Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Albert John SHORNEY 1871 - 1952

Albert John SHORNEY 1871 - 1952 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:23:32 +0000

Name: Albert John Shorney
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 8

Year: 1871
Month: May
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: SHORNEY
Child_Forenames: Albert John
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Anna
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: Baker
Officiating_Minister: G Orme
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 27 Apr 1871
Notes:
Register_Reference: D 2500 1
Page_Number: 344/5
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Beulah Independent

1881
Hannah Shorney abt 1848 Chepstow, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire
Albert Shorney abt 1872 Woodcroft, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire

1891 Stanhope St
Albert Shamey abt 1871 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Boarder St Nicholas, Herefordshire Post Office Clerk

Name: Albert John Shorney & Kate Davies
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 960

1901 Beercroft Villas
Albert J Shomey abt 1871 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Head St Nicholas, Herefordshire Clerk
Kate Shomey abt 1872 Herefordshire, England Wife St Nicholas, Herefordshire
Infant Shomey Herefordshire, England Daughter St Nicholas, Herefordshire
Florence Dames abt 1884 Herefordshire, England Sister-in-law St Nicholas, Herefordshire

children:-
Kathleen Doris Shorney Apr-May-Jun 1901 Hereford Herefordshire
Gladys Marjorie F Shorney Jan-Feb-Mar 1904 Hereford Herefordshire

1911 4 Charterhouse Rd Coventry England
John Davies 54 Coventry
Clara Davies 50 Leamington
Cissy Davies 8 Coventry
Harry Holmes 6 Coventry
Albert John Shorney 34 Chepstow Billiard Room Manager

Name: Albert J Shorney
Birth Date: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Salisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 7c
Page: 524

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

unknown — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:25:31 +0000

Hi Mary et al,

Mary - I Emailed you a while ago under separate cover (Pierre04) but have since registered, as you can see. I am a direct descendant of Robert and his son Albert.

All/Any - is there anywhere that all the great stuff about R and H Shorney is shown diagramatically. I'm new to all this and can't get my head round your posts yet, particularly the data I assume to be lifts from Census?

Absolutely fantistic site and work - many thanks to all.

DogBrother.

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

marywilliams — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:05:29 +0000

Thanks for that - I've just checked the parish records again and you could be right, the first one was a "private baptism". Yes, strange the change of name
but as the parents were not living together I suppose it's possible that he didn't approve of the name and changed it at the second baptism.

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:38:54 +0000

yes its possible - a sick child has a private baptism and then when he survives has a "public " baptism.

what is a surprise is the change of name , but as I often type - keep an open mind :-)

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:28:08 +0000

That crossed my mind too! Unless there is a Rob & Hannah as well as a Rob & Anna. Perhaps they changed their minds and took him to a different church to be re-christened. I can't find a birth reg. for the other little chap.

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

marywilliams — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:08:32 +0000

So what are the chances that the same child was baptised twice!!!

Robert SHORNEY 1846 Llanwenarth (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:53:29 +0000

Candidate for Robert S

1841
James Shorney abt 1815 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire

Name: James Shorney
Name: Martha Thomas
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Abergavenny
County: Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 27

1851
James Shorney abt 1812 Niperce, Somerset, England Son-in-law Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire
Martha Shorney abt 1819 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire
Robert Shorney abt 1846 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire
William Shorney abt 1845 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire

death of Father ?

Name: James Shorney
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Abergavenny
County: Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 39

1861 ?

remarriage of Mother ?

Name: Martha Shorney
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 111

Robert and Anna Shorney (reply)

Dewey — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:35:35 +0000

In the 1881 census there is a Hannah Shorney 33 and Albert Shorney 9 living in the household of Edward Jones at Tutshill. Hannah is listed as daughter and Albert as grandson.
Dewey

Robert and Anna SHORNEY Marriage 1869 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:15:10 +0000

Name: Anna Jones
Name: Robert Shorney
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 285

< Note Hannah claims to be married in 1901 ( still) despite no sign of Robert >

1871 Woodcroft
Edward Jones abt 1813 Mathern, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jones abt 1824 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Tidenham, Gloucestershire
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Anna Shorney abt 1847 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire

a "twin" for Albert does not seem to be in the BMD listings

Name: Albert John Shorney
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 8

1881 Tutshill
Edward Jones abt 1812 Pwlmeric, Monmouth, Wales Head Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jones abt 1825 Chepstow, Monmouth, Wales Wife Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire
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Hannah Shorney abt 1848 Chepstow, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire
Albert Shorney abt 1872 Woodcroft, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Tidenham and Beachley, Gloucestershire

1891 Wyncliff View Villa
Edward Jones abt 1812 Matherne, Monmouthshire, Wales Father Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jones abt 1824 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother Tidenham, Gloucestershire
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Hannah Jones abt 1847 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Sister Tidenham, Gloucestershire Married

1901
William Jones abt 1860 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
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Hannah Shorvey abt 1846 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Sister Tidenham, Gloucestershire married

1911 Tutshill Nr Chepstow
Hannah Shorney 63 Widow Chepstow
Kathleen Mary Jones 12 Niece Tutshill

building there today :-

Wyndcliffe View Villa,
Gloucester Road,
Tutshill, Chepstow,
Gloucestershire,
NP16 7DH

Prior thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1477#p1481

Robert and Anna Shorney

marywilliams — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:37:51 +0000

Can someone help me with this puzzle. The 1871 census shows Anna Shorney living with her parents Edward and Sarah Jones. The 1881 Census has her and her son Albert living with them.

Parish records show that Albert John was born to Robert and Anna Shorney on 27th April 1871 and baptised at Chepstow Beulah Independent on 28th May 1871. HOWEVER, there is also a son, William Frank who was baptised at Tutshill on 5th May 1871 whose parents are Robert and Anna Shorney. On both records Robert's occupation is "baker", his address is Bristol on William Franks but no address recorded on Alberts.

My initial guess was that the boys were twins and perhaps William was baptised three weeks before Albert because he was not going to live. But.............
there is no record of a burial for William. There was no marriage between Robert and Anna in this area either - perhaps they met and married in Bristol?

Thanks. Isn't this a brilliant site, if only all Parish Records were so easily accessible.
Mary