Hi all! I’ve spent months now trying to find out any information about my Grandad, I’m thinking now that maybe his birth wasn’t registered or that he changed his name, it’s all such a mystery, he died in 1969 leaving 5 children and all this mystery ???? I know he was a naughty boy before meeting my nan ???? but this is the information I have found below… I have been on ancestry, heritage and find my past but I get nowhere, so I thought I’d give here a shot. Thanks for reading.

Gloucester Citizen - dated 7th December 1946
Another car theft - Malcolm F Jones (21) whose mother lives at Speculation Cottage, Cannop, Coleford, but who, it is said, spent most of his time with caravan dwellers on the outskirts of Gloucester.
Gloucester Citizen - dated 19th February 1947
Alleged Theft of Car in Gloucester
A youth and a 15 year old Gloucester were committed for trial by Gloucester City Magistrates on Tuesday, jointly charged with having stolen a motor car, value £250, from the car park in King's Square, Gloucester.
The youth was Malcolm Francis (20) of Speculation
Cottage, Cannop Road, near Lydbrook.

were names like Milson Rose Kenneth mentioned ?

1939 Speculation Cottage, Lydbrook, Cinderford

~??? ~??? 23 Sep 1908 Unknown Colliery Hewer Married 158 1 (damaged)
Rose I Davies 10 Jan 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 158 2
Kenneth E Davies 22 Apr 1931 Male At School Single 158 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Vera M Ryan 25 Nov 1922 Female Carding At Pin Factory Single 158 6
Ronald J Ryan 12 Sep 1924 Male Colliery Labourer (Below) Single 158 7

First name(s) Rose Gertrude
District number 4821
Last name Davies
Register number 36
Sex Female
Entry number 063
Birth day 10
Date of registration mm/yy 0797
Birth month 1
County Gloucestershire
Birth year 1909
Country England
Death quarter 3
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Registration month 7
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1997
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Forest of Dean
Collections from Great Britain, England

Marriages Sep 1930 (>99%)
Davies Milson S Morris Monmouth 11a 77
Morris Rose G Davies Monmouth 11a 77

Amos Morris dies in 1913

1911 Common Gate Welsh Newton Monmouth
Amos Morris Head Married Male 53 1858 Labourer general Welsh Newton Herefordshire
Elizabeth Morris Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Yorkley Glos Shire
Annie Marshall Daughter - Female 7 1904 - Yorkley Glos Shire
Rose Morris Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Buckholt Monmouthshire

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
Morris Rose Gertrude L Monmouth 11a 33

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Morris Elizabeth Ryan Monmouth 11a 88
Ryan William Morris Monmouth 11a 88

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Ryan William J Morris Monmouth 11a 65
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Ryan Sidney N Morris Monmouth 11a 72
Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Ryan Vera M Morris Monmouth 11a 55
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Ryan Ronald J Morris Monmouth 11a 45

Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
Davies Kenneth E Morris Monmouth 11a 33

Marriages Mar 1957 (>99%)
DAVIES Kenneth E Young F.of Dean 7b 979
YOUNG Gladys DAVIES F.of Dean 7b 979

Deaths Dec 1981 (>99%)
DAVIES KENNETH EDWARD 22AP1931 F OF DEAN 22 1805

family

Year: 1909
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: DAVIES
Child_Forenames: Milson Shadrack
Fathers_Forenames: Edward
Mothers_Forenames: Esther Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Sep 25 1905
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1911 Bridewell Near Coleford Glo'shire
Edward Davies Head Married Male 34 1877 Coal miner hewer Dont Know
Esther Ann Davies Wife Married Female 34 1877 - West Dean Glostershire
John Edward Davies Son - Male 12 1899 School West Dean Glostershire
Gertrude Mary Davies Daughter - Female 10 1901 School West Dean Glostershire
Sidney Thomas Davies Son - Male 9 1902 - West Dean Glostershire
Arthur George Davies Son - Male 8 1903 - West Dean Glostershire
Milson Thadrick Davies Son - Male 5 1906 - Dukestown Breconshire

First name(s) Milson S
County Gloucestershire
Last name Davies
Volume 7B
Sex Male
Page 365
Birth year 1906
Country England
Age 50
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 2
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1956
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Forest of Dean
Collections from Great Britain, England

