1904 Minnie Manns (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, November 22, 2018, 18:09 (2201 days ago) @ Jefff

I also tried searching Rita on FamilySearch, hoping would help find the whole family on later Census', but no luck.

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Did however find these records, just as I could have using FreeBMD.

Name Rita Mabel Manns
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1895
Registration District Gloucester
County Gloucestershire
Event Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Volume 6A
Page 319
Affiliate Line Number 222

Name Rita M Manns
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1915
Registration District Gloucester
County Gloucestershire
Event Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Granger
Volume 6A
Page 901
Affiliate Line Number 55
Rita M Manns probably married one of the following people
Name Henry J Granger

GlosBMD confirms;
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
GRANGER Henry James MANNS Rita Mabel Gloucester Gloucester Register Office 1915 27 42

Forgive me, I did wonder if the Registry Office wedding hinted at offspring, but seems not wrt these FreeBMD records. In that case I suspect groom Henry was off to the war, which thankfully he appeared to survive, if the following Granger/Manns birth records are indeed theirs which seems highly likely given their first boy's name.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Granger Queenie Manns Gloucester 6a 457

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Granger Henry J Manns Gloucester 6a 663

Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
Granger Joyce M Manns Gloucester 6a 582

Again, more info wrt these events & subsequent marriages etc may be found on GlosBMD as well as FreeBMD.

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Back searching for Minnie, or is it Mary, or ???

Unlike with FreeBMD, we can use GlosBMD to find births pre 1911 using mother's maiden name as well as father's, using your birth date c1904.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/BirthSearch.aspx

Expecting to get a birth for a Mary, instead I get these unexpected records, they are correct area so may be our family ?.
It seems Queenie is a traditional family name, perhaps was Margaret's mother's name too ?.

Births
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MANNS Lionel John BROWNING 1905 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 84 280
MANNS Queen Nelly Matilda BROWNING 1903 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 80 85

So was Minnie actually Queen Nellie Matilda ?.

(Nelly is usually sort for Helen, Ellen, Eleanor etc.)

By repeating this search for other dates can also find these earlier births ;

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MANNS Male BROWNING 1897 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 68 32
MANNS Jessie May BROWNING 1901 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 76 71
MANNS Wilfred BROWNING 1908 Gloucester Gloucester, Southern 4 14
MANNS Clarence Henry BROWNING 1912 Gloucester Gloucester, Southern 9 341

For post-1911 births it's easier to use FreeBMD, but that only gives confirmation of one of the above, suggesting they had no more children after this.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Manns Clarence H Browning Gloucester 6a 562

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GlosBMD also lets us find Deaths that may be relevant, I think these first two are our family. However for the others needs more research to confirm if it's our family or not ?;

Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry

MANNS Lionel John Charles 19m 1894 Gloucester, South Hamlet 34 7
MANNS Male 2d 1897 Gloucester, South Hamlet 37 11
MANNS Frederick 5m 1902 Gloucester, South Hamlet 42 95
MANNS James 3m 1905 Gloucester, South Hamlet 43 423

Revisiting the GlosBMD Birth Records still uncertain James' family, mother's name left blank which usually suggests illegitimate;

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MANNS James 1904 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 82 103

MANNS Frederick CURTIS 1902 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 78 149
So another branch of the family in the same tree ?

So assuming some of these children are our family, try searching them in the Census' using FamilySearch.

1. Jessie May Manns b1901
Cannot find in Census, but FreeBMD has these records which gives more accurate dates than GlosBMD.
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
Manns Jessie May Gloucester 6a 342

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Johnson Samuel A Manns Gloucester 6a 990
Manns Jessie M Johnson Gloucester 6a 990

GlosBMD confirms;
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
JOHNSON Samuel Albert MANNS Jessie May Gloucester Gloucester Register Office 1920 32 53

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2. Wilfred Manns born 1908;
Cannot find in Census, but FreeBMD has this record which gives more accurate date than GlosBMD, but can find no other later records for him (several Wilfred Mann tho).

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Manns Wilfred Gloucester 6a 323

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3. Clarence H Manns born abt June 1912;

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
Billingham Georgina R Manns Gloucester 6a 777
Manns Clarence H Billingham Gloucester 6a 777

GlosBMD confirms this, it seems this family were not Church-goers;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MANNS Clarence Henry BILLINGHAM Georgina Rose Gloucester Gloucester Register Office 1934 45 123

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