William Prider (General)
by Terry Prider, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 13:26 (3084 days ago)
Trying to track down a William Prider born approximately 1815, Newland.
Father John and Mother Mary
Possibly had a brother named George
William later immigrated to Australia and died in 1906
William Prider
by Paul Andrews , Shropshire, England, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 14:41 (3084 days ago) @ Terry Prider
From Family Search: William Prider baptised 13 Jan 1915 Newland, Gloucester to parents John Prider and Mary.
Searching for William Prider on this site gives no results. Searching using the Advanced Search function gives William PUDE, baptised 12 Jan 1815 to parents John and Mary. Comment on the transcription says that the surname was not clear and was a 'best guess'. I will submit a correction request.
William PRIDE/HILL
by MPGriffiths , Thursday, June 23, 2016, 16:31 (3084 days ago) @ Paul Andrews
Looking at the Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD after 1813
At Newland
12 January 1815
William PRIDE - parents (John - occupation : Farmer) and Mary
residence: Longney
At Coleford St John the Baptist
5 January 1818
Mary Ann PRIDE - parents ( John - occupation : Farmer) and Mary
residence: : Longney
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This couple had : Caroline PRIDE 1811 at Newland
Margaret PRIDE 1824 - Goodrich **
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Looking at the Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD from 1800
Alvington
John PRIDE married Mary HILL - by Licence 21 March 1808
From Fod Records
Marriage Allegations
12 March 1808
John PRIDE aged 25, Bachelor, residence: NEWLAND
Mary Hill over 21, Spinsiter, residence: Alvington ***
by Licence
he signs
Marriage Allegations
sworn before P M PROCTER to marry at Alvington
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Fod Records
The marriage at Alvington - 21 March 1808
witnesses: Thomas AVERILL and Mary PRIDE
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CLDS
1841 Census
Parish: Hasfield, Gloucestershire Reg. District: Tewkesbury
PRIDE
John - 60-64 all born Gloucestershire
Mary - 50-54
Willm - 20-24
Margaret - 15-19
Joseph WHITE - 20- 24
Charlet WHITE - 15-19
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1851 census : again Hasfield
PRIDE
John - 70 - born Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire
Mary - wife - 64 - born Hasfield, Gloucestershire
Caroline PRIDE - daughter - - 30 - born Newland, Glos
Margaret PRIDE - daughter - 25 - born Goodrich, Herefordshire
and still at Hasfield 1861 census
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Gloucesteshire Burial Index CD after 1813
Has one PRIDE burial at Charlton Kings
** William PRIDE - 25 November 1829 - aged 86 - residence: Quedgley
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Gloucestershire Records Office has
Will dated 1 May 1830 - William PRIDE, Gentleman of Quedgley
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Also there are some PRIDAY's listed from Quedgley - both on the 'net' and the Marriage Allegations etc.
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Forest of Dean records also has
Marriage Allegation/Licence
12 April 1769
William PRIDE aged 22, Batchelor, Yeoman of Charlton KINGS
Magaret HILL - aged 24 - Spinster, residence: Brockworth (HILL again!!)
by Licence/Marriage Allegations
Sworn before Thomas PARKER to be married in the Parish Church of Brockworth
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So we have two PRIDE/HILL marriages and the family name of Margaret
??? families intermarrying to keep 'land' in the family
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This marriage is also quoted on Google Books - The Monthly Magazine 1811 - also on FoD Marriage Licence
William is aged 28 and a Farmer, Mary PRIDE is aged 21
Wm SMITH of Awre - married Mary PRIDE at Quedgley : 19 September 1811
Blakeney Chapel: 2 July 1812
Mary SMITH - parents: William & Mary (nee PRIDE)
Possibly later children at Blakeney/Newland/Alvington -
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There are 82 PRIDE burials listed - but no PRIDER's
William PRIDE/HILL
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 20:32 (3084 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Had a look at the Ancestry image and the name is clearly PRIDE. Names and words ending in 'er' are distinctly so. The final flourish on the 'e' is repeated in other entries.
William PRIDE/HILL
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 22:43 (3084 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Good evening Mike, apologies for my being dim yet again !.
Am I correct in thinking you refer to the Ancestry image of this site's "Pude" PR found by Paul, hence indicating that FamilySearch have mis-transcribed it ?
The more I think about it, so the more I'm sure that's your meaning, but I'm afraid it took me a while to grasp, so it's just possible other readers may also be wondering.
Thanks, Jeff.
William PRIDE/HILL
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 23:17 (3084 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi Jeff. Yes, I can see how the original image, available on Ancestry, might easily be read as PUDE or PRIDER but, after comparison with entries in the same hand it is clearly PRIDE. The event is recorded as 12th rather than 13th as given on CLDS.
William PRIDE/HILL
by Terry Prider, Friday, June 24, 2016, 06:02 (3084 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Wow!
William PRIDE/HILL
by Terry Prider, Friday, June 24, 2016, 06:11 (3084 days ago) @ Terry Prider
Wow, thanks so much for your help!
I'm a newby to the whole family history thing and learning as I go!
Could someone please post the link or a picture of the transcript you are looking at?
I don't even know where to find what you are talking about :-(
William PRIDE/HILL
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, June 24, 2016, 14:06 (3083 days ago) @ Terry Prider
Wow, thanks so much for your help!
I'm a newby to the whole family history thing and learning as I go!
Could someone please post the link or a picture of the transcript you are looking at?
I don't even know where to find what you are talking about :-(
Hi Terry, and welcome to the forum and website.
