John Hawkins and Eliza (nee' Hawkins) (General)
Dear Slowhands,
You now have me climbing out on other branches of my family tree!!
Eliza Hawkins b.1843, West Dean and daughter of James and Jane Hawkins married her cousin John Hawkins, b.abt. 1846. They were married in 1866. Do you care to make a guess who John's father was???? Could it be William Hawkins b. 1802, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Hawkins???
Honestly, when I read my family tree, it makes me want to write a reality T.V. show called, "I Married My First Cousin"!!!!!!!!
Thanks,
Llangrove
John Hawkins and Eliza (nee' Hawkins)
by slowhands :-) 
, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 14:14 (7076 days ago) @ llangrove
my two cents worth...
1851
HAWKINS James 38 Engineer West Dean
James (!) 38 West Dean
Fanny 14 West Dean
Edith 11 West Dean
Eliza 8 Scholar West Dean
Rhoda 5 Scholar West Dean
Harriet 3 Scholar West Dean
Lydia 8m West Dean
1861
James Hawkins abt 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Hawkins abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Adams abt 1789 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law West Dean Gloucestershire
Ascenath Hawkins abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edith Hawkins abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hawkins abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Ann Hawkins abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Lydia Hawkins abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Hawkins abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Rhoda Jane Hawkins abt 1846 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
1871
John Hawkins abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hawkins abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
John Hawkins abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary A Hawkins abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
1881
John Hawkins abt 1846 West Dean Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Hawkins abt 1843 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edith Hawkins abt 1877 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
James Hawkins abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
John Hawkins abt 1869 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lydia Hawkins abt 1875 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Herbert Hawkins abt 1880 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Berry Hill, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
1891
Hawkins, John abt 1847 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, Eliza abt 1843 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, Caleb abt 1886 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, Edith abt 1877 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, William abt 1880 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
King, Thomas abt 1890 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, James abt 1813 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, Jane abt 1813 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Hawkins, James abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England GrandSon West Dean Gloucestershire
suggests the John Hawkins you are looking for is from Broadwell / Coalway Lane End 1846 /1847 and a stone cutter /mason
which is a reasonable fit for this John Hawkins - "attending mason" in 1861
William Hawkins abt 1798 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Hawkins abt 1808 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
Amelia Hawkins abt 1842 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
Benjamin Hawkins abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hawkins abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
Frederic Hawkins abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
James Hawkins abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
John Hawkins abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
William Hawkins abt 1840 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland Gloucestershire
father William is a "Haulier" in 1861
the 1851 entry in West Daen is
HAWKINS William 52 Collier West Dean
Marianne Wife 43 West Dean
Thomas 16 Engineer Newland
William 11 Newland
Amelia 9 West Dean
Elizabeth 7 West Dean
John 5 West Dean
James 2 West Dean
Frederick 1 West Dean
John Hawkins and Eliza (nee' Hawkins)
Thanks once again, Slowhands!
I have alot of the above info...but some is also new to me. You have helped strengthen my opinion that William is indeed John's father. I think the elderly "relative", who gave me info, must have been mistaken.
Ummmmm....but I woder who Ascenath was? This was the first time that name has appeared!
Thanks, again!
Llangrove
Asenath Hawkins and Christopher Hale Five Acres
by slowhands :-) , Thursday, June 30, 2005, 02:13 (7075 days ago) @ llangrove
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» Ummmmm....but I woder who Ascenath was? » Llangrove
showing as Daughter not Grand-daughter
1871 Berry Hill
Asenath Hawkins abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Hawkins abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Hawkins abt 1818 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1876
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HALE Christopher Monmouth 11a 81
HAWKINS Asenath Monmouth 11a 81
1881 Five Acres
Asmith Hale abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Five Acres, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Christopher Hale abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Five Acres, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Hale abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Five Acres, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rosa Hale abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Five Acres, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Susan Hale abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Five Acres, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
1891 Five Acres
Hale, Christopher abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Asenath abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Hellen abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, James abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Young, Benjamine abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Young, Ellen Eliza abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
1901 Five Acres
Christopher Hale abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Asenath Hale abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
James Hale abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Melnon Hale abt 1884 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Nellie Hale abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Five Acres _ Rising Sun
by slowhands :-) , Thursday, June 30, 2005, 02:27 (7075 days ago) @ slowhands :-)
Christopher and Asenath Hale are living close to the Rising Sun Inn, Five Acres, as far as I can tell from the Census images >>>
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Co Ords 357955,212240
Rising Sun Inn, Lower Lane,Five Acres
Now known as ( why ?)
Pub Name: Gamekeepers Inn
Telephone: 01594 832283
Address: Lower La, Five Acres, Coleford, GL16 7QN
The Rising Sun is still trading although it has had a complete change of identity.
