Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary Ann MOUNTJOY c.1813

Mary Ann MOUNTJOY c.1813 (reply)

Carolbeagle — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:43:54 +0000

I have the death certificate for mary Ann mountjoy cinderey from 1863 which shows she was still married to Henry when she died, he witnessed her death, so other marriages and children must be the other mary Ann mountjoy. I also have death certificates for Henry and wedding certificates for several of their children if you contact me I can email you copies.
I am a little confused by information on here which gives contradictory parents for her - I have Joseph mountjoy and rosannah rafene as her parents - any help you can provide on this would be welcome!
I am descended from her daughter emma.

LANDER (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:51:29 +0000

A LANDER in the area around 1800 turns out to be the GP /Surgeon.

So did the MOUNTJOYs name their earlier Children after the doctor - did he deliver the children or save their lives ??

Year: 1775
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: LANDER
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation: Surgeon
Grooms_Residence: Parish of MitchelDean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Letitia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Manning
Witness_2: Mary Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Harris Cler[k]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P207 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 15
Parish_Chapel: Longney

They have many children including

Year 1798
Month Feb
Day 20
Parents Surname LANDER
Child Forenames Maria Sarah
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Letitia
Mothers Surname
Residence [not stated]
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister [not stated]
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P228 IN 1/4
Page Number 10
Parish Chapel Newnham

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE (reply)

malcolm sadler — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:43:26 +0000

My wife is descended from Thomas Mountjoy, born 1809, son of James Mountjoy and Maria Blake, but I cannot trace the Mountjoys (Landers) any further back. Any Ideas?

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:20:31 +0000

Hi Skamp.

I have James Mountjoy & Maria Blake in my family tree as they are connected to me, but not related. They earn their place in my Family Tree as their daughter Mary Ann Mountjoy 1920, married Henry Cinderey 1812, son of Guy Cinderey and Susannah James who had 8 children. Apart from their son Henry, there was a Samuel Cinderey 1816 who married my 3rd cousin 4 times removed Mary Ann Brain, Henry's brother William Cinderey 1825 married my 3rd cousin 5 times removed Esther Meek.

Whilst I plot siblings and parents of spouses, I sometimes take it further, but in some instances, rather than go too far entering detail in my Family Tree, I put detail that I have obtained into the notes field of the person concerned, as it is often the case that connected people become related if more information is subsequently unearthed. Such is the case for James Mountjoy & Maria Blake, where my notes field shows : Details of all 10 children see research.
My research field then shows :
James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE had 10 children
Also they used the surname LANDERS or LANDER. Reason unclear or why to me.
1.Hannah MOUNTJOY 23 Aug 1801 Newland, Gloucestershire, Eng
2.William Mountjoy LANDERS 24 Jul 1803 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England-08 Jan 1848 Bream, Gloucestershire, England md.15 Oct 1832 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Elizabeth ELSMORE daughter of Joseph ELSMORE & Elizabeth ASTON
and they had 5 known children
3.Esther Mountjoy LANDERS 27 Feb 1805 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
md.03 Oct 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Thomas STIDDER
4.Thomas MOUNTJOY 08 Nov 1807 Newland, Gloucestershire, England-10 Aug 1808 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
5.Thomas MOUNTJOY 10 Sep 1809 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
6.James MOUNTJOY 18 Aug 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
7.John MOUNTJOY 09 May 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
8.Richd MOUNTJOY 09 Apr 1815 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
9.George MOUNTJOY 15 Jun 1817 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
10.Mary Anne MOUNTJOY 12 Nov 1820 Newland, Gloucestershire, England

Unfortunately, I don't record the source of such information.

Jim Ashton

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE (reply)

kiwiceltic — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:05:48 +0000

William Mountjoy LANDERS 24 Jul 1803 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England-08 Jan 1848 Bream, Gloucestershire, England md.15 Oct 1832 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Elizabeth ELSMORE daughter of Joseph ELSMORE & Elizabeth ASTON
and they had 5 known children
is my connections

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE (reply)

Skamp — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:16:12 +0000

I have a James Mountjoy and Maria Blake in my family tree along with 4 children, William, James, John and Mary Ann.
I was in the hunt to find more family members when I happened on this thread.
I would like to know more of this family as my husband is descended from James Mountjoy 1811.

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE (reply)

kiwiceltic — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:19:32 +0000

James MOUNTJOY & Maria BLAKE had 10 children that I know of so far.
Also they used the surname LANDERS or LANDER. Reason unclear or why to me.

1.Hannah MOUNTJOY 23 Aug 1801 Newland, Gloucestershire, Eng
2.William Mountjoy LANDERS 24 Jul 1803 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England-08 Jan 1848 Bream, Gloucestershire, England md.15 Oct 1832 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Elizabeth ELSMORE daughter of Joseph ELSMORE & Elizabeth ASTON
and they had 5 known children
3.Esther Mountjoy LANDERS 27 Feb 1805 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
md.03 Oct 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Thomas STIDDER
4.Thomas MOUNTJOY 08 Nov 1807 Newland, Gloucestershire, England-10 Aug 1808 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
5.Thomas MOUNTJOY 10 Sep 1809 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
6.James MOUNTJOY 18 Aug 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
7.John MOUNTJOY 09 May 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
8.Richd MOUNTJOY 09 Apr 1815 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
9.George MOUNTJOY 15 Jun 1817 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
10.Mary Anne MOUNTJOY 12 Nov 1820 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Would like to know if there is any one has any connection to these people please.