Please can you help us better understand your situation. I ask as although you're a newby (which is fine, we've all been there, I still am! ) your first post shows you have information which (from the dates etc) appears to me to suggest that you have traced back to the first UK Census taken in 1841. A brief background as to how you know that information would be really useful in ensuring we help you in the best possible way, but without wasting time telling you things you may already know.
I'm also worrying a little that, given the Parish Record (PR) shows the name as PRIDE, are we certain this record is actually relevant for your PRIDER line ?.
Also, not essential, but whereabouts in the world are you ?. Judging from your posting times etc I guess you're in Australia ?, which is fine of course, we have a great many visitors from across the world. I was born in the FoD and have family still there, but have lived in West London, UK, for many years.
Looking forward to your reply, hence us helping you more in the coming days,
all the best, Jeff.
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In the meantime, have you seen these parts of this website;
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/help-faq/getting-started-in-genealogy
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/links/24-genealogy-research
Also this old post of mine might give you some pointers and explain some of the phrases used in other replies to your post, eg the various reference websites. Sorry I cannot give a direct link to my post, please track down to the last post in this thread.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=20467
For any query it's always worth searching this forum, in the past there have been many posts from "newbies" requesting advice etc, and we'll always do our best to help. That said, I cannot see any old posts re "William Pride/Prider", so maybe we're all in new territory here !, but it did find the above post for me. Certainly in my view it's far more rewarding to search and find one's own answers to queries, when possible, rather than rely on possibly erroneous replies from other people, especially when if the going gets hard then we're here in the background to help when needed.
William PRIDE/HILL
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Saturday, June 25, 2016, 18:04 (3082 days ago) @ Terry Prider
This entry must refer to the father of the William PRIDE/PRIDER/PUDE baptised at Newland in 1815 and suggests that the surname must be PRIDE.
BNA Gloucester Journal - Monday 28 October 1811
SERVANT ABSCONDED
WHEREAS WILLIAM HARDING, Servant in Husbandry to Mr John Pride, Farmer of Longney, in the Parish of Newland, and County of Gloucester, left his Master’s Service on Sunday, the 21st inst. He is about five feet four in height, thin made, has a mark under his nose; and is a native of Badgington. – Any Person found harbouring or employing him after this Notice, will be prosecuted to the utmost rigour of the law.
October 21, 1811 JOHN PRIDE
British-History tells us that Longney is now Longley. It is a farm and can be found on Streetmap a short distance south of Clearwell .
William PRIDE/HILL
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, June 25, 2016, 21:20 (3082 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
This entry must refer to the father of the William PRIDE/PRIDER/PUDE baptised at Newland in 1815 and suggests that the surname must be PRIDE.
BNA Gloucester Journal - Monday 28 October 1811
SERVANT ABSCONDED
WHEREAS WILLIAM HARDING, Servant in Husbandry to Mr John Pride, Farmer of Longney, in the Parish of Newland, and County of Gloucester, left his Master’s Service on Sunday, the 21st inst. He is about five feet four in height, thin made, has a mark under his nose; and is a native of Badgington. – Any Person found harbouring or employing him after this Notice, will be prosecuted to the utmost rigour of the law.
October 21, 1811 JOHN PRIDEBritish-History tells us that Longney is now Longley. It is a farm and can be found on Streetmap a short distance south of Clearwell .
Just to recap an earlier post on this thread, from this site's PRs we can find this marriage and baptism which seem to fit;
Record_ID: 109397
Entry_Number:
Year: 1808
Month: Mar
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PRIDE
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HILL
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Alvington
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Tho[ma]s Averill
Witness_2: Mary Pride
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Lewis AB Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex_Groom: P630
Soundex_Bride: H400
Record_ID: 265493
Entry_Number:
Year: 1809
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: PRIDE
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Longney
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: P630
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The British History website also gives this reference to a William Pride at Alvington at this same time, who may possibly be related to the above events ?
"The manor house, ALVINGTON COURT, and the demesne lands were leased by Llanthony priory in 1537 to Arthur Porter, who received them in fee together with the site of the priory, at Gloucester, in 1540. Arthur (d. 1558 or 1559) was succeeded by his son Sir Thomas Porter (d. 1597), whose son Arthur sold Alvington Court farm in 1599 to Sir Robert Woodruff. Sir Robert (d. 1609) was succeeded by his nephew Robert Woodruff (d. 1638) and Robert by his son Thomas. At the end of the century the estate belonged to Sir George Woodruff who sold it to the lord of the manor John Higford (d. 1706). It then passed in turn to John's brothers, James, the Revd. Henry (d. 1715), and William (d. 1733). William left it to his son William (d. 1770), who gave a life interest to his wife Elizabeth. She married c. 1774 James Eaton but separated from him in 1780. On her death or surrender c. 1791 the estate reverted to her brother-in-law, the Revd. Henry Higford. In 1805 John Parsons and the two Davis sisters sold Alvington Court farm to William Pride, who sold it in 1808 to Thomas and John Morse. Thomas (d. 1833) left his share to John, who sold the farm in 1837 to Nathaniel Lloyd (d. 1845). Lloyd left it to his brother Thomas, who left it to his nephew John James (d. 1855), a Newnham solicitor."
William PRIDE/HILL
by Terry Prider, Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 01:30 (3080 days ago) @ Jefff
Thankyou so much everyone!
I have been busy searching the links and following up all that has been posted.
Yes, I am located in Australia. Now, I'm starting to get my head around how to go about researching etc. Your help is much appreciated.