Little Dean Petty Sessions (General)
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 21:12 (3567 days ago)
Can anyone help or confirm about a hearing on 29th May 1886 regarding maintenance for a child Conrad Malson?
Perhaps a newspaper cutting.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 21:53 (3567 days ago) @ DavidHankey
Hi David,
did you find that article by free-searching the BNA website ?. I ask as I cannot find it yet on the BNA site, perhaps it's spelt differently ?
However I do find this;
Gloucestershire Chronicle - Saturday 03 August 1889
"Littledean Petty Sessions
Eliza Malson, Elizabeth Malson, Maria Phillips, and Maria Harris, married women, of Cinderford, were fined 1s. each, and ordered to pay damages 2s. 6d. and costs, for breaking down Crown timber at Haywood."
From this site's PRs, as you'll know Conrad and his mother were clearly living a hard life;
Record_ID: 16323
Entry_Number: 1385
Year: 1885
Month: Oct
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: MILSON
Child_Forenames: Conrad
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Nailbridge
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: F.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 174
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: M425
I see from Ancestry he bravely gave his life for his country, if you havn't already got his WW1 Records I can happily supply, but no newspaper records though;
Name: Conrad Malson
Birth Place: Drybrook, Glos
Death Date: 11 Sep 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Putney, London
Rank: Private
Regiment: Gloucestershire Regiment
Battalion: 10th (Service) Battalion
Regimental Number: 23644
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre.
See http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/171715/MALSON,%20C
Conrad lies at St Sever Cemetery, Rouen, France;
"During the First World War, Commonwealth camps and hospitals were stationed on the southern outskirts of Rouen. A base supply depot and the 3rd Echelon of General Headquarters were also established in the city.
Almost all of the hospitals at Rouen remained there for practically the whole of the war. They included eight general, five stationary, one British Red Cross, one labour hospital, and No. 2 Convalescent Depot. A number of the dead from these hospitals were buried in other cemeteries, but the great majority were taken to the city cemetery of St. Sever. In September 1916, it was found necessary to begin an extension.
St. Sever Cemetery contains 3,082 Commonwealth burials of the First World War. There is also 1 French burial and 1 non war service burial here."
There is only one MALSON currently in this site's WW1 Servicemen database, looks a different man as below, so please could Admin consider adding Conrad ?;
Surname: MALSON
Forename: H
Rank: Private
Regiment: 13th (Forest of Dean) Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment
Service_Number: _
Residence: _
Notes_1: Enlisted 24_January_1915 _ _
Notes_2: _
Newspaper: _
Date_Published: _
Image: _
Soundex: M425
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Could this be his mother before Conrad was born ?, from the Welsh newspapers site;
CARDIFF TIMES of 1st June 1878
"LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS.
IMPUDENT THEFT OF BUTTER.—Elizabeth and David Malson, mother and boy, residing at Cinderford, were charged with stealing half a Ib of butter, value 7d the property of Edwin Long. The parties called at Mr Long's shop and asked for relief, representing that they were in great distress owing to the stoppage of works in the neighbourhood of Cinderford. Mrs Long left the shop to get them food, and meanwhile they "lifted" the butter. It was missed on their leaving the shop. Sergeant Swatton, who was sent in pursuit, found the butter in the woman's possession. She had also a basket of provisions - bread, butter, cheese, &c.—weighing 17 Ibs. The justices sent prisoner to gaol for two months."
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3388963/ART31/malson%20dean
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:29 (3567 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi Jeff,
I hadn't come across this particular case of theft before and my guess is this is a different branch of the Malson family, however, many thanks for your reply.
Regards, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions, 1889 wood theft
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, March 01, 2015, 00:31 (3567 days ago) @ DavidHankey
Hi David, you're welcome.
It looks like the same family group to me, clearly they were enduring very hard times, struggling to get food or firewood. Looking at some of the original PRs entries on Ancestry, very easy to see why the handwritten Malson, Melson and Milson have been mistranscribed as well as mis-recorded, but not MalsoMs etc.
Looking thro the PRs shows Elizabeth is an oft-used Milson/Melson/Malson name, but I can only find one David; his parents' details seem correct, here are his family's Baptisms;
Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1861 MALSON David, George & Elizabeth, Hawthorns, Mason, Drybrook
1864 MALSON Levi, George & Elizabeth, Hawthorns, Stone Mason, Drybrook
1866 MALSON Eliza, George & EZ, The Hawthorns, Mason, Drybrook,
1868 MALSON Elizabeth, George & Elizabeth, Drybrook Mason, Drybrook
1876 MALSON Mark Edward, George & Elizabeth, The Morse, Stone Mason, Drybrook
So David born 1861, so aged 15 when described as a "boy" caught with his mother in 1878.
