Hi

Looking for information relating to the Hale family that lived at the Pludds (Ploods - sic) during the 18th / 19th / 20th Century. Also looking for information relating to the Bennett family (William Hale(b 1854) married Teresa Bennett (b1861) in NailBridge. Both were my great grandparents.

Also information requested on Gammond and Lamb family in the Hewelsfield area for the 19th Century. The Lamb family owned Harthill Grange and the surrounding farms.

Many Thanks

The Pludds ( and Horsley Hill, High Beech, Lydbrook)

In 1871 William and his Family at High Beech, Lydbrook

Amos Hale 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline Hale 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Hale 41 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Hale 14 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hale 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Hale 12 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Moses Hale 4 months East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Hale 16 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Hale 41 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
William Hale 17 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

In 1851 I suspect this is his father and grandparents

HALE William 40 Coal Miner East Dean
Abiah 39 Ruardean
William 21 Coal Miner Ruardean
Moses 18 Coal Miner Lydbrook
Elizabeth 17 Scholar Hausley
Mary 14 Assistant at home Hausley
Isaac 12 Scholar Hausley
Tom 9 Scholar Hausley
Abiah 11m Hausley

Many thanks slowhands - this confirms my suspicions - now on to the previous generations

Thanks again

Karl

1901

Edmond Hale 49 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hale 48 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Eva J Hale 19 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Hubert Hale 17 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Kathleen Hale 8 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

Source information: RG13/2419
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: East Dean
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Folio: 114
Page: 5
Household schedule number: 20

1891- looks like Drybrook/Ruardean on the census sheet
Hale, Edmund 39 East Dean, Gloucestershire Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Eliza 38 East Dean, Gloucestershire Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Eva J 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Hubert 7 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Joseph 57 East Dean, Gloucestershire Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Joseph 27 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Source information: RG12/2004
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Folio: 135
Page: 4

In 1881
Edmond Hale abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Edmond Hale abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Eliza Hale abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Jane Hale abt 1805 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother Westbury On Severn - East Dean

Address: Aston Bridge
Civil parish: Westbury On Severn - East Dean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Source information: RG11/2522
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Folio: 21
Page: 4

1871 The Pludds !

Edmund Hale 19 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Hale 64 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire

Source information: RG10/2598
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Folio: 21
Page: 6
Household schedule number: 28

1851 East Dean

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HALE Edmund 45 Coal Miner East Dean
Jane 44 Ruardean
Eliza 20 East Dean
Joseph 17 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 14 Scholar East Dean
John 12 Scholar East Dean
Mary 10 Scholar East Dean
Isaac 7 East Dean
Jane 3 Scholar East Dean

Good chance this is Willaim Hale's (1811) elder brother

Edmund Hale b.1804 who married Jane Duberley (b1805) in 1829 was Joseph 1776-1833 and Mary Baldwin's son. They had 5 children Edmund, Mary, Milsom, Ann and Nehemiah that i know of.

Edmund and Jane had 8 children, one of whom was called Edmund b.1852 d.1926 He married Eliza b.1853 and i think had 3 children perhaps 4, one of whom was also called Edmund b.1877 d.1951 he emigrated to New Zealand.

Edmund and Jane's and Edmund b1852 gravestones are in Ruardean churchyard.

Hello,

I have been following this thread with interest as an elderly neighbour of mine is a daughter of Thomas Hale from High Beech. I have spoken to her today and she confirms what she has told me before about her family and that she would like to know more about them. If you think there is a connection please be in touch, "Veda" will be delighted.

Here is what info I have

Tom Hale
1 TOM
2 Alan
3 Johnny
4 Laura
5 Charlotte.

TOM married Caroline (from a Cornish family who had come to the Forest)
They went to Illinois
1 Albert was born in USA
Then Toms father died, and so Tom the eldest son, his pregnant wife Caroline and their son Albert, came back as TOM had inherited the property.
Later children were
2 Frank
3 George
4 Elveda Dolores Caroline (there a story to this name)
5 Joan
6 Joseph
7 John (died as a baby)
8 Frank.

They were a mining family.

I have noticed that some of these names occur elsewhere in the "thread" and if you think there is a connection I will ask Veda for some dates. Veda, who is in her eighties now, knows my hobby is genealogy and has often spoken of both her father's family from High Beech and her mother's family from Truro.