??? possible but birth dates out

First name(s) Rose
District number 4831C
Last name Davies
Register number C45
Sex Female
Entry number 034
Birth day 31
Date of registration mm/yy 0694
Birth month 1
County Gloucestershire
Birth year 1908
Country England
Death quarter 2
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Registration month 6
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1994
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Gloucester
Collections from Great Britain, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

he died in 1969 leaving 5 children

so if you would like to send me the childrens names / year of birth offline using the email icon above, Ill see if I can use that to Pivot back in time ?
( to avoid identifying living people)

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Hi,
I seem to be hitting my head against a brick wall with this ???? he was supposedly born Malcolm Melvin Francis born in Cinderford may 1926, there is no record of this. I don’t believe he married my nan as she was already married but ran away from her abusive husband with Malcolm. The children they had were Terry, Robin,Melvin, Brian,Hazel and Duncan. I thought maybe the name of where he lived at speculation cottage would help but it’s all just a mystery. Thankyou for helping. Tina

thanks I have found them in Worcestershire

as for a Malcolm Melvin born may 1926 thats a bit of a mystery (so far)

Gloucester Citizen 30th November 1946

Malcolm Francis Jones and Ernest Edward Wood appeared at Gloucester Court charged that on the 28th November they stole a car belonging to Lionel Harry Chamberlain. The addresses given by both men that neither had lived there for some time. They were remanded in custody.

he clearly uses a few names or variations although the FRANCIS surname seems to be preferred in later life ( and gave to the children).....

First name(s) Malcolm Melvin
County Worcestershire
Last name Francis
Volume 9D
Sex Male
Page 912
Birth day 26
Birth month 5
Birth year 1926
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Country England
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 4
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1969
Collections from Great Britain, England
District Worcester

1939 108 India Road, Gloucester,
Ernest George Wood 29 Jan 1900 Male Motor Driver Married 51 1
Edith Lillian Wood 05 Dec 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 51 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Arthur William Wood 13 May 1926 Male At School Single 51 4
Ernest Edward Wood 01 Feb 1928 Male At School Single 51 5
Stanley Charles Wood 12 Jan 1931 Male At School Single 51 6

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Hi,
Thing is I can’t find anything about him due to his name changes ???? I wanted to find out if he had any siblings, who his parents were etc. so difficult Thankyou again

Hi,
Are you thinking maybe the Wood family are connected to him?
Tina

there are not a lot of FRANCIS folk in the area, however there is a relative who appears in 1911 Lydbrook who would be a young but potential right age to become a suspect mother to Malcolm......

1939 Lime Kiln Lydbrook
William Cox 07 Oct 1886 Male Colliery Labourer, Above Married 139 1
Caroline L Cox (Meredith) 10 Jan 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 139 2

1921
William, Caroline Lily, Maisie Annice, Plus one other

Year: 1912
Month: Jan
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Frank William James
Fathers_Forenames: William John
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline Lilly
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Tin Worker
Officiating_Minister: F W Bidwell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 20812
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

Year: 1918
Month: May
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Maisie Alice
Fathers_Forenames: William John
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline Lilly
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: G A Hopkins
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Parents, Agnes May Phillips born 3/5/18
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 63
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

1911 Lime Kilns Lydbrook
William Meredith Head Married Male 24 1887 Tinworker riser Glos Lydbrook
Lily Meredith Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Glos Lydbrook
Annie Francis Niece - Female 4 1907 - Birmingham

Year: 1909
Month: Oct
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MEREDITH
Grooms_Forenames: William John Cox
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: MEREDITH
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Arthur
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tin Plate Worker
Brides_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Forenames: Caroline Lily
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Oliver James
Witness_2: Rose Annie Parry
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: F W Bidwell
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: In entry No. 311 Col 2 and in the [illegible] signature for William John Cox Meredith [illegible] William John Price Meredith corrected on the 13th March 1921 by me G A Hopkins Vicar in the presence of the parties married William John Price Meredith Carol
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 156
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

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Hi this looks more promising Thankyou Tina

looking like her parents JAMES family is the local link

1939 30 Cradock Road, Birmingham, ????
Alfred T Smith 13 Nov 1904 Male Bricklayer Married 100 1
Annie L Smith 09 Oct 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 100 2

Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
FRANCIS Annice M 79 Birmingham 9c 283