GlosBMD gives this Marriage;
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MALSON George JONES Elizabeth Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1860 1 260
MALSON George BANNISTER Elizabeth Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1860 1 260
The full PR shows George is a Mason of the Hawthorns (ie Drybrook Quarry), both are Widows
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The mother Eliza of the following births is the above-mentioned daughter of George and Elizabeth, so David's younger sister. My post showing her marriage to Thos Cooper shows David as a witness, he was 29yrs then.
Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1885 MILSON Conrad, [not stated], Eliza, Nailbridge, [not stated], Drybrook
1889 MALSON Thomas Barnard, [not stated], Eliza, Haywood Lane, Drybrook
HOWEVER as well as the above Baptisms there are several Malson Burials abt this time in this same Micheldean/Abenhall & nearby Drybrook areas, some of which from our Drybrook branch of what I suspect is the same extended family;
Year Month Day Surname Forenames Residence Age_at_death Parish_Chapel
1867 Aug 31 MALSON Hannah, Haywood Lodge 66 Drybrook
1874 Apr 5 MALSON Mark #, The Hawthornes 30 Drybrook
1876 Sep 7 MALSON Mark Edward, Morse Lane 6 months Drybrook
# Mark Malson dies aged 30, the year after witnessing sister Maria's marriage(below).
Ref PR and GlosBMD, Mark is son of George & MARY Malson nee Budding, in Abenhall.
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MALSON Mark MALSON MALSON BUDDING 1842 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 4 201
The 1889 wood theft case includes married woman Maria Phillips, as well as Eliza and Elizabeth Malson - (says they reside at Cinderford but this is very near Drybrook and much bigger/main town, standard newspaper style).
Maria Phillips is Elizabeth & George Malson's daughter;
Record_ID: 4640
Entry_Number: 105
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phillips (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor
Brides_Surname: MALSON
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age: 21 Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Mark Malson
Witness_2: Sarah Phillips
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: P412
So Maria born abt 1852, could this be her Birth ?, from GlosBMD;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MALSON Female MALSON 1852 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 12 456
Record_ID: 21039
Entry_Number: 149
Year: 1888
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: Levi
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal miner
Grooms_Residence: Nailbridge
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Stone mason
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hawkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Eliza Malson
Witness_2: Henry Watkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 75
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: M425
Soundex_Bride: H252
MALSON Levi, and family, Drybrook
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, March 02, 2015, 16:57 (3565 days ago) @ Jefff
Trying to add the Census forms for the family, harder to find than I'd expected,
unlike this FoD site's PR, Ancestry seem to prefer surname "MalsoM".
Levi is easiest to track;
1881 Census, Drybrook, Glos.
Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Drybrook George Malsom Head Married 72 1809 Male Mason East Dean Gloucestershire England
Drybrook Elizabeth Malsom Wife Married 60 1821 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Drybrook Levi Malsom Son 17 1864 Male Coal Miner East Dean Gloucestershire England
Drybrook Eliza Malsom Daughter 14 1867 Female Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Drybrook Mary Ann Clifford Daughter Married 35 1846 Female Coal Miners Wife East Dean Gloucestershire England
Interesting to find out who Mary Ann is, Maria perhaps ?
1871 Census, looks like Hazle? Hill, Holy Trinity Parish.
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
George Malsom Head 58 1813 Male Mason Abinghall Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Malsom Wife 46 1825 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Charles Malsom Son 14 1857 Male Mason East Dean Gloucestershire England
Alfred Malsom Son 12 1859 Male Mason East Dean Gloucestershire England
Ruben Malsom Son 10 1861 Male East Dean Gloucestershire England
David Malsom Son 9 1862 Male East Dean Gloucestershire England
Levi Malsom Son 7 1864 Male East Dean Gloucestershire England
Eliza Malsom Daughter 5 1866 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Malsom Daughter 2 1869 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
(NB: Maps show there is still a Hazle Road leading out of Drybrook, near Hawthorns and the quarry.)
