Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

honeysuckle — Sat, 22 May 2010 20:17:55 +0000

Hello Helen,

I don't actually know anything about Elizabeth's cause of death, but one of her sisters, Catherine, died even earlier at the age of about 15.

Best wishes

Honeysuckle

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

littlepinkone — Sat, 22 May 2010 18:06:56 +0000

Hi Honeysuckle,

Its nice to know that some of the information I have is of use. By chance, do you know what Elizabeth's cause of death was?

Best wishes,
Helen

Elizabeth PIMLEY 1855 Birmingham (reply)

honeysuckle — Sat, 22 May 2010 16:45:41 +0000

Hi slowhands

What a fantastic line-up of Pimleys! Thank you so much for all the trouble you have gone to.
Some of the data I already had, but I was never quite sure whether I had really got hold of "my" Pimleys. With your help I now have confirmation of the family links.
On the 1861 census, I found no mention of a Charles Pimley, though he appears on his father's death certificate. It was therefore interesting to see from your extract taken from the 1871 census that Charles was in fact the last-born child and the long-awaited son.

My thanks again to you and the forum.

Kind regards

honeysuckle

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

honeysuckle — Sat, 22 May 2010 16:27:45 +0000

Hi Helen,

Thank you so much for replying so quickly.
The information about the second marriage to Mary is of great interest to me, as the wedding must have taken place very shortly after the death of Elizabeth. The fact that Thomas married the elder sister seems perhaps to indicate that he was intent on doing his best for the sake of his children.

Thanks again for your help.

All the best.

honeysuckle

Elizabeth PIMLEY 1855 Birmingham (reply)

littlepinkone — Sat, 22 May 2010 15:54:20 +0000

Good grief Slowhands - thanks very much for that info :)

Elizabeth PIMLEY 1855 Birmingham (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 May 2010 14:56:57 +0000

1871 Bordesley Birmingham
Thomas Pimley 41
Catherine Pimley 40
Catherine Pimley 13
Joseph Pimley 6
Mary Ann Pimley 3
Charles Pimley 1
Elizabeth Pimley 16

1861
Thomas Pimley abt 1829 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Catherine Pimley abt 1831 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Elizebeth Pimley abt 1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Catherine Pimley abt 1857 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Martha A Pimley abt 1859 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Fanny Pimley abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire

Name: Elizabeth Pimley
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 237

Name: Thomas Pimley
Name: Catherine Hope
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 309

1851
William Hophins abt 1804 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Martha Hopkins abt 1805 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Thomas Pimley abt 1830 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son-in-law Aston, Warwickshire
Mary Tranter abt 1829 Willington, Shropshire, England Servant Aston, Warwickshire

1841
Thomas Pimley abt 1796 Warwickshire, England Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Pimley abt 1796 Warwickshire, England Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Pimley abt 1826 Warwickshire, England Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Pimley abt 1826 Birmingham, Warwickshire

THOMAS PIMLEY
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 SEP 1829
Christening: 19 SEP 1840 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS PIMLEY
Mother: MARTHA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C010729 1832 - 1834 0919771 Film 6900588 Film
C010729 1834 - 1839 0919772 Film 6900588 Film
C010729 1839 - 1842 0919773 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

THOMAS PIMLEY
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARTHA JONES
Marriage: 15 FEB 1822 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M010723 1796 - 1817 0919779-781 Film 6900689 Film
M010723 1817 - 1831 0919782, 0919783 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

THOMAS PIMLEY
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 JAN 1795 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH PIMLEY
Mother: MARY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C041793 1791 - 1803 0813713 Film 0933378 Film
Sheet: 00

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

littlepinkone — Sat, 22 May 2010 14:10:10 +0000

Hi there,

I directly descend from Thomas Gwilliam. All I know of the Pimley family is that Thomas married Elizabeth and then when she died he married her sister Mary. I don't have any other information Im sorry.

I havent any details of Gwilliams in Australia apart from Thomas Gwilliam who was transported as a convict in 1863.

