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slowhands — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:37:12 +0000

... and Eliphelet :-)

and some suspicion must fall here :-

Name: Annis Williams
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Holder
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 28

and perhaps here

Name: May Williams
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Holder
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29

Joseph Henry WILLIAMS 1880 Clements End (reply)

Elton — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:35:23 +0000

Hi,

Thank you I will try and sort these all out.(Remember Oliver Henry Thomas,William Holder and Naomi Holder) why can't mine be staight forward,trying to put a Tree together is a nightmare.
Thanks again for your help.
Janice

Joseph Henry WILLIAMS 1880 Clements End (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:27:26 +0000

lets put it like this " I would not be surprised"

after the transcription comment on the Musician entry, John could be Jos., Josp.

and the Annie as mother to Kate Louisa could easily be Annis

and Louisa seems to be a name familiar to Joseph.

Joseph Henry WILLIAMS 1880 Clements End (reply)

Elton — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:21:30 +0000

Hi,

Are we saying that Henry Williams is Joseph and his Father John is Joseph as well.

Janice

Joseph Henry WILLIAMS 1880 Clements End (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:40:52 +0000

Looks like Henry may be Joseph Henry :-

Year: 1902
Month: Apr
Day: 13
Parents Surname: WILLIAMS
Child Forenames: Kate Louisa
Father's Forenames: Joseph Henry
Mother's Forenames: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Clearwell
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: C Floddard
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P88 IN 1/3
Page No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

1901
Joseph William abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Monmouthshire

1891
Fanny Williams abt 1864 Ellwood, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Allen Williams abt 1887 Clement End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Williams abt 1883 Clement End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Williams abt 1880 Ellwood, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Williams abt 1881 Clement End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William P Williams abt 1885 Clement End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Joseph Williams abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire Stone Cutter
Fanny Williams abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Henry Williams abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Williams West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Joseph William abt 1827 Hastlope, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza William abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred William abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza William abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma William abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph William abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John William abt 1854 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Clements End
Joseph Williams abt 1827 Woolhope, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire Mason
Eliza Williams abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Williams Jabt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Williams abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Williams abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Williams abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Williams abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Henry WILLIAMS 1880 (reply)

Elton — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:17:02 +0000

Hi,

Thank you I did wonder about musician,have you any idea where Henry came from I can't find a birth for him.

Janice

Annis HOLDER 1881 Clearwell (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:45:38 +0000

1901 Marsh Lane (Clearwell)
William Holder abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Annsde Holder abt 1881 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Elton Holder abt 1887 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Milson Holder abt 1885 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Olive Holder abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
William Holder abt 1884 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

Name: Elizabeth Holder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 37
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

1891
William Holder abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Holder abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Holder abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annis Holder abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caleb Holder abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elton Holder abt 1886 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Holder abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Milson Holder abt 1884 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Olive Holder abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Polly Holder abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Willie Holder abt 1882 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
William Holder abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Holder abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Anne Holder abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annis Holder West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caleb Holder abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Holder abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Holder abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1873
Month: Feb
Day: 16

Groom Surname: HOLDER
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage: 26
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Miner
Groom Residence: Coleford
Groom Father's Surname: Holder
Groom Father's Forenames: David
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Bride Surname: TOMLINS
Bride Forenames: Elizabeth
Bride Age at Marriage: 20
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Coleford
Bride Father's Surname: Tomlins
Bride Father's Forenames: Henry
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Miner

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: He signs; she marks
Witness 1: Mark of Henry Tomlins
Witness 2: Caroline Tomlins
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Thomas Holbrow B.A Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P93 IN 1/11
Page No: 6
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

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Henry WILLIAMS 1880 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:29:31 +0000

Musician - at face value just that a professional music player / entertainer, or a Military musician.

There is a transcribers note that some of this is "best guess" so without the image or a clear Census - 1901 might be very helpful - to work from , I'm a little in the dark !

You have to wonder if it is MASON , or similar

Year: 1901
Month: Oct
Day: 19

Groom Surname: WILLIAMS
Groom Forenames: Henry
Groom Age at Marriage: 21
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Clearwell
Groom Father's Surname: Williams
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Musician

Bride Surname: HOLDER
Bride Forenames: Annis
Bride Age at Marriage: 21
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Clearwell
Bride Father's Surname: Holder
Bride Father's Forenames: William
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Collier

Licence or Banns:
Date of banns: Banns
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: William Holder
Witness 2: Maud Holder
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: C. Hoddard Vicar
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes: Not clear Best guess
Register Reference: P88 IN 1/17
Page No: 99
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

Henry WILLIAMS Musician

Elton — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:26:11 +0000

Help please with Henry Williams aged 21 yrs Collier Cearwell married Annis Holder 21 yrs Clearwell. Where was Henry born? also his father John Williams a Musician, what would a musician do in 1860 what sort of job etc.
Regards
Janice