1891 Census shows David at Ruardean Hill, with wife RUTH(witness, prior post), daughter Edith)
1891 Census, Forest Rd, Cinderford.
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
Levi Malsom Head Male Coal miner 27 1864 Drybrook Gloucestershire England
Annie Malsom Wife Female 22 1869 Lydbrook Gloucestershire England
Lydia Malsom Daughter Female 2 1889 Cinderford Gloucestershire England
Christopher Malsom Son Male 11/12 1890 Cinderford Gloucestershire England
1911 Census, 5 room household at Valley Rd, Cinderford.
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place
Levi Malson Head 1865 46 Male Married Coal Miner and Hewer Drybrook, Gloucestershire
Annie Malson Wife 1870 41 Female Married 23 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire
Christopher Malson Son 1891 20 Male Single Coal Hewer's Filler Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Ernest Malson Son 1894 17 Male Single Colliery Haulier Below Ground Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Charles Malson Son 1898 13 Male Single Road sweeper Colliery Below Ground Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Malson Daughter 1900 11 Female school Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Willie Malson Son 1903 8 Male Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Elsie Malson Daughter 1905 6 Female Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Daisy Malson Daughter 1908 3 Female Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Freddie Malson Son 1910 1 Male Cinderford, Gloucestershire
MALSON Pte Christoper, Killed in action Salonika, 1916
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, March 02, 2015, 17:55 (3565 days ago) @ Jefff
Ancestry carries various Army Records for Levi's son Christoper Malsom which helpfully also mention his parents/ Like so many Foresters he joined the South Wales Borderers at Newport, sadly he gave his life in 1916;
Name: Christopher Malsom
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1890
Death Date: 16 Jun 1916
Cemetery: Salonika Anglo-French Military Cemetery
Burial Country: Greece
Father: Mr L A Malsom
Mother: Mrs Malsom
Regiment: South Wales Borderers
Regimental Number: 8/17832
Region or Memorial: Greece
The above record image includes "Malsom, Pte Christoper, 8th Bn South Wales Borderers. Son of Mr and Mrs L.A. Malsom, of Bilson Green, near Bilson House, Cinderford."
see http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/625172/MALSOM,%20CHRISTOPHER
"At the invitation of the Greek Prime Minister, M.Venizelos, Salonika (now Thessalonika) was occupied by three French Divisions and the 10th (Irish) Division from Gallipoli in October 1915. Other French and Commonwealth forces landed during the year and in the summer of 1916, they were joined by Russian and Italian troops. In August 1916, a Greek revolution broke out at Salonika, with the result that the Greek national army came into the war on the Allied side.
The town was the base of the British Salonika Force and it contained, from time to time, eighteen general and stationary hospitals. Three of these hospitals were Canadian, although there were no other Canadian units in the force.
The earliest Commonwealth burials took place in the local Protestant and Roman Catholic cemeteries. Salonika (Lembet Road) Military Cemetery (formerly known as the Anglo-French Military Cemetery) was begun in November 1915 and Commonwealth, French, Serbian, Italian and Russian sections were formed. The Commonwealth section remained in use until October 1918, although from the beginning of 1917, burials were also made in Mikra British Cemetery. After the Armistice, some graves were brought in from other cemeteries in Macedonia, Albania and from Scala Cemetery, near Cassivita, on the island of Thasos.
There are now 1,648 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in this cemetery. The Commonwealth plot also contains 45 Bulgarian and one Serbian war graves."
Christoper is named on the plague on Cinderford's War Memorial, see http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=43700.
He is within this FoD site's WW1 Servicemen database, as are other Cinderford Malsoms such as Charles & Ernest, his brothers perhaps ?.
RIP Pte 17832 C.L. Malson.
8th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Brecon on 19 September 1914 as part of K3 and came under orders of 67th Brigade, 22nd Division. Record same as 7th Bn but sailed from Marseilles 30 October 1915.
7th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Brecon on 14 September 1914 as part of K3 and came under orders of 67th Brigade, 22nd Division. Moved to Seaford but by December 1914 was in billets in St Leonards. Returned to Seaford in April 1915 and moved to Aldershot by the end of May.
Landed at Boulogne on 6 September 1915 but sailed at Marseilles on 10 October for service in Salonika.
from http://www.1914-1918.net/swb.htm
Searching the BNA site gives this extensive Roll of Honour article;
Gloucester Journal of Saturday 15th July 1916;
"FORESTERS’ ROLL OF HONOUR
The recent casualty lists have contained the names of several more Forest boys who have fallen in the great war. Official information has been received by Mr. and Mrs. Levi Malsom. Bilson Green, Cinderford, of the death of their son, Pte. Christopher Malsom (26), which occurred as tbe result of a bombing accident on June 16th. The young man was a collier at Ligbtmoor, and latterly worked in South Wales, where on the outbreak of war he joined the South Wales Borderers. He was selected from the Battalion to be a grenadier, so Captain John England writes to the distressed parents, and was looked upon as one of the most reliable bombers.
