Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Jesse STEPHENS 1827/8 Harrow Hill, Drybrook

Jesse STEPHENS 1827/8 Harrow Hill, Drybrook (reply)

hilli1 — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:18:08 +0000

These whom you have listed are the children of Robert and Sarah, and the brothers and sisters of Jessie born 1827/28. Of this there is little doubt.

1803 STEPHENS William Robert Sarah Mitcheldean
1808 STEPHENS Mary Robert Sarah Mitcheldean
1810 STEVENS Sophia Robert Sarah Mitcheldean
1815 STEVENS Hester Robert Sarah Forest of Dean Collier Mitcheldean
1817 STEVENS Hester Robert Sarah Harry Hill Collier Drybrook
1817 STEVENS Eliza Robert Sarah Harry Hill Collier Drybrook
1820 STEVENS Rebecca Robert Sarah Harry Hill Collier Drybrook
1822 STEPHENS Sarah Robert Sarah Holly hill Collier Drybrook
1824 STEPHENS Benjamin Robert Sarah Harry Hill Collier Drybrook

all Baptised except Jessie ! I think there should be one more

1827 STEPHENS Jessie Robert Sarah Harry Hill Collier Drybrook.

but he is missing. Still an enigma. (to quote your post in 2008!!)

I only started again on this because I found the Jesse record of 1849, 15 months before the marriage to Elizabeth Downton in 1850. But from what you have said in answer to my 4 questions, I doubt I have it. Hey ho! Thank you for all your help and suggestions. All for now, hilli1

Jesse STEPHENS 1827/8 Harrow Hill, Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:57:31 +0000

Year: 1849
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: STEPHENS
Child_Forenames: Jesse
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: R[ichar]d Westington
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Baptised at] Preachers House
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Does this tie up with this Jesse ?
I suspect Jesse may be a son of one of Robert and Sarah's daughters (?)

Year: 1802
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: STEPHENS
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TURNER
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Extraparochial
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 9 16 & 23 May
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Wm Turner
Witness_2: Mary Turner
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Morgan (Curate)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

1841
Robert Stephens abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Stephens abt 1785 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Benjaman Stephens abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jessey Stephens abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Rebecka Stephens abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Downton
Name: Jesse Stephens
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1850
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number:624

Year: 1850
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: SEPHENS
Grooms_Forenames: Jefsy
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Harrys Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Stephens
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: DOWTON
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dowton
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: George Roberts
Witness_2: Caroline Roberts
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 39
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1851 Harry Hill
Jesse Stephens abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1829 Long Ditton, Somerset, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Jessie Stephens abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1830 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Stephens abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Evas Stephens abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jonah Stephens abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jessie Stephens abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1881
Jessie Stephens abt 1828 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1831 Long Sutton (...) Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jessie Stephens abt 1861 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Rowlan Stephens abt 1863 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ruben Stephens abt 1867 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Andrew Stephens abt 1869 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1891
Jesse Stephens abt 1827 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1901
Jessie Stephens abt 1828 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1830 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Wife Ruardean, Herefordshire
Andrew Stephens abt 1871 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire

Jesse STEPHENS 1849 - 1872 (reply)

hilli1 — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:43:03 +0000

Thank you, once again, for your informative reply. I must assume that Jesse Stephens who was my 2xgreat grandfather, was either not Baptised or the minister forgot to enter the record in his book.
I have his year of birth 1827 from the census records which are consistent throughout, and his marriage certificate confirms this (age 23).
The Baptisman record which comes closest to Jesse's detail is the one which is posted above 1849 - the mother, Sarah is right, but he certainly was not a child. It was 15 months before he married !

I think I am grasping at straws, so I shall put it to rest now.

Again many many thanks for your time and your help.

