Rosa Maria Vaile (nee Selwyn)b.1846, Alice Maud Vaile b.1880 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, April 08, 2016, 18:37 (3161 days ago) @ laurenmooney

Do you think there's any way of finding out what happened to the two younger ones?

Harold William Burford Son 1907 4 Male Cradley Heath, Staffordshire 16 Bond Street, Dudley
Eric Selwyn Burford Son 1909 2 Male Dudley, Worcestershire 16 Bond Street, Dudley

There was a bit of family hearsay that claimed one of them had died in an asylum - I'm wondering whether this was a mix-up with Samuel Vaile (Rosa Maria's husband) who was in an asylum in Wootton in the 1901 census...

Hi Lauren,
searching the FreeBMD website suggests Harold may have died fairly young. (it's free to use if you want to try it yourself http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl ). Sadly the records post 1911 don't usually include full second names so a little more difficult to be sure, the only way to be certain is by ordering the relevant Certificates. Luckily there are only a few hits for his name, this seems the best fit = correct age and not too far from Dudley whether by rail or water.

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page
Deaths Jun 1929
Burford Harold W 22 Upton 6c 158

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/upton%20on%20severn.html

I cannot see a Will etc for him on Ancestry, and I think this is probably his record.

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However Eric looks a little trickier, especially as ALL the various possible hits for Eric on FreeBMD site are in the West Midlands area, as follows;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
BURFORD Eric Selwyn Dudley 6c 132

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Burford Eric S Gilson Wolverhampton 6b 1209

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
Burford Eric S Pargeter Stourbridge 6c 55
Pargeter Patience Burford Stourbridge 6c 55

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1944 (>99%)
BURFORD Eric S Shinton Wolverhampton 6b 1369
SHINTON Olive G Burford Wolverhampton 6b 1369
(see PS below)

Deaths Mar 1948 (>99%)
Burford Eric S 38 Dudley 9d 72

Marriages Dec 1960 (>99%)
BURFORD Eric S BEECH Bilston 9b 89

It's reasonable to assume, altho by no means certain, that the two Wolverhampton Records are the same Eric, not yours, which suggests your Eric MAY have married Patience Pargeter in 1930 when he turned 21.
Sadly it does seem likely that he also died young, back in the Dudley area in 1948 aged just 38.

Oddly, I cannot see an obvious Birth for Patience Pargeter, perhaps she had already been married ?. Searching on Ancestry gives the following record which seems a good fit, it appears she was a little older than Eric;

1928 Kelly's Directory of Worcestershire,
Patience Pargeter (Mrs.), deputy supt. registrar, Dudley Union, Union Offices, St James Rd, Dudley.
Samuel D Pargeter, Superintendant Registrar, Dudley union.

Searching Samuel in FreeBMD gives following records which fit perfectly;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
Pargeter Samuel Davies Dudley 6c 163

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
Dean Patience Pargeter Dudley 6b 1936
Pargeter Samuel D Dean Dudley 6b 1936

Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
Pargeter Samuel D 54 Dudley 6b 1714

Tracing Patience's background is rather trickier. Patience Dean isn't a rare name, nor is Patience Ann Dean. I say this as this MIGHT be her death record, the only "Patience Burford" death on FreeBMD, and in the correct area too;
Deaths Sep 1969 (>99%)
BURFORD Patience Ann 2Mr1898 Dudley 9b 298

This gives her birth as 2 March 1898, which equates to this birth registered in the Qtr of July-September 1898, and the "correct" area too;
Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
Dean Patience Ann Dudley 6c 107

HOWEVER, this Death Record could equally be hers, suggesting this Patience isn't yours ???

Deaths Sep 1937 (>99%)
Dean Patience A 39 Rowley R. 6b 746

Rowley Regis District is in Staffs, created in 1935 from part of the old Dudley District.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/districts.pl?r=174716126:7103&d=bmd_1457964543

Again I cannot find a Will for her on Ancestry, or any births of children for her and Eric, or Samuel.

????

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PS Ref the other "Eric S Burford" marriage, this is the bride's birth;
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Shinton Olive G Pinches Wolverhampton 6b 970
Oddly I cannot find any later records for her as a Burford..?
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As stated above, altho' quite expensive, ordering the Death Certificates for the above records will indicate how (illness, accident etc) and precisely where Harold and Eric died. That's if they wern't also covered in the local newspapers, altho my searches haven't found them.