Best wishes,

Helen

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

honeysuckle — Sat, 22 May 2010 12:25:55 +0000

Hello,

I have just read your posting on the marriage of Thomas Gwilliam and Elizabeth Pimley in 1875 and have seen that my great-grandmother Martha Pimley was one of the witnesses at the wedding. I know of other members of the Gwilliam Family in Australia. Which side of the family are you related to?

I am trying to trace the Pimley side of the family who also seem to come from a long tradition of licensed victuallers. Do you by any chance have any interesting details that you would be willing to share with me?

Kind regards,

honeysuckle

Thomas GWILLIAM 1852 , Berry Hill; Publican (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 May 2009 20:14:08 +0000

1911
GWILLIAM THOMAS M 1852 59 Monmouth Monmouthshire
GWILLIAM MARY F 1868 43 Monmouth Monmouthshire
and others

1901 Globe Inn Berry Hill
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mary Gwilliam abt 1868 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Henry Gwilliam abt 1884 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Fanny Gwilliam abt 1885 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Sydney Gwilliam abt 1888 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Bessie Gwilliam abt 1892 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Nellie Gwilliam abt 1894 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Herbert Gwilliam abt 1897 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Fred Pimley abt 1895 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Nephew West Dean, Monmouthshire

Name: Thomas Benjamin Gwilliam ?
Name: Mary Ann Fisher
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 36

1891
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Gwilliam abt 1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1879 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caleb Gwilliam abt 1881 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph H Gwilliam abt 1884 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth F Gwilliam bt 1885 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Gwilliam abt 1888 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Gwilliam abt 1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1879 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caleb Gwilliam Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jessie Taylor abt 1865 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Servant West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1875
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: GWILLIAM
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Gwilliam
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: PIMLEY
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Birmingham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Pimley
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Inn Keeper
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Tom Smith
Witness_2: Martha Pimley
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 132
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1871
Benjamin Gwilliam abt 1819 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1819 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1852 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1854 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Gwilliam abt 1862 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Adams abt 1788 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Benjamin Gwilliam abt 1819 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1819 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Maryann Gwilliam abt 1841 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Gwilliam abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Gwilliam abt 1850 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Gwilliam abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1854 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Benjamin Gwilliam abt 1818 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1819 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Caleb Gwilliam abt 1839 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1841
Benjamin Gwilliam abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Harriot Gwilliam abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Gwilliam abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1837
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: GWILLIAM
Grooms_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ADAMS
Brides_Forenames: Harriot
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Rudge
Witness_2: Hannah Adams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. W. Sheppard Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 307
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901 (reply)

littlepinkone — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:16:06 +0000

Yes thanks so much. The photos of Berry Hill RFC show my Grandfather's brother Jack Gwilliam and the earlier ones show his grandfather Thomas :)

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901 (reply)

shepway — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:02:41 +0000

Slowhands is referring to this Mike G.
Send me a message and I will communicate by email initially just to make sure we have the right family.
Also take a look at the Photo Gallery for Berry Hill:
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/berryhill/index.html

Mike

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901 (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:00:17 +0000

Look at Sungreen.co.uk for photos of Berry Hill RFC and Gwilliams.

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901 (reply)

littlepinkone — Wed, 06 May 2009 11:34:37 +0000

Yes thats my Dad Mike of Awre. He is just as puzzled. This family research has thrown a few 10ml spanners in the works!

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 May 2009 11:20:52 +0000

One for Mike G I rather suspect :-)

Gwilliams, Berry Hill RFC and coal mining in 1901

littlepinkone — Wed, 06 May 2009 11:02:43 +0000

I have just started to research my family history starting on my father's side. I am trying to find out some information about Thomas Gwilliam of The Globe Inn, Berry Hill. According to the 1901 Census he was a colliery owner. I am trying to find out which colliery he owned and also some information about Berry Hill RFC which he apparently set up and was run from The Globe. If anyone has any resources that I couls use or any links to sites with photographs I would be very grateful. It is a minefield of information and trying to work out facts and put dates together is very difficult when you're new at this!

Many thanks,

Helen