Jesse STEPHENS 1849 - 1872 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:11:04 +0000

1. Please can you tell me what "Forest of Dean Bible Christian" means in the space for Parish_Chapel?
The Bible Christians were a Methodist ( non conformist) branch, so the record has come from the Chapel records but was performed by the minister at home

2. If the candidate was an adult, would the transcript still ask for 'name of child'?
the transcript form assumes a Child rather than Person

3. Jesse was Baptised at Preacher's House. Could this be an indication that he was an adult?
I suspect he was a child

Name: Jesse Stevens
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1849
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 518

1851 Jesse Stephens abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=2329

1861 Jesse Stephens abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire

Name: Jesse Stephens
Name: Elizabeth Powell
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 462

1871 Mountain Ash GLAM
Jessie Stephens 22 Gloucester
Elizabeth A Stephens 19 Mountain Ash
Mary J Stephens 3 Nanty Glo
Edward Webb 42
Sarah A Webb 38
Mary A Webb 11

Name: Jesse Stephen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1872
Age at Death: 23
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 185

1881
Geo. Williams abt 1860 Ambra, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth J. Williams abt 1853 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Mary Jane Stephens abt 1871 Mountain Ash Relative (Other Relative) Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Anne Stephens abt 1876 Pentre Relative (Other Relative) Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
John Thomas Williams Pentre Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

4. Is it right that he could not have been married if he had not been Baptised?
I suspect that it was not a requirement

Jesse Stephens Baptism 1849 (reply)

unknown — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:58:53 +0000

Parish Baptismal Record : Jesse Stephens Baptised 22 March 1849

Please can you help to interprete the information on this record?

1. Please can you tell me what "Forest of Dean Bible Christian" means in the space for Parish_Chapel?

2. If the candidate was an adult, would the transcript still ask for 'name of child'?

3. Jesse was Baptised at Preacher's House. Could this be an indication that he was an adult?

4. Is it right that he could not have been married if he had not been Baptised?

more siblings ? (reply)

hilli1 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:11:25 +0000

Thank you so much for your suggestions. At the moment the names you suggest don't 'ring any bells', however I will keep them by me in case I find a link further on in my search. Best wishes Hilli1

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

hilli1 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:08:25 +0000

Hi Jim, where has time gone? I was thinking only last week that we haven't met up this year, and wondered if you had been to London at all ! Trying to find this record for Jesse - why do we have records for all his siblings but not for MY ancestor !!? 'Twas ever thus ! Thank you so much for sending me your message, maybe we'll meet again before too long, best wishes Hilary

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:26:45 +0000

Hi Hilli

I'm afraid I cannot add to the details you already have regarding Jessie's birth. My interest is that their son Jonah born 23 Jan 1855 married Rosanna Marfell at Hope Mansell 18 Mar 1877, she was born 8 Jan 1858, daughter of my great great grandparents, Cornelius Marfell & his cousin Mary Ann Marfell.

Jonah was a Coal Miner who became a City Missionary in London. Jonah & Rosanna had 8 children, one of whom Alfred Horton Stephens, married his cousin Alice Mary Marfell, daughter of my great grandparents Timothy Marfell & Selina Ann Harber.

Having started this reply, I will post it for the sake of other interested readers, but my suspicions caused me to check your profile, so realise that you know all of the above and that we have met twice !!

So 3rd cousin Hilary, we must arrange to meet up again with Carol.

Having checked Slowhands excellent (as usual) response, it has again added to (or rather altered) my Family Tree, picking up on the George & Caroline Roberts
witnesses to Jessie's marriage, I checked out the Roberts & found that I had Caroline Downton as born Long Sutton married to George Roberts in my tree, also their brother Henry is married to Leah Marfell, but in each case I had Downton spelt differently and hadn't made the connection.

Now if you want to really make my day, regarding Sarah Turner 1785, wife of Robert Stephens - I have a George Turner 1845 who married Elizabeth Marfell, he was the son of William Turner 1801 & Maria........!!

Thanks again Slowhands.

Jim Ashton

more siblings ? (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:43:35 +0000

.. just by searching the Parish Records section -

more siblings ? (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:21:22 +0000

Do any of these names look familiar?