Mary Ann MOUNTJOY c.1813 (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:26:06 +0000

Hi Again Ann

There has been another posting concerning Mountjoys and following the threads and the links, there was indeed another Mary Ann Mountjoy baptised 12 November 1820 to a James Mountjoy & Maria. The dates don't sit very well with the census dara for Henry Cinderey & Mary Ann, but the Briscoe connections are too strong with the "other" Mary Ann Mountjoy.

Perhaps more will be revealed by our "guru" Slowhands. The question has already been asked about a connection between James & William Mountjoy.

Jim Ashton

Mary Ann MOUNTJOY c.1813 (reply)

jimashton — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:19:59 +0000

Thanks Ann

I need to go back to the drawing board to check this out, I see now that Mary Ann Mountjoy is shown as Spinster when marrying John Thomas. I note that her father was William - a coincidence ? When I go through it now, it appears to be wrong, but the recording of data piece by piece does not always highlight errors.

Mary Ann MOUNTJOY - prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:28:27 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=4814

Mary Ann MOUNTJOY c.1813 (reply)

Ann — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:21:24 +0000

Hi there, Jim,

Am I confused or what? The more I search the worse it gets!

I thought Mary Ann and Henry (SINDREY, CINDRY,ANDRY) had ten children, two of which died. There was also a William b.2 Mar 1860 to Jane, which I took to be their daughter Jane b.31 Dec 1837. This child only lived for six months. In the 1861 census, where the name is ANDRY, Mary Ann was still at home and there were still three children living at home.

Now Mary Ann CINDRY of Woodside, where the family had always lived, was buried 15 Mar 1863. I'm not sure I see how she could have been so busy getting married again. If she remarried why isn't she buried using her new husbands name? I see that the Mary Ann Mountjoy who married John Thomas was a spinster. Is there perhaps another Mary Ann Mountjoy?

I don't have access to census documents now, so I am unable to have a search, to try to sort this out for myself.

Regards Ann.

Mary Ann BRAIN ? 1821 The Morse (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:59:10 +0000

Thank You Slowhands
Apart from the mentioned links to Marfell's & Brains from the marriage between Samuel's brother George and Elizabeth Wilkes, which has already been mentioned by Ann, the connections are almost limitless, but I will confine myself to the most interesting; (1) Mary Ann Brain who married Samuel Cinderey had a brother Cornelius Brain who married Anne Tommey Brain -now see my entry under the posting Sir Francis Brain.
(2) Samuel's brother Henry married Mary Ann Mountjoy 1.1.1837 and had 7 children. Mary Ann Mountjoy then married John Thomas (no comments please) in 1853, they had 2 Children including Elizabeth Sophia Mountjoy Thomas in 1855 - more later !! Mary Ann Mountjoy then married William Briscoe born 1825 Ireland on 21 October 1861. William Briscoe had previously been married to Sophia Mountjoy, sister of Mary Ann, with whom he had 8 children. Now comes the interesting part, so I hope you have been paying attention. Previously mentioned Elizabeth Sophia Mountjoy Thomas born 1855, had 9 children illegitimately, including Elizabeth Sophia 1880 who married Frederick Meek and
Owen Robinson born 4.12.1889. I have Owen's birth & marriage certificate, Name on Birth Certificate Owen Robinson Thomas. Name on Marriage Certificate, Owen Robinson Briscoe. All of the illegitimate children of Elizabeth Sophia Mountjoy Thomas changed their surname to Briscoe - so work it out !! William Briscoe born 1825 Ireland, son of William Briscoe born Kilkenny, Ireland 1795 & Johanna Aylward born Newmarket, Ireland 1803 must have been a game lad, I reckon he fathered at least 17 children.
Owen Robinson Briscoe married my great aunt Bernice Lily Marfell.
(3) Samuel's brother William married Esther Meek, daughter of George Meek & Sarah Brain, they had 5 children incl Sarah Anne 1857 who married Richard Meek.... the connections here roll on and on.

Jim Ashton

Mary Ann BRAIN ? 1821 The Morse (reply)

Ann — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:33:39 +0000

Thank you so much for the information, Slowhands.

Of course it is the family of Samuel's older brother George and his wife, Elizabeth Wilkes, who have quite a number of connections with the Brains/Marfells.

Regards, Ann.

Mary Ann BRAIN ? 1821 The Morse (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:45:54 +0000

Year: 1821
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Mary [illegible]
Fathers_Forenames: Cornelius
Mothers_Forenames: Ada
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Morse
Occupation: Hallier
Officiating_Minister: J. Morse
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 29
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

< i think mother is Ann not Ada >

Name:Mary Ann Brain
Name: Samuel Cinderey
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 92

Year: 1841
Month: Mar
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: SINDERY
Child_Forenames: Jane Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Marianne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hawthorns
Occupation: Sawyer
Officiating_Minister: Henry Bisse Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG68/6
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

1841
Samuel Sindery abt 1821 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Sindery abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jane Hannah Sindery abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Samuel Cinderey abt 1816 Weston, Herefordshire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Maryann Cinderey abt 1822 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jane H Cinderey abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
John Cinderey abt 1845 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucester

< over to you Jim for the BRAIN / MARFELL connections :-) >

Marriage of Samuel SINDRY b. 19 Jun 1816

Ann — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:52:49 +0000

Samuel SINDRY b.19 Jun 1816 at Linton or Weston under Penyard was the third son of Guy SINDRE b. 4 Jul 1784 and Susannah JAMES b. 12 April 1789.

Samuel married Mary Ann, born c.1822. I have been unable to find any details for this event, I am particularly interested to discover Mary Ann's maiden name. Please could anyone help me out?

Regards, Ann Sindrey.