News of the death of Pte. Theo Gabb. son of Mr. William Gabb, has been received in Cinderford. The War Office had notified Mr. Gabb that his son was missing, and later letter has come from an officer of the battalion saying it was his sad dutv to report the expected death of the soldier in question. “He was,” the writer says, "carrying out some very gallant work and was badly wounded. Every night since the accident search had been made, but no trace of the brave bugler was found.” The loss of this son is particularly sad, as on September 25th, 1915, another son, Dennis, of the Gloucesters, lost bis life.
The news of a double bereavement of the family of Mr. and Mrs. George Edwards, of Buckshaft, Ruspidge, has also fallen heavily upon the whole neighbourhood, when a letter came announcing that two sons of Mr. and Mrs. Edwards had been killed in action. Two comrades sent the distressing news, and said that Alec (who was nearly 21) was killed by a bullet through the head. The following evening his brother Arthur also met his death through a piece of shrapnel striking his bend. Both deaths were instantaneous. Both soldiers were highly respected in the district, being faithful members of the Wesleyan Sunday School and Band of Hope, also members of the Rechabite Order. The younger boy worked at Lightmoor, and the elder was employed in forestry.
A letter from the captain has been received by Mrs Cooper, Bilson Green, telling her that her son, Pte. William John Cooper, who enlisted on June 7th, 1915, in the Gloucestershire Regiment, was struck down while executing a brilliant piece of work. He did his duty well, and died as a Britisher. The officer expressed the hope that Mrs. Cooper would be given strength to bear the blow, knowing that his life was not wasted, but given to his country to leave it a better place than he found it.
Mrs. Hancock. of the Bell Inn. Littledean, received intimation that her brother, Pte. Owen Williams, had been killed in action, but a further report states he is missing.
We also learn than Pte. Harry Thynne. St. Briavels, of the Gloucestershire Regiment, is reported wounded in the arm, and is in hospital at Chatham. Pte. Harold Havward, of the A.S.C.. is also badlv wounded in the eyes, and is being treated at Leeds."
MALSON Pte 17832 Christopher, Killed Salonika, Greece, 1916
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, March 02, 2015, 17:58 (3565 days ago) @ Jefff
Ancestry carries various Army Records for Levi's son Christoper Malsom which helpfully also mention his parents. Like so many Foresters he joined the South Wales Borderers at Newport, sadly he gave his life in 1916;
Name: Christopher Malsom
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1890
Death Date: 16 Jun 1916
Cemetery: Salonika Anglo-French Military Cemetery
Burial Country: Greece
Father: Mr L A Malsom
Mother: Mrs Malsom
Regiment: South Wales Borderers
Regimental Number: 8/17832
Region or Memorial: Greece
The above record image includes the text "Malsom, Pte Christoper, 8th Bn South Wales Borderers. Son of Mr and Mrs L.A. Malsom, of Bilson Green, near Bilson House, Cinderford."
see http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/625172/MALSOM,%20CHRISTOPHER
"At the invitation of the Greek Prime Minister, M.Venizelos, Salonika (now Thessalonika) was occupied by three French Divisions and the 10th (Irish) Division from Gallipoli in October 1915. Other French and Commonwealth forces landed during the year and in the summer of 1916, they were joined by Russian and Italian troops. In August 1916, a Greek revolution broke out at Salonika, with the result that the Greek national army came into the war on the Allied side.
The town was the base of the British Salonika Force and it contained, from time to time, eighteen general and stationary hospitals. Three of these hospitals were Canadian, although there were no other Canadian units in the force.
The earliest Commonwealth burials took place in the local Protestant and Roman Catholic cemeteries. Salonika (Lembet Road) Military Cemetery (formerly known as the Anglo-French Military Cemetery) was begun in November 1915 and Commonwealth, French, Serbian, Italian and Russian sections were formed. The Commonwealth section remained in use until October 1918, although from the beginning of 1917, burials were also made in Mikra British Cemetery. After the Armistice, some graves were brought in from other cemeteries in Macedonia, Albania and from Scala Cemetery, near Cassivita, on the island of Thasos.
There are now 1,648 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in this cemetery. The Commonwealth plot also contains 45 Bulgarian and one Serbian war graves."
Christoper is named on the plague on Cinderford's War Memorial, see
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=43700.
He is included within this FoD site's WW1 Servicemen database, as are other Cinderford Malsoms such as Charles & Ernest, ref the earlier Census post these could be his brothers, perhaps ?.
RIP Pte 17832 C.L. Malson.
8th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Brecon on 19 September 1914 as part of K3 and came under orders of 67th Brigade, 22nd Division. Record same as 7th Bn but sailed from Marseilles 30 October 1915.
7th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Brecon on 14 September 1914 as part of K3 and came under orders of 67th Brigade, 22nd Division. Moved to Seaford but by December 1914 was in billets in St Leonards. Returned to Seaford in April 1915 and moved to Aldershot by the end of May.
