Wintles of Mitcheldean 1800s and before (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 16:45 (2960 days ago) @ ChrisW

Ref: the Hansells.

From the September Quarter of 1911 Mother's Maiden Names started to be included in the GRO Index which you can see on FreeBMD.

So the children are registered as Hansell but it then gives Wintle as the MMN.

We all wish they had done that that from the very beginning in 1837 'cos it would have made researching a lot easier!

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Here is Dorothy's baptism. As you can see, Walpole was a second Christian name. You would have to do more research to find out where the Walpole name came from!

Record_ID: 1564
Entry_Number: 796
Year: 1894
Month: Dec
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: WINTLE
Child_Forenames: Dorothy Walpole
Fathers_Forenames: Francis
Mothers_Forenames: Ann Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Micheldean
Occupation: Brewer
Officiating_Minister: E. Cargill
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 6 Nov[ember] 1894
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 100
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Chris is entirely correct ref the FreeBMD site not giving Mother's Maiden Names for births before 1911.

However, luckily for us the excellent GlosBMD site DOES !, I recommend always use these two reference sites hand-in-hand.

For example here's their Birth Record for Dorothy;

Birth Details

Child Surname & Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WINTLE Dorothy Walpole WINTLE WINTLE DAVIS 1894 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 2 308

Searching for a Wintle/Davis Marriage on GlosBMD gives;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WINTLE Francis DAVIS Ann Elizabeth Gloucester Matson St Katherine 1892 51 No 1 37

which nicely fits what we already have.

The reason I was using GlosBMD was trying to find a link to the Walpole name. GlosBMD is really user-friendly, it's not fussy about spelling of surnames, and it displays records in tables that can be quickly and easily browsed thro. A strongly recommended site !. GlosBMD site has this record, a relation perhaps ?

Birth Details
Child Surname & Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
DAVIS Sidney Walpole DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1872 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 13 435

Searching GlosBMD for Baptisms to DAVIS and GLOVER at this time suggest this complete family group;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
DAVIS John Newman DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1864 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 10 138
DAVIS Charles William DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1865 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 10 407
DAVIS Harry Jeynes DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1866 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 11 250
DAVIS Annie Rebecca DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1868 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 12 6
DAVIS Ann Elizabeth DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1869 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 12 355
DAVIS Sidney Walpole DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1872 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 13 435
DAVIS Edward Frank DAVIS DAVIS GLOVER 1873 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 14 214

So if he lived to adulthood, Sidney is Dorothy's Uncle, her possible Godfather perhaps ?. Still doesn't explain WHY Walpole ?.

Probable parents, again from GlosBMD;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
DAVIS John GLOVER Rebecca Ann Gloucester Northgate St John the Baptist 1861 55 No 2 474

Maybe these parents were just admirers of the Walpole family, it's quite normal for Victorian children to be given names from all sorts of prominent public people ?

OR, could "Walpole" relate to the Matson area where Dorothy's parents were married, presumably her mother's home area ?. The only thing I can easily find by searching "Matson Walpole" is that Horace Walpole, an emminent London-based politician of the 1700s from an important aristocratic family, was a good friend of George Selwyn who owned much of MATSON where Walpole visited him several times... ?.

Regarding Chris's wise advice to draw your tree out, another option is to "draw" it using Ancestry or any of the other subscription sites, this can be done without taking out a paid-subscription, plus the site can still be used to search and gain some records eg the FreeBMD records, plus they occasionally have free-access weekends etc. This is how I worked for a few years building several quite substantial trees on-line, long-before eventually shelling-out on a subscription; this marvelous FoD site was key, plus the other free sites we've discussed. As for most queries, searching this forum often provide useful info from older threads, in this case see
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&id=35197

Hoping this helps, Jeff.