Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Edmund FREEMAN 1873- find war details

Edmund FREEMAN 1873- find war details (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:39:08 +0000

To pick up on earlier post and his declaring hisself as a younger man

Attestation 1914
Name: Edmund Freeman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 36
Residence: Grey Cottage, Argoed Mon
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 15888
Regiment Name: King's Shropshire LI
Number of images: 16

Medal Record
Name: Edmund Freeman
Regiment or Corps: Shropshire Light Infantry, Labour Corps
Regimental Number: 15888, 574002

57402 Labour Corps
Pte E Freeman
Hopemansell
nr Ross

14/6/1919 end of Service ? age 46 not 41 as he "claimed"

FREEMAN - 1911 census (5 children) (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:19:51 +0000

1911 Census, Glos. Woodmancote
District 03
Schedule 97

FREEMAN - Pigeon House, Woodmancote, Cleeve Hill, (Bishofo Colume?)

Edmund - age 37 - Head, 37 - married 12 years, 5 children born alive, 5 living born Glos. Longhope

Gertrude Annie - age 39 (line through age, then 39 written again)- all the rest born Hope Mansell
Winnie - 11 (for some reason Winnie and Edmund have a line through on the census return)
Edmund - 9
Edward - age 7
Marjorie - age 5 - 1906 (Public Members Tree - Marjorie Clara May BARNES - 3 Nov 1905 - 19 Jan 1997 - buried with sister, Elizabeth Winfred - 16 August 1899 - 12 November 1989)
Joshua - age 3 - 1908

This tree is well documented on a number of Ancestry Public Members tree - there is a birth certificate of Edmund Anthony FREEMAN, born 21 April 1901 Upper Barrell Farm, Aston Ingham Hereford, with the correct parents - Edmund married Emily SLEEMAN - many photos inc one of Gertrude/Edmund FREEMAN and family taken before Edmund went to WW1.

Military Records on Ancestry (2 pages) - wife Gertrude FREEMAN, children Anthony -1901, Edward 1903, Marjorie 1905, Joshua - 1908 ( Edmund Snr. 5' 8 and a quarter inches tall, scar on abdomen)

Edmund FREEMAN

c1878

age 36

Grey Cottage Argoed Mon (enlisted 17 November 1914, Newport Mon. occupation, Collier)

enlistment: 1914

No. 15888

Kings Shoprshire

Charles William Benjamin FREEMAN 1913-1913 Hope Mansell (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:01:06 +0000

This all seems to fit with a child born May / June and dying August/Sept 1913, aged 4 months.

The baptism on 29th Sept could be 29th August, likewise the burial on the 2nd Sept could be 29th Sept - many possibilities - we could speculate that child was ill and baptised in haste.... The transcriptions may be accurate and an error was made in the original registers :-(

The BMD's are as you might expect, not unusual for a September event to appear in the October register. The transcription says 4 not 4 Years ( or 4 months !)

Name: Charles W B Freeman
Mother's Maiden Name: Jones
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1913
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 885

Year: 1913
Month: Sep
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: FREEMAN
Child_Forenames: William Charles Benjamin
Fathers_Forenames: Edmund
Mothers_Forenames: Gertrude Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Twisling Hope Mansel
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: C J Stuart Rotten
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/1
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

Name: Charles W B Freeman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 531

Year: 1913
Month: Sep
Day: 2
Surname: FREEMAN
Forenames: Charles William Benjamin
Residence: Twissling Hope Mansel
Age_at_death: 4
Officiating_Minister: C J Stuart Rotton
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/2
Page_No: 73
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

Charles William Benjamin Freeman (reply)

Simone — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:50:23 +0000

Still doesn't quite add up though, even if the child was 4 months old not 4 years... the death should be registered in Sep q 1913 if buried on 2/9.. but death is registered in dec q...
wonder if burial date on transcript wrong and should be 29th...
as Stephen is asking, he needs a check of original image.. :)

Simone x

Charles William Benjamin Freeman (reply)

whitecroft1946 — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:30:45 +0000

According to FreeBMD:
Edmund Freeman married Gertrude Annie Jones in Sept quarter of 1898 (Ref Glos 6a 536)
The birth record for Charles WB Freeman you found in the June quarter of 1913 shows the mother as Jones which ties in.
Maybe the baby was 4 months old and was baptised shortly before he died in September.
I have found records where a child was baptised aged 2 and I'm sure that this is far from being unusual.

