John SELBY and Jane DARBY

Hi,
I am looking for info on my great great great grandparents.
John SELBY and Jane DARBY.
John SELBY was born in abt 1780 in Wales UK. He married Jane DARBY.
I am not sure of her birth etc, or their marraige date. John Died in Glebe, NSW, Australia on the 24 Aug 1890. I am not sure if he was a convict or free settler, or wheather he came out before his son Meshack or not.

I have one of John and Jane's children so far.
His name was Meshack SELBY born on the 9 Jan 1822 in Oakwoodhill, Forest of Dean. He married Martha JAMES in May 1848 at the church of ST Paul in Park End, Forest Of Dean. His occupation was a stone Mason.

He migrated to Australia with his wife and 2 eldest children Martha and Paul arriving in Australia on the 15 Aug 1855 on board the ship "Startled Fawn"
He died on the 7 Aug 1880 in Stanmore, NSW, Australia.
Any help on John SELBY or Jane DARBY would be greatly appriciated.

Regards Vicki

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From GFHS Marriage Index:
16 June 1816 John SILBY married Jane DARBY by Banns at Hewesfield.

From IGI:
5 July 1789 Jane DARBY baptised at Hewesfield. Parents James DARBY and Rachel

1851 Census (GFHS transcription)
The whole of the Parish of Hewelsfield including that part formerly called Brockweir Common
2443 0620 036 Hewelsfield SELBY John HD M 55 Labourer WIL Parrish by [Sic]
2443 0620 036 Hewelsfield SELBY Jane WI M 60 Labourer's Wife GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0620 036 Hewelsfield SELBY John SO U 21 Mason GLS Hewelsfield

All that part of the Township of West Dean which comprises Saunders Green, Dark Hole, Bream Wood Side, Sun Green, Mill Hill, Oakwood Mill, Shutcastle Inclosure, Breams Eaves
2444 0235 051 Hang Hill SELBY Meshach HD M 29 Quarryman GLS Hewelsfield
2444 0235 051 Hang Hill SELBY Martha WI M 22 - GLS West Dean

Possible connections from 1851 Census:
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY ShadrachHD M 36 Mason GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY Sarah WI M 35 Wife GLS St.Breavials [St.Briavels]
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY Emma DA - 6 Daur GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY Morris SO - 4 Son GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY Elizabeth DA - 2 Daur GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY Enack SO - 4M Son GLS Hewelsfield
2443 0623 070 Hewelsfield SELBY George VR - 11 Mason Labours Boy GLS Hewelsfield

2443 0446 016 Stoulgrove House BEDFORD James HD W 63 Bt. Major Retired Bengal+ MDX Acton Common
2443 0446 016 Stoulgrove House BEDFORD Jane Helen DA U 21 At Home - East Indies
2443 0446 016 Stoulgrove House SELBY Emma SV U 26 Cook GLS Hewersfield [Hewelsfield]
2443 0446 016 Stoulgrove House MURPHY Ellen SV U 26 Housemaid SRY Southwark St.Georges

Mike

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Shadrach SELBY and family in 1881:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Shadrack SELBY Head W Male 64 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England Stone Mason
Enoch SELBY Son M Male 30 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England Stone Mason
Ann SELBY Daur In Law M Female 29 St Briavels, Gloucester, England Stone Masons Wife
George Maurice SELBY Grandson Male 5 Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Emma Elizth. SELBY Grandaur Female 3 Llantrissant, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Bertha Fanny SELBY Gr Daur Female 1 Llantrissant, Glamorgan, Wales
George THOMAS Servt Male 14 St Briavels, Gloucester, England Apprentice To Mason

Source Information:
Dwelling Brockweir Common
Census Place Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England
Family History Library Film 1342258
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5221 / 37
Page Number 10

John SELBY (son of John and Jane) and family in 1881:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SELBY Head M Male 51 Hewsfield, Gloucester, England Mason
Emily SELBY Wife M Female 51 Newland, Gloucester, England
Ellen SELBY Dau U Female 24 West Dean, Gloucester, England Domestic Serv Out Of Situation
John SELBY Son U Male 18 West Dean, Gloucester, England Coal Miner
Shadrach SELBY Son U Male 16 West Dean, Gloucester, England Iron Miner
Meshach SELBY Son Male 14 West Dean, Gloucester, England Iron Miner
Abendego SELBY Son Male 10 West Dean, Gloucester, England Scholar
Emily SELBY Dau Female 3 West Dean, Gloucester, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Ellwood
Census Place West Dean, Gloucester, England
Family History Library Film 1342259
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5224 / 117
Page Number 2

