Name Changes - Morgan, Weale (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, March 30, 2016, 17:27 (3169 days ago) @ amie1990

Hi all, thanks for the added info, but I must say I'm still confused, sorry.

Amie, you say your great-grandfather is brother to Emlyn Weale, but what was his full name, please ?.

Re whether Edward could be Edwin, I guess he could have just changed his name, or indeed been misheard when quoting it, but from FreeBMD I can find this birth which perfectly fits the 1891 Census Info;

Births Sep 1871
Weale Edward Crickhowell 11b 127 (Crickhowell District includes Beaufort)

There is a Marriage for another Edward Weale in Crickhowell the previous year, which may be his father, so suggesting not likely to change name to Edwin, but Edwin and Edward were popular names in those days so...?
HOWEVER I frustratingly cannot find this Edward on the 1881 Census. Neither can I find Edwin Weale(or Wheel etc etc) born abt 1871 anywhere in the 1881 Census.
There IS a birth for an Edwin Weale in Bedwelty (hence Beaufort) in 1874, but this seems too young ?.

To compound my confusion, I cannot find ANY suggestions of a marriage between any Edward/Edwin WXXX and any Harriet XXXX within the records (I'm using FreeBMD which gives excellent coverage across this region).
Nor can I find them in any Census households before the 1891 you quote above.

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Searching Samuel Barnes born Cornwall abt 1878, married abt 1899 (but NOT a "widow" ?) ref 1911 Census;

FreeBMD gives;

Births Mar 1878
Barnes Samuel John Tavistock 5b 364

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1898
BARNES Samuel John Launceston 5c 43
JENKIN Mary Jane Launceston 5c 43
JENKIN William Frayn Launceston 5c 43
Rockey Emily Launceston 5c 43

Familysearch gives;

Name Samuel John Barnes
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Feb 1878
Christening Place Calstock, Cornwall, England
Father's Name Richard Barnes
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Calstock is near Tavistock, and has lots of mining history. Many Cornish miners migrated to the Forest and beyond in the late 1800s to find better work.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Calstock

Name Samuel John Barnes
Gender Male
Wife Emily Barnes
Child George Kimberley Barnes
Name George Kimberley Barnes
Event Type Christening
Event Date 22 Jun 1900
Event Place Calstock, Cornwall, England
Father's Name Samuel John Barnes
Mother's Name Emily Barnes

1881 Census, Mason's Row, Calstock, Tavistock District,(Cornwall), Devon, England
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Richard Barns Head M 32 Copper miner. Beeralston, Devon, England
Elizabeth Barns Wife F 30 Gunnislake, Cornwall, England
Levia Jane Barns Daughter F 6 Gunnislake, Cornwall, England
James John Barns Son M 3 Gunnislake, Cornwall, England
Louisa Barns Daughter F 1 Gunnislake, Cornwall, England

Is James a mis-transcription of Samuel ?

Gunnislake is Calstock area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnislake

1891 Census, Hawkmoor, Calstock, Tavistock District, Devon.
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Elizabeth Barnes Head F 39 Cornwall, England
Samuel Barnes Son M 13 Work To Copper Mine. Cornwall, England
Lucy Barnes Daughter F 11 Cornwall, England
Richard Barnes Son M 5 Cornwall, England
William Barnes Son M 4 Cornwall, England

Sadly I cannot find Samuel in the 1901 Census, with or without his new wife Emily or son George. I cannot find George in the 1901 Census despite his unusual name, but did find these:

Wales Glamorganshire Parish Registers
Name George Kimberley Barnes
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 03 Apr 1921
Event Place Aberavon, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1899
Spouse's Name Emma Maria Johnson

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name George Kimberley Barnes
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1970
Registration District Mid Glamorgan
County Glamorganshire
Event Place Mid Glamorgan, Glamorganshire, Wales
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 30 Apr 1900
Volume 8B
Page 154
Line Number 66

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Please do you have any records of Marriage Registrations etc between any of the other various combinations in this timeline, thanks.

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Finally for now, I've just found this post which suggests Edward and Edwin were interchangable names at times. One poster says "perhaps from this we should consider Edwin a relaxed form of Edward"
??
http://www.genealogy-specialists.com/threads/are-edward-and-edwin-the-same-person.4381/