Landed at Boulogne on 6 September 1915 but sailed at Marseilles on 10 October for service in Salonika.
from http://www.1914-1918.net/swb.htm
Please also see the Newspaper article here
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=45653
MALSON Levi, at sister Eliza & Thos Cooper's, early 1892
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, March 02, 2015, 20:09 (3565 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi again David,
am I correct in thinking you have access to the British Newspapers Archive ?. If you do, then I expect you've already seen that Levi was in court on 6th February 1892. The article states he was lodging with his sister Eliza & her husband Thos Cooper, they had a rather unpleasant argument about rents, and mother Elizabeth gave corroborative evidence.
As with the earlier items, it's clear that these years were not kind to the unfortunate Malson family, the same "Malsom, Drybrook" search also found this;
Gloucester Journal - Saturday 28 September 1878
"Littledean Police Court.
Levi Malsom, a boy, of Drybrook, was charged with stealing a tin of preserved fruit, value 1s. 3d., the property of Emanuel Smith, grocer. The prisoner, who could not say his age, but whose age was subsequently stated to be sixteen years, and who could not read or write, was sent to prison for seven days."
The same search also finds a few mentions c1880-1890 of an Oliver Malsom at the Petty Sessions, who enjoyed his beer, much like some of my ancestors who lived in the same Ruardean Hill/Drybrook area.
I expect you've already seen this old thread about Oliver, born abt 1850, sorry for not spotting it sooner.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=22180
There is also an extensive article concerning the 25th January 1913 Inquest at Gloucester of Charles Malsom Bannister, 49, a mason of Harry Hill, who died after an accident while working at Cannop Colliery; looks like one of the family ?.
Hard to be sure given the name spelling variations, but I cannot find this Inquest within this site's database. I do see that Levi and George are among various Malsoms attending Drybrook area Inquests within this site's records. The newspapers also carry this Inquest in which Levi was a key witness, December 1898.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/inquests/php/popup.htm?../images/E104.png
If you don't have BNA access I'll happily download and email you the relevant items.
Hoping this helps you with your researches, Jeff.
MALSON Levi, at sister Eliza & Thos Cooper's, early 1892
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, March 02, 2015, 20:12 (3565 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi again David,
am I correct in thinking you have access to the British Newspapers Archive ?. If you do, then I expect you've already seen that Levi was in court on 6th February 1892. The article states he was lodging with his sister Eliza & her husband Thos Cooper, they had a rather unpleasant argument about rents, and mother Elizabeth gave corroborative evidence.
As with the earlier items, it's clear that these years were not kind to the unfortunate family, the same "Malsom, Drybrook" search also found this;
Gloucester Journal - Saturday 28 September 1878
"Littledean Police Court.
Levi Malsom, a boy, of Drybrook, was charged with stealing a tin of preserved fruit, value 1s. 3d., the property of Emanuel Smith, grocer. The prisoner, who could not say his age, but whose age was subsequently stated to be sixteen years, and who could not read or write, was sent to prison for seven days."
The same search also finds a few mentions c1880-1890 of an Oliver Malsom at the Petty Sessions, who enjoyed his beer, much like some of my ancestors who lived in the same Ruardean Hill/Drybrook area.
I expect you've already seen this old thread about Oliver, born abt 1850, sorry for not spotting it sooner.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=22180
There is also an extensive article concerning the 25th January 1913 Inquest at Gloucester of Charles Malsom Bannister, 49, a mason of Harry Hill, who died after an accident while working at Cannop Colliery; looks like one of the family ?.
Hard to be sure given the name spelling variations, but I cannot find this Inquest within this site's database. I do see that Levi and George are among various Malsoms attending Drybrook area Inquests within this site's records. The newspapers also carry this Inquest in which Levi was a key witness, December 1898.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/inquests/php/popup.htm?../images/E104.png
If you don't have BNA access I'll happily download and email you the relevant items.
Hoping this helps you with your researches, Jeff.
MALSON Levi, at sister Eliza & Thos Cooper's, early 1892
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Wednesday, March 04, 2015, 09:38 (3564 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi Jeff,
Sorry not to have got back to you sooner, been away in deepest Wales for a long w/end.
Unfortunately I don't have access to the BNA but I am grateful for the information you have so kindly sent through, it is greatly appreciated. Birth years and dates have caused a problem in the past and I know from other Malson(m) family researchers some were a rum lot.
I would be grateful for further information if it's not too much trouble.
Best regards, David
MALSON Levi, at sister Eliza & Thos Cooper's, early 1892
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, March 06, 2015, 02:34 (3562 days ago) @ DavidHankey
Hi David,
hope you had a good trip to Wales.