May

in the 1920 US census there is a Caroline Hale in Illonois, she arrived in 1912 ( she was born in 1855) which seems a tad past child bearing age !

a few more dates might help !

Thank you for your interest,

I believe there may be a link here. Whilst I can't confirm any dates until I see Veda again I have worked it back thus

From memory, Elveda Dolores Caroline was born about 1917.

It was her parents who went to Illonois (1912?), had one child there and returned to UK soon after Tom 's father died (in UK). They then had more children, including Veda, born here.

Veda's father was Tom Hale and so was his father. I will enquire about others who went to Illonois at this time, as she has said in the past that she may have relatives (long lost) still in America, and get back to you. Maybe some stayed behind.

Hello again,

I have been to see Veda again today and we have made the connection with your William Hale (1871 census )

William's brother Tom was born 1855 and he is Veda's ancestor thus-

1901 census High Beech Lodge Civil Parish of East Dean
Thomas Hale Head Coal Miner age 46 b Gloucester(shire?)
Martha Wife 42 b Monmouth
Thomas Son 16 Coal miner b Glos Pludds
Frank Son 14 Coal miner b Glos Pludds
Leonard Son 12 - b Glos Pludds
Laura H. Dau 9 - b Glos Pludds
Allen Son 6 - b Glos Pludds
Johnathan Son 4 - b Glos Pludds
Albert Son 6M - b Glos Pludds.

It is Thomas the eldest son in this family (b 1885) that is Veda's father.
He went to Illinois, where he met and married Olga Maud from Truro Cornwall. Their eldest son Albert was born in America and then Toms father died and the family had to return to the Forest as there was property left to them. When they came home they swapped houses with a family called Eddy who wished to emigrate to USA and this is how they came to be at Joys Green which is another village between Lydbrook and High Beech, Hawsley and The Pludds.

I started her off talking about one of the the names on the 1871 census and she then started to "rattle off" some of the other names and what happened to them -
"Aunty Caroline married a Morgan and they built a big house on Rocks Road Joys Green - its now a shop" and the village Post Office.
"Aunty Charlotte married a Stephens and they lived down the Lime Kilns on Forge Hill. They had two boys Will and Lewis"

It is quite usual for older generation female relatives to be called Auntie even though they are probably Great Aunts. We don't stand on ceremony too much in the Forest.

I mentioned the other Hales on the 1901 census (re message from Slowhands) and she did remember a Kathleen Hale " but she didn't go to Joys Green School. She thinks that family were from Timber Tump (another hamlet in the same area) and mentioned another daughter Merris (or is it spelt Merys) and a son Mostyn Hale.

Then Veda started talking about her brothers and sisters, but I'll leave that for now.

Veda was born 1919 and is a lovely lady to talk to. You wouldn't guess she is 86, she certainly doesn't look it and has a very lively mind. I have some digging to do now as she wants to know about the property that was inherited. Perhaps I'll take her to the Record Office one day - she would enjoy that. I could certainly take her to High Beech House(Lodge) as the present owners are friends of mine.

Hope this is of some interest and use to you.

May

1901 nr High Beech Lodge
Albert Hale 6 months Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Allen Hale 6 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Hale 14 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
John Athas Hale 4 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Laura H Hale 9 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Leonard Hale 12 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Martha Hale 42 Monmouth, Wales Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Hale 46 Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Hale 16 Pludds, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1891
Hale, Charlotte 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Frank 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Leonard 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Martha 32 Mon, Lichall Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Thomas 36 Ross, Herefordshire Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Tom 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Pludds Court
Martha Hale abt 1859 Foxhall, Monmouth, Wales Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Thomas Hale abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean

In 1871 William and his Family at High Beech, Lydbrook

Amos Hale 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline Hale 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Hale 41 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Hale 14 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hale 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Hale 12 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Moses Hale 4 months East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Hale 16 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Hale 41 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
William Hale 17 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

In 1851 I suspect this is his father and grandparents

HALE William 40 Coal Miner East Dean
Abiah 39 Ruardean
William 21 Coal Miner Ruardean
Moses 18 Coal Miner Lydbrook
Elizabeth 17 Scholar Hausley
Mary 14 Assistant at home Hausley
Isaac 12 Scholar Hausley
Tom 9 Scholar Hausley
Abiah 11m Hausley

Both

Sorry I haven't replied, I have been away.

