Thomas (William?) Hall b 1858 Lydney, and family. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 25, 2016, 05:08 (3204 days ago) @ Jefff

Re the apparently-incomplete 1861 Census transcript, I now wonder if this is in fact the whole household. Hence Edwin Morse is actually the son of Thomas Hall, and not the son of a "missing" Head of household as I'd first assumed, ie James Morse as per your original post, Jane; or did you mistype James instead of Jane ??

My reason for wondering is this PR which fits Edwin MORSE in the 1861 Census;

Record_ID: 38200
Entry_Number: 234
Year: 1846
Month: Jul
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: Edwin
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: [Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidney
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: base born Child of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: M620

So, repeating my search for the other children gives;

Record_ID: 38501
Entry_Number: 535
Year: 1850
Month: Nov
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tuthill
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: base born child of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: M620

Record_ID: 38812
Entry_Number: 46
Year: 1855
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: Sarah Ann
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tuthill
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: base born daughter
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: M620

Record_ID: 39273
Entry_Number: 507
Year: 1860
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Naas Lane
Occupation: Servant
Officiating_Minister: Gilmour Harvey Offic[iatin]g Min[ister]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Illegitimate son living with Thomas Hall in fornication
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: M620

Record_ID: 39274
Entry_Number: 508
Year: 1860
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: James Baker
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Naas Lane
Occupation: Servant
Officiating_Minister: Gilmour Harvey Offic[iatin]g Min[ister]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Illegitimate son living with Thomas Hall in fornication
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: M620

Sorry Jane to find this "interesting" background, but at least it explains my problems findng their Baptisms etc earlier. I'm confused why you believe Thomas Junior later adopted the name William ?
Maybe this is a nod toward his biological father, just as "Baker" seems an unusual second name to give James ?.
I also wonder if Thomas Hall ever actually married Jane Morse, I've not found a record yet, not that such a situation was particularly unusual in those days.

Revisiting the LDS aka FamilySearch site, I now find;

1871, Lydney, Monmouthshire, Wales.

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Hall Head M 56 Labourer. Northamptonshire
Jane Hall Wife F 50 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Edwin Hall Son M 24 Labourer. Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Hall Daughter F 16 Lydney, Gloucestershire
James B Hall Son M 10 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Frederick W Hall Son M 7 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Harry W Hall Son M 3 Lydney, Gloucestershire

So where's our Thomas Junior, perhaps just out of the home on Census night ?

1881, Albert Street, Lydney, Monmouthshire, Wales.

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Hall Head M 68 General Labourer. Blisworth, Northamptonshire, England
Jane Hall Wife F 60 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England
Harry Hall Son M 13 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England
Louisa Hall Grand Daughter F 1 Silvertown, Essex, England

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Thomas Senior's death ?

Record_ID: 27747
Entry_Number: 333
Year: 1888
Month: Feb
Day: 18
Surname: HALL
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Albert Street
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: E.Louis C.Clapton
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page_No: 42
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: H400

Record_ID: 265926
Entry_Number: 147
Year: 1907
Month: Sep
Day: 28
Surname: HALL
Forenames: Jane
Residence: Chepstow
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: H B Parker Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/37
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: H400

Both their ages & addresses are good fits.