Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

chillyvon — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:46:02 +0000

Here goes
Mary Ann Brain 1894-1970 B Brandon Durham - my nan
Thomas Brain b1860 Dudley Worcestershire- my g grandfather
William Brain b1828 Forest of Dene
I think Williams father was :
Christopher Brain b1798 Little Dean, died aged 28 Article in inquest section of this site), he married an Elizabeth Lilly who remarried a year after his death a Timothy ye you guessed Harris!
Seems Brains and Harris' matches were quite popular lol
Regards
Yvonne

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:33:59 +0000

Hi Yvonne

I haven't got any of the Harris's you mention in my tree, but although my main interest is the Marfell family, I do follow parents and siblings of spouses. In my tree I have 622 Brain's including 11 Mary Brain's and 6 Mary Ann/Anne Brain's. Who were your Mary Ann Brain's parents and when was she born ?

Jim Ashton

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

chillyvon — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:21:48 +0000

Hi
This is very interesting as further down the line in 1951 my dad clifford Harris b1926, son of Francis Reginald, son of Elam, son of George, son of Thomas married my mum Florence White and her mum was Mary Ann (nee BRAIN). Seems both families moved North East Brain's to Durham and Harris's to Middlesbrough. Wonder if they are from the same family lines.....Bit of a coincidence dont you think?
Will keep digging
Thanks again
Yvonne

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:56:17 +0000

Thanks Paul,

I had James Brain on all census from 1841 to 1901 except 1861 & and 1891. James Brain is related to me and of course Belinda by marriage. The presence of the "Neighbours" in 1891 seems to confirm I have the correct Harris family.

Interersting that in 1891 Flower is shown as a daughter !! HE married Julia Elizabeth Barnard and they had a son Maurice Thomas born 29 March 1898 Abenhall, baptised 29 May 1898 Mitcheldean.

1901 Census East Dean next door to son Amos, next door again son Charles.
John Brain 68 Retired CM Greenbottom
Belinda 64 Horsepool Bottom

Jim Ashton

HARRIS George and Eliza from Cinderford (reply)

MrsEel — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:11:40 +0000

Hi Chillyvon,
I think your Eliza Smallman is the sister of my 2x Great Grandfather John Smallman born 1839 Drybrook, Glos. His parents were William Smallman and Elizabeth. (For some reason she was entered as Charlotte in the 1851 census, but was Elizabeth in all the others).The Smallman's are a huge family and I have an enormous tree on them. So if you are lacking in Smallman info I may be able to help!! I don't have any details on your Eliza and would love to add them to the tree.
Look forward to hearing from you.
MrsEel

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

Paul Andrews — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:54:13 +0000

1891 England Census RG12/2006; Folio: 44; Page: 4

East Dean
Horsepool Bottom

John Brain - Head - M - 57 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire East Dean
Melinda Brain - Wife - M - 52 - Gloucestershire East Dean
Amos Brain - Son - S - 22 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire East Dean
Charles Brain - Son - S - 20 - Gloucestershire East Dean
Theresa Brain - Daugr - S - 18 - Gloucestershire East Dean
Flower Brain - Daugr - S - 17 - Gloucestershire East Dean
Lewis Trigg - Grandson - 9 - Scholar - Gloucestershire East Dean

next door:-

George Harris - Head - M - 56 - Fitter in Iron Works - Gloucestershire East Dean
Eliza Harris - Wife - M - 54 - Gloucestershire Newent
Evan Harris - Son - S - 23 - Cole Miner - Gloucestershire East Dean
George Harris - Son - S - 18 - Cole Miner - Yorkshire Middlesborough
Levy Harris - Son - S - 15 - Cole Miner - Yorkshire Middlesborough

3 doors away:-

Martha Harris - Head - Wid - 78 - Living on own means - Gloucestershire East Dean

Belinda (Melinda) Harris / John Brain (reply)

Paul Andrews — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:16:30 +0000

Record_ID: 14531
Entry_Number: 320
Year: 1854
Month: Aug
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 22
Grooms_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Moseley Green
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Melinda
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Moseley Green
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Harris
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_orMark: both mark
Witness 1: Mark of Ann Bishop
Witness 2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 160
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: B650
Soundex_Bride: H620

HARRIS George and Eliza from Cinderford (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:41:34 +0000

Hi Paul

Would you know if the Belinda Harris shown in the 1851 Census, is the Belinda (sometimes shown Melinda) who married John Brain 13 Aug 1854 Parkend ?

Jim Ashton

HARRIS George and Eliza from Cinderford (reply)

chillyvon — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:14:18 +0000

Thanks so much.
Yvonne

HARRIS George and Eliza from Cinderford (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:03:07 +0000

On this site:-

Record_ID: 2359
Entry_Number: 134
Year: 1859
Month: May
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 25
Grooms_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: West Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: SMALLMAN
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: West Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smallman
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Shoe-maker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Ira Simmonds
Witness_2: Emily Simmonds
Other_Witness: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: H620
Soundex_Bride: S545

1851 England Census > Herefordshire > Upton Bishop > District 8
HO107/1976 Folio: 82; Page: 8

William Smallman - Head - Mar - 38 - Cordwainer - Upton Bishop Hereford
Charlotte Smallman - Wife - Mar - 39 - Mitchel Dean Gloster
Eliza Smallman - Daur - 14 - Newent Gloster
John Smallman - Son - 12 - East Dean Gloster
Margeanna Smallman - Daur - 10 - Upton Bishop Hereford
Lydia Smallman - Daur - 7 - Upton Bishop Hereford
James Smallman - Son - 5 - Upton Bishop Hereford
Catherine Smallman - Daur - 1 - Upton Bishop Hereford

1851 England Census > Gloucestershire > East Dean > District 4d
Township of East Dean HO 107/1959; Folio: 256; Page: 31
Horsepool Bottom

Thomas Harris - Head - Mar - 42 - Coal Miner - Gloster East Dean
Martha Harris - Wife - Mar - 38 - Gloster East Dean
George Harris - Son - U - 16 - Coal Miner - Gloster East Dean
Belinda Harris - Daur - 14 - Gloster East Dean
Matilda Harris - Daur - 8 - Gloster East Dean
Harriet Harris - Daur - 1 - Gloster East Dean
Charles Davis - Visitor - 10 mo - Gloster East Dean

HARRIS George and Eliza from Cinderford

chillyvon — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:27:17 +0000

Would appreciate any information on George (b1836) and Eliza (b1838) George was born in Cinderford and Eliza in Newent. Am aware they lived for a while in Middlesbrough and then returned, I am descended from their son Elam who stayed in Middlesbrough.Would appreciate any info on their parents or details of their marriage and deaths. Thanks in anticipation.