Thanks to you both, I have a lot of related Hale information and I am pulling it all together in a tree at the moment. I'll let you know as soon as this is done and will send it to you.

So far, it looks like most of the information is correct. I need to confirm that Edmund was the brother of my William Hale, but it does seem to fit at the moment.

Slowhands, I was thinking of subscribing to Ancestry.com - any advice on the best of the geneology sites ?

I am also working on a Bennett (Walford) / Hale (Ruardean) / Gammond connection

Best Regards

Karl

Hi Karl,

Have you written to Janet Cook - she is also researching Bennetts in Ruardean/Pludds areas. She has an enquiry further down the Forest of Dean message pages. I have been writing to her as there is a link from her Bennet family to my husbands family at The Pludds, Ruardean.

Some counties including Herefordshire (for Walford and Bishopswood) have the National Burial Index online and you might glean some info there. I know there are Bennetts in both those churchyards from my own research.

Back to the Hales now for Veda, I have a photo of the ship that Tom Hale went to America on in 1904 for her and the other details from the ships manifest.

Good luck, keep in touch with your progress, and I'll write if I notice anything locally that may be useful to you if you like.

Bye, May

Hi May

I have been in contact with Janet, but at the moment, it looks like a different line of Bennetts. Mine came from the Walford area, and Slowhands was kind enough to do a census search which opened up a whole new line of enquiry.

I am working on the assumption that the Bennetts in the Walford area were related, and will be visiting the churches there over the next few weeks to confirm some things.

When you next talk to Veda, would you mention the names Lillian, Charlotte (Lottie) Eva (died 1904) and Andrew Hale to see if she remembers anything about them. Andrew was adopted by the Lamb family at Harthill Grange in Hewelsfield. They lived at the Pludds, and then moved to (I believe) Stroud. She may also remember their father William Hale, who died in the early 1930's.
Lillian went to live in Bristol and died in the 1980's.

Thanks for your interest and help

Best Regards

Karl

Hello Karl,

I have had a word with Veda but nothing new yet. She is thinking about it though. She is still excited because I took her a picture of the ship her father and grandfather sailed to America in, in 1904.

Re- Walford (Bennetts) The late 19C burials have been transcribed and I have access to a copy of that if it may be useful. I also have plan of Walford churchyard before all the old stones were moved.

May

Hi May

Thank you for taking the time and trouble. I am going to Walford in a few weeks; it would be great if could let me have the information about the churchyard.

Thanks again

Karl

Hi Karl,

the MIs are 25 pages and the churchyard plan is A3.
However, there are 10 Bennetts listed in the Churchyard plot refs.

The transcription I have is 1895 - 1944 and there is only one Bennett in that - Katharine Gladys Bennett of Walford Court died March 4th 1908 age 19.

Might be easier if I pop down to Walford when you are there with the print out.

Meanwhile, I will try to extract some relevant info from the MI's for you, and send that as soon as I get half a chance.

May

I have a Nehemiah hale in my tree, born 1829 who married Hannah herbert b. 1837. They married Ruardean 1849 and have 6 children.

The Jane who married Edmund Hale b. 1804 was Jane dubberley, baptised Ruardean 8.6.1806, they married Ruardean 7.11.1829. she daughter of John Dubberley baptised Ruardean 5.11.1780 died 28.5.1827 buried Ruardean 30.5.1827 & Jane Bennett born 1775 buried Ruardean 28.10.1852. Jane had 3 siblings, including William 1818/1825 dates available, Fanny born 27.8.1811 baptised Ruardean 27.10.1811, she married Richard Read born 1814 Dudley Staffs - they had 9 children - details of all available. Janes other sibling John baptised Ruardean 26.6.1808 buried Ruardean 6.4.1862 married Mary Harper born 1812 buried Ruardean 15.10.1860. They had 6 children - details of all available, my connection is with William baptised Ruardean 21.6.1840 died 24.12.1894 buried Ruardean 27.12.1894 who married Ellen Brain baptised 17.6.1836 Ruardean. They had 8 children including Joseph born 1866 who married Elizabeth Ann Merrick Marfellborn 1866 - my main interest is the Marfell Family. John Dubberley & Mary Harper also had a son Miles born 20.8.1853 who married Ellen Harper born 19.8.1852 who was the daughter of Richard Harper and Mary Marfell.