Mike

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hi mike
just came upon this site
i have a john selby and jane darby in my tree from hewelsfield and buried in clearwell church, they had a son named john who married emily williams and had many children one of whom one was my great grandad meshach selby here are some of the names of his siblings:-- ellen, john,shadrach,abednigo,jane,lydia,ann,and emily and i belived there were a few that died quite young..i think this sounds like the same family
carol

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as transcribed ! and remember the age rounding effect

< keeping up the Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego tradition >

Source information: HO107/365/7
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Lydney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Folio: 20
Page: 7

1841
Jane Lebey abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Abedneygo Lebey abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Jane Lebey abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
John Lebey abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mespack Lebey abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

Source information: HO107/365/7
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Lydney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Folio: 4
Page: 2

1841
John Selly abt 1796 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Hannah Rossel abt 1801 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

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1861 Shipwright in Portsmouth
Abedriego Selby abt 1827 Heurelefield, Gloucestershire, England Head Portsea Hampshire
Jane Selby abt 1832 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Portsea Hampshire
Abednego Selby abt 1855 Cowes E Wr, Hampshire, England Son Portsea Hampshire
Albert Ernest Selby abt 1859 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Portsea Hampshire
Jane Lydia Selby abt 1852 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Portsea Hampshire

1871
Abednego Selby abt 1853 Cowes West, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Vessels Royal Navy
Albert E. Selby abt 1860 Portsea, Hampshire, England Vessels Royal Navy

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1841
Wm Darby abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Darby abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Eliza Darby abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Wm Darby abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

Hannah Darby abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Harriett Darby abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

Peter Darby abt 1801 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Margret Darby abt 1806 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Margret Darby abt 1839 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mariah Darby abt 1840 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Cecil Darby abt 1831 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mahala Darby abt 1836 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Thurza Darby abt 1836 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

John Darby abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Susan Darby abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

Thomas Darby abt 1816 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

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JAMES DARBY
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Marriages:
Spouse: RACHEL LEWIS
Marriage: 01 FEB 1787 Woolaston, Gloucester, England

JAMES DARBY
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 AUG 1791 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES DARBY
Mother: RACHEL
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C029191 1742 - 1812 0425439 Film 6911737 Film
Sheet: 00

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re Jane Darby daughter of James Darby and Rachel

Woolaston

1 Feb 1787 James Darby x married Rachel Lewis x widow
witnesses James Bird and Edmond Hoskins

18 June 1768 James Lewis x of Alvington married Rachel Hoskins x
witnesses John Davies and Richard Allin

baptism 4 Sep 1746 Rachel d.of Edmond & Elizsabeth Hoskin of Tidenham
baptism 8 Dec 1751 Elizabeth
baptism 5 Apr 1754 Hannah
baptism 29 Feb 1756 Edmond [burial 20 March 1758]
baptism 1 April 1759 John
baptism 24 May 1761 Sarah
baptism 30 Oct 1763 Mary [burial 4 April 1765]
baptism 26 Dec 1766 Sofier

[burial 8 Oct 1788 Elizabeth the wife of Edmond Hoskins
burial 28 Nov 1790 Edmund Hoskins a pauper]

Tidenham

baptism 27 Dec 1724 Edmund son of John Hoskins

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Re James Lewis married Rachel Hoskin 1768,
Woolaston

Rachel was alive until 30/04/1836,when she died in Woolaston aged 87 years.

She and James Lewis had several children , the last two being: -

Walter (born 1788)
and
Benjamin (born 1791)

She and James Lewis are my GGG grandparents, through a further son, Joseph(b 1783)

I have a copy of her will, dated 1832 and executed after her death in 1836.

Her name is still given as Rachel Lewis at this time, suggesting she did not remarry.

The only beneficiaries of the will are four of her surviving Lewis sons.

In view of the dates of birth of the youngest sons, and the above info from the will and death registers, it seems unlikely - despite the coincidence of both the name and the presence of an Edmund Hoskin as a witness at the later marriage - that she is therefore the same Rachel Lewis who married James Derby in 1787.

