Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James Harris Popes Hill

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

sue chisholme — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:18:50 +0000

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James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

jweeks13 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:41:28 +0000

Hi Sue
Many thanks for your email, it all sounds very interesting, and yes I would love more information. Are you able to give me your email address, so that perhaps we could exchange copies ( if you are willing) etc.
Joyce

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

sue chisholme — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:57:43 +0000

Hi, I live on Popes Hill and have Title Deeds to my house showing that it belonged to your relations. I also have a copy of the will of James Harris deceased dated 13.4.1892 .

I also have mortgage deed dated 30.12 1870 with James Harris's mark on it ( he obviously could not read or write ) it is merely a cross.

You are more than welcome to contact me for any more information

regards

Sue Chisholme (Mrs)

John HARRIS - James' Dad (reply)

jweeks13 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:02:30 +0000

Thanks for info.
The mother of James is definitely called Sarah. I have her on the 1861 census aged 73 as head of the family with James aged 32 married to Harriet aged 31 and there children James aged 4, Mary Ann aged 2, Albert aged 3 and George aged 24.

John HARRIS - James' Dad (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:00:07 +0000

His father's name is on his marriage record - and it's John.

Record_ID: 37214
Entry_Number: 195
Year: 1856
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: CLUTTERBUCK
Brides_Forenames: Harriet
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Clutterbuck
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Lemuel Phillips
Witness_2: Mark of Esther Phillips
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Gosselin Smythies
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 98
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns
Soundex_Groom: H620
Soundex_Bride: C436

Possibly this one?

Record_ID: 81583
Entry_Number: 1768
Year: 1792
Month: Mar
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: HARRIS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
Soundex: H620

.........or this one?

Record_ID: 188237
Entry_Number: 0
Year: 1782
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: HARRIS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newnham
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Soundex: H620

Next Harris problem (reply)

jweeks13 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:27:53 +0000

Based on what has been said I think I can take it that James Harris marriage to Harriet Clutterbuck is quite possible. I now need to find James's Mother (Sarah abt 73 in the 1861 census) husband.

Next Harris problem (reply)

jweeks13 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:56:03 +0000

Many Thanks, sorry I'm not very knowledgable about these thing!
My next problem is James harris's (abt 1829) wife Harriet maiden name(abt 1830).
The only record I can find is Record ID 37214 where a James Harris (with his father James Harris) has married a Harriet in 1856 and she was 20 and he was 24 so it doesn't add up with the dob's.
Hope you can help.

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Sydney Harris 1901 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:46:38 +0000

No, that was the government birth registration on FreeBMD:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

The Parish Records are baptisms (which sometimes also state the date of birth).
I can't see Syd on there. Might have been non conformist? Or non believers!

Regards
Chris

Sydney Harris 1901 (reply)

jweeks13 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:10:13 +0000

Chris
Did you find that on the Parish Records search, as I'm unable to find it there.

Sydney Harris 1901 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:25:09 +0000

Maybe this one?

Births Mar 1901
Harris Sydney Westbury S. 6a 290

James Harris m Eliza Belcher 1884 (reply)

jweeks13 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:24:49 +0000

Thabnks for this information, it looks possible.
AS far as the SIDNEY HARRIS 1901 (my grandfather) situation, I have have is Army records which give his DOB as 1901 which fits with the census 1901 saying is was 0 years of age. But I cannot find a birth entry for him. Any ideas please. His father was James Harris abt 1858 and his mother Eliza Belcher abt 1860.

James Harris m Eliza Belcher 1884 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:43:07 +0000

As Census states wife is Eliza, maybe this marriage?

Record_ID: 19441
Entry_Number: 55
Year: 1884
Month: Nov
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: BELCHER
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Westbury on Severn
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Belcher
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of Joseph Belcher
Witness_2: Mary Ann Waite
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Chrisr Jay Jones M.A. Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/19
Page_Number: 28
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
Soundex_Groom: H620
Soundex_Bride: B426

... and this may be the bride.......

Record_ID: 64624
Entry_Number: 163
Year: 1860
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: BELCHER
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Westbury
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
Soundex: B426

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

bertha — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:35:41 +0000

As far as James birth year is concerned, on the Census they usually put that the person is born 'abt' (about) 1856 etc so it's quite usual for someone's birth year and age range to vary from Census to Census.

As far as the spelling of Sydney/Sidney is concerned the Ennumerator writes down what he hears, and spells the name as he sees fit.

Researching is not an exact Science if it was it would make life a lot easier for us all!

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

jweeks13 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:04:38 +0000

Some good news
Sidney is indeed on the 1901 census 0 years of age.
so here goes
James Harris 43 Collier in Pit
married to Eliza Harris 41
daughter Elsie 11
Leonard 9
Rose 7
Albert 5
Emily 3
Sydney with a Y 0.
Now I'm confused because we all though it was spelt with a I as it is on his Army record. And this info would make James born in 1858 not 1856 as on the baptism info, any thoughts?

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

jweeks13 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:19:38 +0000

Hi again
I have the 1861 and 1881 census which has matched with the info you have given me so far. Up to James Harris 1856. But haven't got past that yet apart from a photo of Sidney (my grandfather) and Rose (his sister) in her police uniform and some of Sidneys Army records.
I just emailed a cousin to see if he know which month Sidney was born in and what order him and his siblings were born. I let you know. I know when Sidney got married he was in Bristol but the rest of his family were still Pope Hill.
Thanks for your help so far.

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

bertha — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:41:48 +0000

Sometimes you need to go forward before you can go backwards!
You say that Sidney was born in 1901, and he had a sister Rose and possible other siblings.
Would you know if Sidney was the oldest child, and if so what order would Rose and the other children come in? Depending on what month in 1901 Sidney was born in, you may be lucky and find him on the Census.
As far as I'm aware the Record ID number is just for the Parishes own reference, but perhaps someone else could confirm that for you as I'm not really sure.

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

jweeks13 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:24:12 +0000

Many Thanks Bertha for information on Harris's.
I would now like to trace James Harris' (dob 1856) Marriage and Buriel. I had a look on the parish records and have a few option but not sure. Would the Record ID no help and how would I use it, or this this something you could do for me?

James Harris Popes Hill (reply)

bertha — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:14:31 +0000

When you join this website you have access to thousands of transcribed Parish Records. After you've logged in, go to the Parish Records Section of the site then type in the name of the person you are looking for.
I've found this Record which can be viewed on this website.

Record_ID: 30097
Entry_Number: 338
Year: 1856
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: HARRIS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: T. M. Wetherell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 145 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley
Soundex: H620

1861 England Census from Ancestry
Albert Harris abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Harris abt 1837 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Harris abt 1830 Longney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter-in-law East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Harris abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Harris abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maryann Harris abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Harris abt 1788 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881 England Census
Albert Harris abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hariot Harris abt 1832 Longley, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Harris abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Harris abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Harris abt 1863 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

James Harris Popes Hill

jweeks13 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:32:17 +0000

Hi
I am trying to find marriage, birth, death etc of James Harris 1857 dont't know who too. He then went on to have my Grandfather Sidney Harris (dob 1901) and again any details would be great. Sidney had a sister Rose Harris (first or second women to join Police in London I believe, and poss other siblings Elsie and Law (not sure of spelling).
The James mentioned aboth had a father called James Harris (dob abt 1829) and mother Harriet Harris (dob abt 1788) and his mother was called Sarah Harris (dob abt 1788).
I believe they all came from Popes Hill area. All information on all of them would be great if possible, hope I'm not asking for too much.
Many Thanks
Sidney Harris grandaughter