Sorry for advertising the rowdy behaviour of the Malsons, thanks for not taking it too personally, they endured very different times of course, especially if literally on the breadline. Sadly, for the majority of us, the only mentions our kin got in the local papers were Court cases etc, to my surprise and my mother's horror even my highly respected and "angelic" family-man grandfather was a bit of a yob in his youth ! My own connection with the Ruardean Hill area is thro' my brother-in-law, a Coleman/Roberts. I get the impression from his stories, and then my researches for him, that just as the Forest seemed somewhat "wild" to outsiders, similarly "Ruddn'ill" is a little "wilder" to the surrounding Forest area, maybe it's all that fresh air up there ;-)
Apologies for thinking you had BNA access, it was your opening post that made me think that.
I am happy, of course, to download and email you the items I've mentioned, altho you may well need to remind me !. In the meantime, the BNA site is actually available to you to use for free all this weekend if you want to, see the FindMyPast offer I've just posted about. If you search "MALSOM Drybrook" etc, using the area filters to ensure fastest hits, then you should be able to find them all.
atb Jeff
MALSON Levi, at sister Eliza & Thos Cooper's, early 1892
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Friday, March 06, 2015, 06:51 (3562 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi Jeff,
Had a lovely trip to Wales taking in Llyn Brianne and the surrounding area, absolutely fantastic. No need to apologise, I had already thought some of them were a rum lot!!
Thanks for the heads on the BNA site. I'll have a root round and if I need further assistance I'll be back in touch.
Thanks again for all your help. Best wishes, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by ChrisW , Saturday, February 28, 2015, 22:27 (3567 days ago) @ DavidHankey
Hi David
I have never come across one of these cases where the child has been named.
It is usually the mother and reputed father who are mentioned. Do you know who the mother was please?
Regards
Chris
Little Dean Petty Sessions, Conrad & Eliza MALSON
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 22:46 (3567 days ago) @ ChrisW
Good evening Chris,
please see my updated post, and below, it's Eliza.
1911 Census, 4 room household, Brook St, Mitcheldean.
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place Address
Thomas Cooper Head 1864 47 Male Married Labourer Mitcheldean
Eliza Cooper Wife 1865 46 Female Married 21 Labourer Forest Dean
Thomas Cooper Son 1890 21 Male Single Labourer Cinderford
Albert Cooper Son 1896 15 Male Single Labourer Mitcheldean
Alice Cooper Daughter 1898 13 Female Single school Mitcheldean
Alice Cooper Daughter 1900 11 Female school Mitcheldean
Percy Cooper Son 1904 7 Male school Mitcheldean
Dorothy Cooper Daughter 1909 2 Female Home Mitcheldean
(NB all "Labourers" are detailed as at "Cement Works/Quarry", ie the Stenders
http://www.helipebs-controls.co.uk/images/uploads/general/14/scan00040001__large.jpg
http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/England%20Photos/Gloucestershire,%20Mitcheldean,%20...
1901 Census, Brook St, Mitcheldean.
Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
Thomas Cooper Head 37 1864 Male Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Cooper Wife 36 1865 Female Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Conrad Malson Son 16 1885 Male Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Albert J Cooper Son 5 1896 Male Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Cooper Daughter 3 1898 Female Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Elsie M Cooper Daughter 1 1900 Female Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
1891 Census, Millend St, Mitcheldean.
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
Thomas Cooper Head Male 27 1864 Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England
Eliza Cooper Wife Female 25 1866 Hawthorus Gloucestershire England
Thomas Cooper Son Male 1 1890 Cinderford Gloucestershire England
Record_ID: 21133
Entry_Number: 243
Year: 1890
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: COOPER
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Cooper
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Enoch
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Publican deceased
Brides_Surname: MALSON
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Haywood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of David Malson
Witness_2: Ruth Malson
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 122
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: C160
Soundex_Bride: M425
Record_ID: 14498
Entry_Number: 352
Year: 1866
Month: Oct
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: MALSON
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: EZ
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Hawthorns
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Incumbent
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P/109 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: M425
Record_ID: 14662
Entry_Number: 516
Year: 1868
Month: Nov
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: MALSON
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Drybrook
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 65
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: M425
1911 Census, 6 room household at 38 Kings Rd, Mortlake, Surrey.
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place
Conrad Malson Head 1886 25 Male Married 1yr Market Gardener(Nursery worker) Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Malson Wife 1882 29 Female Married 1yr Brentford, Middlesex, England
Cecil Malson Son 1910 9/12 Male Mortlake, Surrey, England
FreeBMD;
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
BARRY Mary Brentford 3a 329
MALSON Conrad Brentford 3a 329
Little Dean Petty Sessions, Conrad & Eliza MALSON
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:16 (3567 days ago) @ Jefff
BNA Gloucester Citizen Saturday 15 May 1886
LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS
Martin Perkins, a collier, was summoned by Eliza Milsom, to show cause why he should not contribute towards &c. Mr Whatley appeared for the defendant and asked for an adjournment for a fortnight. – Granted.