It has been known as the Gamekeepers Inn since February 1997. The menu boasts such exotic dishes as kangaroo and wild boar. The new name is supposed to reflect the popular menu served in the pubs 60 seat restaurant.
The ales on tap in 1903 were from the Monmouth Brewery; one of only two pubs in Gloucestershire selling the beer.The annual rateable value in 1891 and 1903 was £14.0s.0d. The pub closed at 10 p.m.
1876 James Young
1885 John Brown
1891 Benjamin Young. Alehouse. Free from brewery tie (owner Margeret Young)
1902 James Cooper
1903 James Cooper. Alehouse. Monmouth Brewery
1906 James Cooper
1919 Ernest Byatt
1927 Mrs E. Byatt
1939 Mrs E. Aston
Ivor Cox
1998,2000 Lawrence Brown
Five Acres _ Rising Sun- photo
by slowhands :-) , Thursday, June 30, 2005, 02:30 (7075 days ago) @ slowhands :-)
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» Rising Sun Inn, Lower Lane,Five Acres
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» Now known as ( why ?)
» Pub Name: Gamekeepers Inn
» Telephone: 01594 832283
» Address: Lower La, Five Acres, Coleford, GL16 7QN
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Five Acres _ Rising Sun
by Jim Ellis , Winnipeg Manitoba, Thursday, March 16, 2006, 14:04 (6816 days ago) @ slowhands :-)
My wife's grandmother Margaret Alice Brown was born at Five Acres on 12 Jul 1884. I wonder if she was any relation to the John Brown who shown as operating the pub in 1885?
Margaret BROWN 1884 Five Acres Line
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, March 16, 2006, 20:20 (6815 days ago) @ Jim Ellis
1851 Five Acres
Benjamen Brown abt 1815 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Brown abt 1814 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Brown abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Brown abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Brown abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Brown abt 1840 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Maria Brown abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
1861 Five Acres
Henery Brown abt 1813 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Brown abt 1811 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Edith Brown abt 1855 Five Acus, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Brown abt 1848 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Brown abt 1836 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Fanny Brown abt 1853 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
George Brown abt 1856 Five Acus, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Henery Brown abt 1860 Five Acus, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Marriah Brown abt 1851 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
1871 Carterpiece Meend
Edwin Brown abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Susannah Brown abt 1852 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Jane Hall abt 1863 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Niece West Dean Gloucestershire
1881 Edge End, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Susanna Brown abt 1852 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Head
Bessie Brown abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Ellen L. Brown abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Fanny Brown abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Thomas E. Brown abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
1891 Five Acres / Woodgate
Edwin Brown abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Susannah Brown abt 1852 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Bessie Brown abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederic Brown abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Margaret Brown abt 1885 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Harry Brown abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean Gloucestershire
1901 Five Acres
Edwin Brown abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Susanna Brown abt 1852 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Edwin Brown abt 1892 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Frederick Brown abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Kate Brown abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Margaret Brown abt 1885 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Harry Brown abt 1887 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean Monmouthshire
Margaret BROWN 1884 Five Acres Line
by Jim Ellis , Winnipeg Manitoba Canada, Friday, March 17, 2006, 05:27 (6815 days ago) @ slowhands
Thank you very much Slowhands for all the information. You have opened up a whole new area for me to follow up on.
Thanks again
Jim Ellis
Margaret BROWN 1884 Five Acres Line
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, March 17, 2006, 06:40 (6815 days ago) @ Jim Ellis
Jim
couldn't find a John Brown, but I guess there is more than enough to compensate :-)
Regards
S
Christopher Hale Five Acres line
by slowhands :-) , Thursday, June 30, 2005, 03:11 (7075 days ago) @ slowhands :-)
1861 Berry Hill / Bridewell
George Hale abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Susan Hale abt 1829 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Christophr Hale abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Hale abt 1859 Son West Dean Gloucestershire
George Hale abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1852
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Hale George Monmouth 11a 36
White Susan Monmouth 11a 36
1851 West Dean
HALE George 60 Coal Miner Newland
Sarah 50 Newland
George 22 Coal Miner Newland
Phoebe 20 Midwife Newland
Agnes 14 Scholar Newland
Thomas Lodger 17 Coal Miner Newland
1841 HO 107/365/11 folio 9
ex-parochial nr Lodge Hill / Lane End
George HALE 50 Coal Miner
Sarah 45
Sarah 15
Charlotte 11
George 12
Pheby (sic) 10
Agnes 4
nextdoor
Moses Hale 70
Ann 25
next door
Moses Hale 40 Coal Miner
Ann 40
Edward 20
John 15
Moses 12
Mary 9
all born in county
GEORGE HALE
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 JUL 1791 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: MOSES HALE
Mother: ANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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MOSES HALE
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 MAY 1799 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: MOSES HALE
Mother: ANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036202 1560 - 1565 0423272 Film 6911882 Film
C036202 1583 - 1812 0425476 Film NONE
Sheet: 00