Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:54:57 +0000

Thanks but I will settle for helpful !

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

ellieperry — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:50:26 +0000

You've probabaly have heard every adjective to descibe your abilities, at the risk of repeating, you are amazing, thanks again slowhands.

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

ellieperry — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:10:54 +0000

I had a hunch. Some things never change, young people seem to quarrel of money and kids. Thank you Rachel I would very much like a copy emailed to me. Great-grandma Susan had a hard life. Her husband James died in a mining accident in Seymour Iowa in 1905, my grandmother Gladys never met her dad.
Ellie

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

rachellund — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:00:26 +0000

Got this from British library site but as it is not my password can't give you link, sorry.
Excuse my typing but couldn't paste it..damn snipping tool

I can scan it and email it to you directly if you like

Midland Railway
The British Mercury and Daily Post, (Bristol, England) Saturday March 7, 1891 Issue 13359
CHILD SUFFOCATED IN DEAN FOREST.
THE FATHER COMMITTED FOR MANSLAUGHTER.

Mr. M. F. carter, coroner, held and inquest on wednesday afternoon at the police station at Coleford, West Dean touching the death which occurred on the 1st inst,, of John James Bourne, son of James Bourne, collier, of Joyford, near Coleford.
Susan bourne, mother of the deceased, deposed that on Saturday night last her husband on reaching home pulled her hair and assaulted her, because she quarrelled with him about wages, and at length having put the child into bed she went away and slept that night at the house of a Mrs Barnett. She was away from the child , who was four months old, several hours. Next morning, she went back home, and noticed foam on the child's mouth. On waking, the child lay dead on her arms. Witness and her husband then told the police, when she told them untruths, saying she had been in bed with the child all that night. She made that statement because she did not wish it to be known that they quarrelled.
James Bourne gave similar evidence.
Elizabeth Barnett told the coroner that the mother of the decesed came to her house on Saturday night in her nightdress. She left the house at five o'clock, and half-an-hour afterwards returned and said the baby had died during the night.
Rose barnett deposed that at the woman's request she and a lodger went to try to pacify the husband,. They found him hiding under a hedge with a stick in his hand. He chased his wife, but she got away from him. When the wonan returned to the house, witness heard the husband call out to her and say the baby was dead. The child appeared to be well on Saturday evening.
Leslie Trotter, registered medical practitioner, deposed that he made a post-mortem on the child. He considered that there was evidence of a slow process of suffocation. The child had been overlain, or covered with clothes, or it might have turned over on its face and so became suffocated.
The coroner said it was evident the parents had been making wilful misstatements all through their evidence. No doubt the wife had done her best to screen her husband. He, the coroner, did not think any guilt attach to her, but the father at the least had been grossly and culpably negligent.
After half an hours deliberation, 10 jurymen were in favour of a verdict of manslaughter. The coroner addressed them, and in the enda verdict to that effect was returned.
The man was then, on the strength of the coroner's warrant, handed over to the custody of Supt. Ford.
Subsequently he was brought before a magistrate and remanded.

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

ellieperry — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:54:40 +0000

Yes sir, James and Susan BOURNE are my great-grandparents. James's mother Jane had him and his sister Julia before she married James AMBREY. Considering she is listed as being a spinster, I think James and Julia are illigitimate.

Record_ID: 2427
Entry_Number: 202
Year: 1870
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: AMBREY
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Joyford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: BOURNE
Brides_Forenames: Jane
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Joyford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bourne
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: William Holden
Witness_2: Martha Holden
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 101
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: A516
Soundex_Bride: B650

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:38:45 +0000

then this family

1881
James Ambury abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Ambury abt 1835 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Ambury abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Peter Ambury abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Ambury abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1889
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: BOURNE
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Joyford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Ambury
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Jane ?
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Susan
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Joyford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Thomas
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: James Evans
Witness_2: Clara Thomas
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: C. Barnes Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 174
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1891 Joyford Hill
James Bournes abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Bournes abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

followed by

1901 Nine Wells
James Amburg [AMBURY] abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Susan Amburg abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Jim Amburg abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Sydney Amburg abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Tom Amburg n abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

1905 Iowa census
James Ambrey 1905 Wayne
Susan Ambrey 1905 Wayne
Sidney Ambrey 1905 Wayne
Thomas Ambrey 1905 Wayne
James Ambrey 1905 Wayne
Roland Ambrey 1905 Wayne
Sizily Ambrey 1905 Wayne

1910 US census
Susan Ambry city, Wayne, info abt 1872 location relation
Sydney Ambry name city, Wayne, info abt 1894 location relation
Thomas Ambry name city, Wayne, info abt 1897 location relation
Roland Ambry name city, Wayne, info abt 1903 location relation
Leslie Ambry name city, Wayne, info abt 1905 location relation
Gladys Ambry name city, Wayne, info abt 1906 location relation

1915 Iowa census
Leslie Ambrizz Male White 1915 Wayne abt 1905
Gladys Amberg Female White 1915 Wayne abt 1906
Roland Amberg Male White 1915 Wayne abt 1903
Sidney Amberg Male White 1915 Wayne abt 1894
Susan Amberg Female White 1915 Wayne
Thomas Amberg Male White 1915 Wayne abt 1898

1925 Iowa census
Sidley E Ambrey Male White 1925 Woodbury abt 1894 Head
Neil B Ambrey White 1925 Woodbury abt 1898 Wife
Sydney E Ambrey Female White 1925 Woodbury abt 1924 Daughter

Name: Roland Bourne
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 284

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

ellieperry — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:30:58 +0000

Thanks slowhands. I believe this infant was one of my ggrandmother's children.
Susan (nee THOMAS) BOURNE, in the states she went by Susan AMBREY had seven children:
Sydney Edward b 1894 Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Bayhnum b 1898 Gloucestershire, England
James b 1899 Gloucestershire, England
Roland b 1903 The Pludds, England
Leslie Hubert b 1904 Seymour, IA
Gladys May b 1906 Seymour, IA

According to the 1910 US Census record Susan lists seven children being born and six of them living. I always wondered about the missing child. Gladys May was my grandmother.

John James BOURNE 1890 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:06:53 +0000

you could apply for a copy of his birth cert

Name: John James Bourne
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29

you could try to track down a newspaper report for the trial / inquest

< or SKS on this board could :-) >

may be linked to this family

1861
Record
James Ambury abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Joyford
James Ambrey abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Ambrey abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Ambrey abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Burns abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson West Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Burns abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
William Bourne abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Bella Bourne abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Bourne abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Bourne abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Bourne abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Bourne abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Wm Burns abt 1806 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriot Burns abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Burns abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Arabella Burns abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Burns abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Burns abt 1839 Brcknor, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Burns abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841
William Burns abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Burns abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Amelia Burns abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Burns abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Hannah Burns abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Harriet Burns abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Jane Burns abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
John Burns abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire

John James BOURNE b 1890

ellieperry — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:28:35 +0000

Where would one go to find out more about this record? I live in the states.

Record_ID: 89783
Entry_Number: 793
Year: 1891
Month: Mar
Day: 6
Surname: BOURNE
Forenames: John James
Residence: Joyford
Age_at_death: 4 Months
Officiating_Minister: C.Barnes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: This child was suffocated by his Father & he was tried for Manslaughter - Aquitted.
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page_No: 100
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B650