Little Dean Petty Sessions, Conrad & Eliza MALSON
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:31 (3567 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Hi Mike,
I'm sure this is the case. The Malson surname was often misspelt.
Thanks for your response.
Regards, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions, Conrad & Eliza MALSON
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:36 (3567 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Well spotted Mike, thanks !
From the Census' I see a couple of contenders in the Cinderford/Ruardean area, both similar ages and married, that may have been a difficult fortnight at home..
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:25 (3567 days ago) @ ChrisW
Hi Chris,
As far as I know Conrad's mother was Eliza Malson and I think he was born out of wedlock. I understand the Hearing was for maintenance of child and I have assumed this was Conrad as she had no others out of wedlock.
Eliza went onto marry Thomas Cooper in 1890.
Regards, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:30 (3567 days ago) @ DavidHankey
This as well,
BNA Gloucester Citizen Saturday 29 May 1886
LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS, yesterday,
Eliza Malsom summoned Martin Perkins to show cause why he should not contribute towards the maintenance of her illegitimate child, of which she alleged he was the father. Mr Whatley on a previous occasion appeared for the defendant who desired to call “material witnesses” , the case being adjourned in consequence, but neither defendant nor his witnesses now appeared. Complainant said she lived at Nailbridge. Her child was born on September 9th 1885, and Perkins was the father of it. He promised to her father and mother to “send for her when he was in work”. She never had any letters from him. Elizabeth Malsom, mother of the plaintiff, said that at different times Perkins came to their house and told the girl’s father to “take care of her and not let anyone interrupt her”. He then “took his hook”. The defendant was ordered to pay 3s 6d a week until the child, a boy, reached the age of 13 years, and the costs.
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by DavidHankey , Great Easton, Leicestershire, Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:37 (3567 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Hi Mike,
This is it. Thank you so much for all your help.
Best regards, David
Little Dean Petty Sessions
by veeblevort , Monday, March 30, 2015, 14:27 (3538 days ago) @ DavidHankey
David,
Here is what I have on Conrad's mother, and on Conrad himself. Sorry for repeating in part what people have already told you, but I am too pressed for time to edit this.
David,
On baptism, Eliza Malson, daughter of George Malson of The Hawthorns, mason, and mother
recorded as EZ.
Prior to her marriage, Eliza had an illegitimate child, Conrad, the imputed father being obe MArtin Perkins as follows:
Gloucester Citizen 29 May 1886
LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS.
Yesterday. -Before Messrs. E. Crawshay and A.
Thomas.
Eliza Malsom summoned Martin Perkins to show cause
why he should not contribute towards the maintenance
of her illegitimate child, of which she alleged he was the
father - Mr. Whatley on a previous occasion appeared
for the defendant who desired to call "material witnesses,"
the case being adjourned in consequence, but neither
defendant nor his witnesses now appeared. -Complainant
said she lived at Nailbridge. Her child was born on
September 9th, 1885, and Perkins was the father of it.
He had promised to her father and mother to " send for
her when he was in work." She never bad any letters
from him. - Elizabeth Malsom, mother of the plaintiff,
said that at different times Perkins came to their house
and told the girl's father to "take care of her and not let
anyone interrupt her." He then "took his hook." -The
defendant was ordered to pay 3s. 6d. a week until the child
(a boy) reached the age of 13 years, and the costs.
Eliza had an earlier illegitimate child. Thomas Barnard Malson, listed as Cooper at the 1891 census, below.
On marriage, Eliza, 25, spinster of Haywood, daughter of George Malson, mason, and Thomas Cooper, 27, bachelor, miner of Mitcheldean, son of Enoch Cooper, publican deceased. After banns. Witnesses David Malson (her brother), Ruth Malson (David's wife).
1891 census: RG12/2006/104/2 Millend Street, Mitcheldean, GLS living in three rooms,
Conrad Malsom was with his grandparents George and Elizabeth at this census.
Thomas Cooper, Head, M, 27, Iron miner, Mitcheldean, GLS
Eliza Cooper, Wife, M, 25,, Hawthorns, GLS
Thomas Cooper, Son,, 1,, Cinderford, GLS
In 1892, Eliza summoned her own brother, Levi, for assaulting her - see Levi's notes.