1939 28 Ralph Road, Birmingham,
William Francis 23 Jan 1879 Male Viewer (Motor Barkers) Married 118 1
M Annie Francis 28 Aug 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 118 2
Nellie Mositt 03 Apr 1898 Female Finisher Non Ferrous Metals Married 118 3

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%) ????
Francis Annie L Smith Birmingham S. 6d 833
Smith Alfred T Francis Birmingham South 6d 833

1921 Aston Birmingham ?
William, Annie L, Annie and 2 others

1911 167 Havelock Road Saltley Birmingham
William Francis Head Married Male 32 1879 Warehouseman Birmingham
Maude Francis Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Newham Glos
Doris Francis Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Bham
James Francis Son - Male 1 1910 - Bham
Martha Virgo Cousin Single Female 22 1889 Book keeping Newham Glos

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Francis Annice Lily Aston 6d 304

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
Francis William Monmouth 11a 60
JAMES Annis Maud Monmouth 11a 60

Year: 1905
Month: Jun
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: FRANCIS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Edge Tool Maker
Grooms_Residence: Birmingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: FRANCIS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Brass Worker
Brides_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Forenames: Annie Maud
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Oliver James
Witness_2: Nellie Francis
Other_Witnesses: Caroline Lily James
Officiating_Minister: H T Hoitt
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 136
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
James Annis Maud M Monmouth 11a 20

1901 Joys Green Lydbrook
James James Head Married Male 52 1849 Colliery hewer Gloucestershire, England
Harriett James Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Gloucestershire, England
Oliver James Son - Male 20 1881 Colliery rolleyway man East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Howard James Son - Male 12 1889 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Harry James Son - Male 9 1892 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1891 Joys Green
James Jones Head Married Male 42 1849 Coal miner Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Harriet Jones Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Oliver Jones Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Annice M Jones Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Caroline Lily Jones Daughter - Female 5 1886 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William H Jones Son - Male 2 1889 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1880
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 31
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: James
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Ira
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Brides_Surname: HAILES
Brides_Forenames: Harriet
Brides_Age: 31
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Clearwell
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hailes
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns: Banns
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Richards
Witness_2: Mary Jane Lambert
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Howard L.Parry Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/17
Page_Number: 62
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

1881 6, Court 23 Gt Lister Street, Aston,
Henry Francis Head Married Male 31 1850 Brass snuffer dresser (dom) Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Sarah Eliz Francis Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Harriet Eliz Francis Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Alfred A Francis Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Emily Louise Francis Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
William Francis Son Single Male 2 1879 - Aston, Warwickshire, England
Amy Maxwell Half sister Single Female 17 1864 Electro plate colourer Aston, Warwickshire, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

This is amazing! I’ve been looking for months and I haven’t got anywhere, hopefully this is it ???? thanks Tina

see what you think / feel with this "branch" Ill continue in the background and update if/when I find anything

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Thankyou I’m looking but there doesn’t seem to be a birth of a boy just a girl ????
Tina

Hi thats right the search for a "son" continues, this may be part of your jigsaw of course it may not :-(

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Year: 1964
Month: Jan
Day: 9
Surname: VIRGO
Forenames: Martha Agnes
Residence: Hillside Hitchings Blakeney
Age_at_death: 75
Officiating_Minister: H Holt
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: died 5 Jan 1964
Notes:
Register_Reference: D5690/1
Page_No: [not stated]
Parish_Chapel: Newnham and Blakeney Tabernacle

1939 Hillside Hitchings Blakeney Hill
Emma Virgo 09 Mar 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 126 1
Annie (Ann Eliza) Virgo 29 Jun 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 126 2
Minnie Virgo 09 Aug 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 126 3
Martha (Agnes) Virgo 28 Oct 1888 Female Public Works Contractor Single 126 4

1921 In Wotton Under Edge

1911 with Francis family
1911 167 Havelock Road Saltley Birmingham
William Francis Head Married Male 32 1879 Warehouseman Birmingham
Maude Francis Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Newham Glos
Doris Francis Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Bham
James Francis Son - Male 1 1910 - Bham
Martha Virgo Cousin Single Female 22 1889 Book keeping Newham Glos