Charles William Benjamin Freeman (reply)

stephenmiller — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:55:30 +0000

I was unable to find a Freee BMD for William Charles Benjamin Freeman born around that time, so think he must be the same person.....

Charles William Benjamin Freeman (reply)

Simone — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:45:38 +0000

Hi Stephen

As Charles William Benjamin Freeman buried 2/9/1913 is age 4 when he has died,
I am wondering if maybe another child born just after his burial and named in his honour maybe?

Simone x

Charles William Benjamin FREEMAN 1913 (reply)

stephenmiller — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:37:21 +0000

I have been looking through the recent Hope Mansel parish records hoping to find the baptism of a relative whom I had heard had died around 1 year of age. I have managed to find him but there seems to be a discrepancy in his baptism and burial records so I am hoping someone can help. All I knew was of the name Benjamin being born to Edmund and Gertrude Freeman in hope Mansell. On 29 sept 1913 there is a baptism for William Charles Benjamin Freeman to those parents.....there is also a burial record for the same residency address but for Charles William Benjamin Freeman age 4 burial 2 sept 1913........I am sure this is the same person as the residency baptism and burial is the same...but the name is slightly different and the age is wrong. Plus he is baptised after he is buried! Free BMD has a Charles W B Freeman born 1913 Ross died 1913 Ross......does anyone have access to the parish records to check these entries for me? Thank you

Edmund Freeman born c1873 - can anyone help find war details (reply)

stephenmiller — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:45:24 +0000

I know that edmund freeman born c1873 was sent to fight in the war. i am unable to find any details on this - can anyone help?

I was also told that edmund got into trouble for shooting someone over a row about stolen horses - does anyone have any further information?

(for information he was married to gertrude jones, his father was nathaniel weaver freeman , mother sarah ann robinson.)

Edmund FREEMAN 1873 -1952 longhope - prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:38:33 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=983#p1078

a Freeman / Jones child in the area

Name: Charles W B Freeman
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Jones
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 885

Name: Edmund Freeman
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1952
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Gloucester Rural
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 476

Year: 1952
Month: Nov
Day: 14
Surname: FREEMAN
Forenames: Edmund
Residence: Westbury Hall Westbury on Severn
Age_at_death: 79
Officiating_Minister: W Potter
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/2
Page_No: 93
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

Year: 1951
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Surname: FREEMAN
Forenames: Gertrude Annie
Residence: Vane Farm Walford
Age_at_death: 79
Officiating_Minister: W Potter
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/2
Page_No: 91
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

1911
FREEMAN EDMUND M 1874 37 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
FREEMAN GERTRUDE ANNIE F 1872 39 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
FREEMAN EDWARD M 1904 7 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
FREEMAN JOSHUA M 1908 3 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
FREEMAN MARJORIE F 1906 5 Winchcomb Gloucestershire

1901
Edmund Freeman abt 1875 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Hanley William, Worcestershire

1901
Gertrudge A Freeman abt 1872 Hope Mansel, Herefordshire, England Head Aston Ingham, Herefordshire
Winifred Freeman abt 1900 Tenbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Aston Ingham, Herefordshire

Name: Edmund Freeman
Name: Gertrude Annie Jones
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 536

1891 Upper House
Freeman, Nathaniel abt 1843 Elmstone Hardwicke, Gloucestershire, England Head Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Freeman, Sarah A abt 1848 Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hope Mansel
Freeman, Edmund abt 1874 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Freeman, Florence abt 1882 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Freeman, Ida abt 1885 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Freeman, Joshua abt 1888 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Freeman, William abt 1879 Aston Ingham, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansel Herefordshire

Year: 1881
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: FREEMAN
Child_Forenames: Edmund
Fathers_Forenames: Nathan
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Gorsley
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: Edward H Sankey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 8 years of age
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 189
Parish_Chapel: Newent

Name: Edmund Freeman
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 253

Edmund FREEMAN 1873 Westbury on Severn

stephenmiller — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:35:19 +0000

i am looking for information on the freeman family - edmund freeman born 26/10/1873 westbury on seven. his father nathaniel freeman 1842 who died in ross in 1894. edmund married gertrude annie jones in july 1898 and they had several children in the 1900s - including marjorie clara may freeman born nov 1905 also from ross area.any further information about any of these people particularly edmund and nathaniel would be appreciated - we have the basic birth, death, marriage but not much else - any stories/personal information would be great - the family were farmers.