1901 census RG13/2420/210/20 Brook Street, Mitcheldean GLS living in 4 rooms
Thomas Cooper, Head, M, 37,,, Maltster Labourer, Mitcheldean GLS
Eliza Cooper, Wife, M, 36,, Mitcheldean GLS
Conrad Malsom, Son, S, 16, General Labourer, Mitcheldean GLS
Albert J Cooper, Son, S, 5,, Mitcheldean GLS
Alice Cooper, Daur, S, 3,, Mitcheldean GLS
Elsie M Cooper, Daur, S, 1,, Mitcheldean GLS
1901 census RG13/2420/203/6 High Street Mitcheldean GLS
Emma Cooper, Head, Wid, 63, General Shop Keeper, own account, at home, Mitcheldean GLS
Thomas Cooper, Grd-Son, S, 11,,,, Cinderford GLS
1911 census RG14PN15242 RD323 SD2 ED20 SN48A Brook Street, Mitcheldean GLS living in 4 rooms
Note that the son Thomas is in fact Thomas Bernard Malson, Eliza's first illegitimate child.
Thomas Cooper, Head, M, 47,,, Labourer Cement Works Quarry, Mitcheldean GLS
Eliza Cooper, Wife, M, 46,, Mitcheldean GLS
Thomas Cooper, Son, S, 21, Labourer Cement Works Quarry, Mitcheldean GLS
Albert J Cooper, Son, S, 15,, Labourer Cement Works Quarry, Mitcheldean GLS
Alice Cooper, Daur, S, 13,, School, Mitcheldean GLS
Elsie M Cooper, Daur, S, 11,, School,Mitcheldean GLS
Percy Cooper, Son, S, 7, School, Mitcheldean GLS
Dorothy Cooper, Daur, S, 2, Home, Mitcheldean GLS
Conrad was baptised as Milson. The register provides mother's name as
Eliza Malson, but father's name is not recorded. Eliza took one Martin Perkins
to court attempting to get financial support from him (see her notes).
Birth registration Conrad Malsom Dec 1885 Westbury S 6a 229
With his grandparents George & Elizabeth Malsom at the 1891 census, q.v.
Marriage registration Jun 1909 Brentford 3a 329 Conrad Malson & Mary Barry
With his mother and step-father, q.v. at the 1901 census.
1911 census RG14PN3610 RG78PN136 RD41 SD2 ED5 SN321:
38 King's Road Mortlake, Surrey
Conrad Malson, Head, Mar, 25, Market Gardeners, Mitcheldean GLS
Mary Malson, Wife, Mar 1 year, 29,, Brentford MDX
Cecil Malson, Son, 0(9 months),, Mortlake SRY
Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933 First Name(s) C
Last Name Malson
Unit Gloucestershire Regiment
Series: Volunteers, 27th June 1915 - 11th October 1915
Regiment: Gloucestershire Regiment
Reference: 2496 / 4
Page number: 67
Age: 29 Years 9 Months
Height: 5ft 3.5in.
Weight (pounds): 142
Chest size (inches): 37
Chest Expansion (inches): 3
Eye colour:
Hair colour:
Distinctive marks:
Occupation: Gardener
Birthplace: Drybrook
County: Gloucestershire
Attestation date: 26 July 1915
Attestation place: Putney
Remarks: 31 Thorn St. Barnes
Notes: Volunteers. This recruitment register has '' E'' and '' D of war''
[Duration of War] written on the spine.
Recruits are numbered from 1st August 1915.
Name: Conrad MALSON Memorial Scroll
Rank: PRIVATE
Initials: C
Birthplace: Drybrook, Glos
Residence:
Enlisted: Putney, London
Regiment, Corps etc.: Gloucestershire Regiment
Battalion etc.: 10th (Service) Battalion.
(Battalion history: Formed at Bristol Sept. 1914-K3-Army Troops attached 26th Div.
on Salisbury Plain.
Nov. 1914 to billets in Cheltenham. April 1915 Salisbury Plain.
8.8.15 landed in France.
17.8.15 to 1st Bde. 1st Div.
14.2.18 disbanded in France: personnel to 13th Entrenching Bn.)
Number: 23644
Date died: 11 September 1916
How died: Died of wounds
Theatre of war: France & Flanders
GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to1921)
Armed Forces BMD details
Registration event: Death
Name: MALSON, Conrad
Unit: Gloucestershire Regiment
Rank: Private
Number: 23644
Year: 1916
Volume: I.52
Page: 241
Conrad was awarded the Victory, The British, and 1915 Star Medals.
Liz Clarke has advised that Conrad's name is commemorated on the Cinderford War Memorial.