1901 Hitchings/Loiterpin Blakeney Hill
George Virgo Head Married Male 44 1857 Coal hewer Gloucestershire, England
Emma Virgo Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Gloucestershire, England
Annie Virgo Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Gloucestershire, England
Martha Virgo Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Gloucestershire, England
Lucy Virgo Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Gloucestershire, England
Wilfred Virgo Son - Male 5 1896 - Gloucestershire, England
Reggie Virgo Son - Male 2 1899 - Gloucestershire, England
Olive Virgo Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Gloucestershire, England

1891 Loiterpin Blakeney Hill
George Virgo Head Married Male 31 1860 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Virgo Wife Married Female 30 1861 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Hellena Ellen Virgo Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Eliza Virgo Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Constance Minnie Virgo Daughter - Female 4 1887 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Martha Agness Virgo Daughter - Female 2 1889 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1879
Month: Nov
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: VIRGO
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Blakeney Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: VIRGO
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HAILES
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Blakeney Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HAILES
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Watkins
Witness_2: The mark of Eliza Watkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E S Smith
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 58
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

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Hi! Are they Francis??
Thanks Tina

she shows as a cousin to William FRANCIS but more likely his wife Annis Maud JAMES from Lydbrook.

HAILES family is the connection here

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Hi, when Malcolm Francis was in trouble with stealing cars, he was with an Ernest William wood age 19 born then in 1928. I’ve looked into Ernest’s address and idly he had the same address as a Clarke Francis she was a house keeper (born 1886) the address is 84 India road, Gloucestershire, I wander if this is the Francis?

not sure if this is a Frances CLARKE ? rather than a FRANCIS

1939 108 India Road, Gloucester,
Ernest George Wood 29 Jan 1900 Male Motor Driver Married 51 1
Edith Lillian Wood 05 Dec 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 51 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Arthur William Wood 13 May 1926 Male At School Single 51 4
Ernest Edward Wood 01 Feb 1928 Male At School Single 51 5
Stanley Charles Wood 12 Jan 1931 Male At School Single 51 6

1939 84 India rd
John Yeates 26 Jun 1884 Male Labourer Permanent Way Gwr Widowed 55 1
Francis Clarke 24 Sep 1888 Female Housekeeper Widowed 55 2
Edward Griffiths 28 Oct 1873 Male Old Age Pensioner - Retired Widowed 55 3

Deaths Mar 1958 (>99%)
CLARKE Francis P 79 Barton 10b 404

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Hi,
Promising I think ????
Thanks Tina

I believe it is a Francis Clark there goes that idea .
Tina

Found this ???? copied for you.

SIXTEEN previous convictions
against a 53-years-old Welshman were read out at a sitting of the
County
Appeals
Com-
mittee
yesterday
when he
appeared for sentence
On
a
charge of larceny.
The man,
Gwillym
Morgan,
was sent to prison for one year.
A companion in the dock,
25-
years-old
Malcom
Francis, who
admitted two previoug convict-ions, was given a similar sent-ence.
The Deputy Chairman (Mr. P.
M. C. Hayman) told the prisoners that they did not appear to have taken advantage of past leniency.
Mr. J. H. Moss, prosecuting, explained that the men were committed for sentence for the theft of an alarm clock and a blanket from premises at Elmore.
On the
day
after the offence
Francis sold the clock for 2/6d. to a man in
Gloucester.
Mr.
Moss explained that at the Magistrates'
Court Morgan was said
to have been seen in the
City
on the day of the offence, carrying a blanket over his arm.
He at first told the police that he bought it for 25/-.
In a later statement Morgan declared that he had been drinking otherwise he would never have taken the things.
Francis, hig accomplice.
had
made
a
statement explaining
that
Morgan had entered the premises at
Elmore.
It was said that Francis had been living with caravan dwellers in Gloucester, but at the time of the offence he was staying at a Church Army Hostel in the City.
Morgan was said to have been reluctant to give information about his past life.
He had ser-
ved in the Army and in the Merchant
Navy.
He agreed that
since
1948 he had been
"living
rough" in
Gloucester lodging

So the Church Army hostel in those days was on the London Road nr its junction with Great Western Road, probably conclude that he was homeless and probably penniless at this stage of his life.

This is circa 1951/52 ?

Over the years that I have been doing this (!), the traveller locations that I have encountered in census data etc, around Gloucester have been Sandhurst lane/Walham, and the Westgate Bridge to Over area. An area prone to winter flooding

Gloucester's Mop Fair also known as Barton Fair was held on the Oxlease /Over Causeway in the early 1900's

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