Hope this helps your research

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hi vicky
carol roberts here, sheila selby gave me the info on this site she also forwarded a photo of you to me, and everyone i have shown it to says you look just like my cousin tracy, my mother is trying to get me a photo so that i can compare and forward it to you if that's ok?
just as long as you are not confused
my gr gr gr grandparents were john and jane derby from hewelsfield in forest of dean as i understand it your meshach was the brother of my great great grandad
john selby who obviously named my great grandad meshach the younger after him.
It's nice to know there are plenty of selby's out there to keep the family name going
my gr gr grandparent john and emily moved to wales for work and that's where we have all stayed
I took a trip up to hewelsfield a few months ago, vicky it's just gorgeous a small hamlet with about 20 buildings, next time i go there i am going to be cheeky and knock on a few doors just to see if any of the selby family remain there
hope you dont mind me writing to you
carol

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Hello.
just come across your posting for John selby and Jane Darby, they were my GGGrandparents, John my GGrandfather, Meshack, my Grandfather.
I have writen this at least Three times, and keep losing it, so if it is allowed, you can contact me on, marton@charlesanthony.freeserve.co.uk,where I have much more info on the selby family
yours charles

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hi there
sorry i haven't got back to you just had an e.mail from sheila and she said that you have been trying to get in touch.
If meshak was you grandfather and my mothers grandfather then you must be cousins who is (was) your father was it uncle tommy ?
loking forward to hearing from you
carol

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hello there
who was uncle tommy ?.
my dad was wlliam oliver, uncle will to your mother, iknew your grand mother very well, and of course , I know your mother, and aunty ann, grand father fred fred,all of your aunts and uncles, cousins, and you know my sister joan
regards tony selby

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Hi Tony
Sorry got a bit mixed up ,with uncle Tommy wrong side of the family.
I saw auntie joan in tesco's a few months ago she doesn't change a bit.
Mammy tells me you have been researching the selby tree,as I have!!We took her up to Hewersfield last summmer and had a look around the graveyard ! It's such a pretty little hamlet,what a lovely life our ancestors had must have growing up there !!
Do you still live in Ton? I live near Aberaeron in West Wales .
I have really enjoyed researching the family tree, and what a family ,I am in regular contact with Vicky in Australia.
I would love to hear from you again ,so that I can report back to my mother.
Take care
Carol

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i am going to be cheeky and knock on a few doors just to see if any of the selby family

You might have to travel to Sling and Bream to find them - check the BT phone directory !

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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The last Selby to live in Hewelsfield was Ruth Selby Brookes who died in 2004 after moving to Lydney. One of her daughters lives in Lydbrook. Ruth was the daughter of George Maurice Selby who built the Mackenzie Hall in Brockweir. She was my husband's aunt - George was his grandfather.

Carol does know there are no "doors to knock on" there as I have sent her a pretty comprehensive Selby family history although next time in Lydbrook I will be looking in the telephone directory for any Selbys in Bream and Sling. No doubt they are descendents of John Selby (1830)as it was his family that moved to the Ellwood area of the Forest. John was the brother of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Shadrach stayed in the Hewelsfield area, Meshach went to Australia and Abednego was a shipwright in Portsea and South Wales.

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Hello

I've just picked up this thread by chance and I thought I'd throw some info in.

I'm David Selby, son of Peter Selby, son of Joseph Shadrach Selby, who is son of Shadrach Selby which is referred to here, brothers with Meshack and Abendigo. I always remember their names because they are amazing.

As far as I am aware we were the last of the Selbys in the area, my Gran, Dorothy, moved away about 10/15 years ago and had now passed away (6 years ago).

Of course I could be wrong!

Always good to hear from more Selbys out there, sounds like there's a few cousins out there!

When I say area I mean Lydney/Bream/Clearwell/St Briavels.. Not Wales.

I just found out I'm part Welsh.

Dave

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Hello

As far as I am aware we were the last of the Selbys in the area, my Gran, Dorothy, moved away about 10/15 years ago and had now passed away (6 years ago).

Of course I could be wrong!

Dave

There is at least one SELBY listed in the BT directory in Bream/Lydney :-)

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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My Dad's cousin Linda and her husband Dave live in Bream still, they're not Selby's by name.

This Selby could be an unknown relation!

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