames: Joseph
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Shoemaker
Licence or Banns: [not stated]
Dates of Banns:
Siganture or Mark: He marks, she signs
Witness 1: Mark of Thomas Ruck
Witness 2: Mark of Eliza Grindall
Other witnesses: Mark of George Tomlins; Fanny Williams
Officiating Minister: Richard Davies, Rector of Staunton, Off. Min.
Event Type: M
Memoranda: -
Transcriber's Notes: -
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page Number: 7
Parish/Chapel Name: Christchurch, Forest of Dean
Mike
Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, June 07, 2006, 07:42 (6736 days ago) @ shepway
.. not too far away then MG !
Sallow Vallets enclosure is adjacent to the Hawthorns end of the enumeration district :-)
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Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by shepway , Wednesday, June 07, 2006, 08:59 (6736 days ago) @ slowhands
I know it well.
Mike
Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
can't seem to find and record of Richard Cooper's death last child born 1854 and Ann remarried in 1855 any suggestions?
Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford
by shepway , Thursday, June 08, 2006, 04:21 (6735 days ago) @ scooper
I have checked Christchurch Burial Registers from 1851 to 1855 and Richard is not listed.
Mike