I have traced Thomas and Mary Morgan and their son, Joseph, in the 1841 census. They are shown as living in the Forest of Dean, Bradley Hill, "Extra Parochial".

Can you suggest the most likely parish they may used for their marriage and baptism of Joseph?
I have checked the Westbury film, where Joseph was married, but no other references.

Thanks,

Mark Tucker

Bradley Hill

Nr to Ayleford and Lower Soudley

so....

1841

Source information: HO107/364/5
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Page: 3

Thomas Morgan abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Marcy Morgan abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Joseph Morgan abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Morgan abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

for the baptism

Cinderford - St Johns, Newnham, Parkend and Blakeney are possible registers to look in, and then the non-conformist dimension to consider :-)

for the marriage

Mary is listed as born East Dean on later census data, so "any" East Dean Parish for her parents and wedding...

From GFHS Marriage Index:

11 October 1835 Thomas MORGAN of Hundred of St Briavels married Mary Ann WOOD of Hundred of St Briavels by Banns at Abenhall

1851 Census:
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN Thomas HD M 35 Quarryman GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN Mary WI M 30 - GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN Joseph SO - 14 Quarryman GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN Thomas SO - 11 Quarryman GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN George SO - 7 - (Deaf & Dumb) GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN William SO - 4 - GLS East Dean
1959 0313 021 Bradley Hill MORGAN John SO - 10M - GLS East Dean

Next household and possible parents:
1959 0313 022 Bradley Hill MORGAN Thomas HD M 59 Quarryman GLS Awre
1959 0313 022 Bradley Hill MORGAN Elizabeth WI M 83 - MON Tintern Abbey
1959 0313 022 Bradley Hill MORGAN George HD M 33 Quarryman GLS East Dean
1959 0313 022 Bradley Hill MORGAN Mary WI M 26 - GLS Awre
1959 0313 022 Bradley Hill MORGAN James SO - 2M - GLS East Dean

Joseph's brother Thomas was baptised at Newnham:

Entry Number: 43
Year: 1839
Month: Jun
Day: 23
Parents Surname: MORGAN
Child's Forenames: Thomas
Father's Forenames: Thomas
Mother's Forename: Mary Ann
Mother's Surname (if different):
Place of Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Occupation Labourer
Minister: J Parsons
Type of Event: C
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Ref: P228 IN 1/9
Page Number: 6
Parish: Newnham

Suggest you look there.

Mike

1841 Plump Hill ( nr Abenhall)

Source information: HO107/364/6
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Folio: 6
Page: 7

George Wood abt 1814 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Hannah Wood abt 1812 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Jonathan Wood abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Lea Bailey
George Wood abt 1813 Gatton, Herefordshire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Wood abt 1811 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
George Wood abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Wood abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Jonathan Wood abt 1840 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Wood abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Wood abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

Yes, Joseph Morgan is connected to my family.

1841 Census

Thomas 25
Mary 25
Joseph 4
Thomas 2

1871 Census

Joseph 32
Selina 28
Thomas 11
James 9
Joseph 7
Henry 5
Richard 1

1881 Census

Joseph 40
Selina 37
James 17
Joseph 16
Emily 14
Clara 9
Samuel 6
Rosabella 3
Agnes 2

1891 Census

Joseph 50
Selina 45
Rosa 14
Samuel 17
Agnes 4
Lily? 7

Rosabella 1877 - 1966 (She's buried in Swindon Cemetry)married my grandfathers brother Henry Griffiths 1873 - 1950. There are plenty of descendants now living. She was a striking and very attractive looking woman, also a formidable character. My cousin still shakes at the thought of her, his grandmother. I have seen many photographs of her but do not own any. Henry and Rose were last owners of our family house 'Rock House' on Bradley Hill up until c1925. The Morgan's lived close by on Bradley Hill. I have seen pics. from 1920's but not such that I could identify the house. The 1910 Tax Map and Owners/Occupiers list would identify.

Joseph was born 1839 and died in 1907. He's buried in St Johns, Cinderford Entry No 1112. 26 Jan 1907. Selina 1848 - 1913 , also St Johns Entry 1535, died Abertillery, buried 3 March 1913 65 Years.

Roger

Oh by the way. I have seen a pic. of Selina in old age.

Roger

Hi Roger,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my request for information.

I am doing the research for my partner who is the grand daughter of Samuel Morgan, "your" Rosabella's brother.

One of your members suggested I check the Newnham registers for Joseph's baptism as his brother Thomas was baptised there. As far as I can trace, the LDS have not filmed these registers. Do you have any suggestions?

I note that you have seen a photo of Selina in old age - do you have it, or know who does?

It might be of interest to you to know that Samuel Morgan married Beatrice Mary Lucas in St Johns East Dean on 25 December 1895. Beatrice's mother, Eliza Lucas a widow, married Samuel's older brother Thomas. Both families moved to the Rhondda in the 1890s.

Thanks again,

Mark Tucker

Hello Mark,

As my paternal family was rather large in the 19th Century, I tend to end for example with Henry Griffiths married Rosabella Sarah Morgan with dates. I don't usually follow female lines.

In this case I know some more because I am in contact with my cousin, Rose's grandson through marriage, and seen his collection of photographs which I think includes the one of Selina Morgan. He currently has another large collection from another cousin and intends to put some in the Soudley gallery here. I will ask my cousin.

I can't really help with parishes frequented. My family used Newland (including Coleford and Clearwell Chapels which were out stations of Newland) when in West Dean, and then Newnham after moving to East Dean, then Cinderford after 1845. I think a visit or two to Gloucester County Records could yield what you are looking for, if armed with a map of Gloucestershire Parishes. They only charge a couple of quid for entry.

From my previous Post, please ignore the comment about 1910 Tax Map. Selina had probably moved out since her husband had died in 1907.I may well have already looked, but that was 10 years ago or more.

Regards,

Roger

Hello Again Mark,

I have arranged a meeting with my cousin for the 16th. I'll see what I can do for you.

Roger