1829 RICHARDS Jesse[?] Baptism Newland More detail
1826 VIMPANY Jesse Baptism Arlingham More detail
1825 JENKINS Jesse Baptism Goodrich More detail
1826 WILCOX Jessey Baptism Walford More detail

Samuel DOWNTON (reply)

grahamdavison — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:17:03 +0000

My wife is descended from Elizabeth Downton`s sister Caroline. I have earlier details of the Downton family in Somerset if you are interested.

more siblings ? (reply)

hilli1 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:01:51 +0000

How did you do that so fast, 'Quickhands' ? ! Thank you so much. Where did you find them ? Did you also find Robert son of Robert and Sarah b. 1805. He married Maryann (Mary) Manning, and at one time I thought Jesse was their son ... Robert and Maryann have a daughter Caroline b. 1837/8, so 10 years after Jesse, but again I have found no siblings inbetween. [Robert widow and daughter Caroline aged 14 were together on the 1851 census] I did wonder about adoption, etc. so will check out the possible Downton, Turner and Manning options.

more siblings ? (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:38:07 +0000

Year 1803
Month Oct
Day 2
Parents Surname STEPHENS
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames Rob[er]t
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda Son of
Notes
Register Reference P220 IN 1/2
Page Number 25
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

Year 1808
Month Apr
Day 17
Parents Surname STEPHENS
Child Forenames Mary
Fathers Forenames Robert
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda Daug[hte]r of
Notes
Register Reference P220 IN 1/2
Page Number 32
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

Year 1810
Month Nov
Day 25
Parents Surname STEVENS
Child Forenames Sophia
Fathers Forenames Robert
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda Daugh[te]r of
Notes
Register Reference P220 IN 1/2
Page Number 36
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

Year 1815
Month Mar
Day 7
Parents Surname STEVENS
Child Forenames Hester
Fathers Forenames Robert
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Forest of Dean
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister John Newport Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P 220 IN 1/3
Page Number 9
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

Year 1817
Month Oct
Day 26
Parents Surname STEVENS
Child Forenames Hester
Fathers Forenames Robert
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Harry Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 1
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

hilli1 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:34:01 +0000

I'm not sure if you got my reply saying thank you for yours, so am sending again. Please see my reply to slowhands for any extra clues. Many thnksa Hilli

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:08 +0000

yes Jessie, Jessy, Jefsi, Jefsy however it was written seems a bit of an enigma at the mo.

at this point I start to ask lateral questions like is he a child of a relative taken in and treated as a son ? etc etc so perhaps baptised as a TURNER, DOWNTON etc

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

hilli1 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:15:47 +0000

Thank you so much for your quick response. Wonderful ! When I found the 1841 census I was not convinced that Robert & Sarah Turner were his parents since they are 52 & 43years old respectively at the time of his birth. Rebecka's birth in 1821/2 was a long time after Sarah and Robert were married in 1802 so maybe their are other children before Rebecka - perhaps in another place. Rebecka, Sarah, and Benjamin (all born in Drybrook) all have Baptismal records showing Robert & Sarah as their parents. It's just Jesse who has no Baptismal record .... ?
Hilli

Samuel DOWNTON (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:20:20 +0000

1851
Samuel Downton abt 1809 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Downton abt 1806 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Downton abt 1835 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Jesse STEPHENS m Elizabeth DOWNTON 1850 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:16:27 +0000

Jesse STEPHENS Harry Hill c.1827 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:44:54 +0000

< not yet , but here are his parents and some siblings>

1861
Jessie Stephens abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1830 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1858 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Stephens abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Evas Stephens abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jessie Stephens abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jonah Stephens abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1851 Harry Hill
Jesse Stephens abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Stephens abt 1829 Long Ditton, Somerset, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Downton
Name: Jesse Stephens
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 624

1841 Harry hill
Robert Stephens abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest,
Sarah Stephens abt 1785 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Benjaman Stephens abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jessey Stephens abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Rebecka Stephens abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1824
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: STEPHENS
Child_Forenames: Benjamin
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Harry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Herbert
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1822
Month: Dec
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: STEPHENS
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Holly hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Herbert
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 38
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1820
Month: Jul
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: STEVENS
Child_Forenames: Rebecca
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Harry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1802
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: STEPHENS
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TURNER
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Extraparochial
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Banns on 91623rd
Signature_or_Mark: He signsShe marks
Witness_1: Wm Turner
Witness_2: Mary Turner
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Morgan (Curate)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

Jesse STEPHENS born East Dean c.1827 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:09:19 +0000

Dunno! But living in Harry Hill in 1841 Census:

Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio
STEPHENS Jesse 13 HARRY HILL 2 364/6 7

Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio
STEPHENS Robert 65 HARRY HILL 2 364/6 7