Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838

Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838 (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:43:47 +0000

Thanks Slowhands

As you say, Thomas is not with Zilpah in 1841 :

1841Census
Lilpah Mason abt 1811Dean Forest,
Ann Mason abt 1831 Dean Forest,
Joshan Mason abt 1832 Dean Forest,
Amelia Mason abt 1836 Dean Forest,
Noah Mason abt 1838 Dean Forest,

Jim Ashton

Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838 (reply)

Scott Shuster — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:13:32 +0000

I can confirm that Joseph MASON, was in fact a base child born to Zilpah MASON. This is my direct line - Thomas and Zilpah are my 3rd Great-Grandparents. I secured a copy of Joseph's birth registration from the GRO, and it lists no Father. In the "Name and Surname of Father" space is written "Illegitimate". No clue who might be the Father of Joseph. (Yet!)

Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:47:37 +0000

"Who is the daddy ?" part 2

Jim

It looks like it - I'm sure Thomas isn't in the 1841 census.

For completeness I thought I'd check Noah :-)

Year: 1837
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Noah
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Zilpah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Quarry man
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 176
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

seems to support Thomas's death between 1837 and 1841

1861
Phillips Nicholls abt 1811 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Zilpah Nicholls abt 1806 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Noah Mason abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Mason abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838 (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:17:07 +0000

Hi Slowhands

If Thomas died in 1838 - and I have no doubt that you are right, do we have another case of "Whose the Daddy" !! ?

1851 Census East Dean
95
MASON Zilpha Widow/er Seamstress 42 East Dean
Noah 14 Coal Miner East Dean
Joseph 10 East Dean

Year: 1842
Month: Mar
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Joseph
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Zelpha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Widow
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Zilpah Mason nee Chivers married Philip Nicols 27 Feb 1853 Parkend - Witness 1: Moses Robins Witness 2: Amelia Powell.

Jim Ashton

Thomas MASON 1804 - 1838 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:10:51 +0000

Year: 1787
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TIPPINS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both marked
Witness_1: John WILCE
Witness_2: Joseph HARPER
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Not in BT
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1804
Month: Nov
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1838
Month: Sep
Day: 21
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 34 years
Officiating_Minister: J.Chell
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Ann GRINDLE nee MASON 1829 ( d/o Thomas & Zilpha ) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:03:51 +0000

Year: 1829
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Lilpah [?]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Quarryman
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 92
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

marries William GRINDLE of Collafield in 1854
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=804

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

tracylynne444 — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:46:32 +0000

Just saying hi! :) Zilpha was my GGGG grandmother. Ann Mason (Grindle) was my GGG grandmother.

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

mcdonald74 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:53:22 +0000

Hello there just goin thru the forum researching Mason Barnard Tippins family i see that Zilpha Chivers is your ggg grandmother we must be distantly related as her husband Thomas,s son Noah was my Great Grandmothers Grandfather

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

rookancestrybest — Sun, 17 May 2009 05:20:18 +0000

The use of Old Testament names was something which non-Conformists, particularly Methodists, adhered to as part of their reaffirmation of the need to be familiar with The Bible.

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

Emma1 — Sun, 17 May 2009 00:49:54 +0000

Thanks for all of your replies.

Thomas Mason's father George married Mary Tippins who is my GGG Grandfathers sister.

I didn't realise that Ziplah was a biblical name, but thanks for all of the info.

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

reporter — Sat, 16 May 2009 23:01:34 +0000

On the 1861 census Noah Mason is recorded as a lodger - as is Charlotte Mason. There are emmumerators marks between them and Zilpah on the image. The Charlotte would have been Noah's wife, Charlotte Barnard (she is recorded as married) Noah was Zilpah's son.

Record_ID: 28319
Entry_Number:
Year: 1860
Month: Jun
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: Noah
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Parish of East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BARNARD
Brides_Forenames: Charlotte
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Parish of East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Lander
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

Regards
Bob

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

diresearch — Sat, 16 May 2009 10:30:40 +0000

Zilpah was the dau of Joseph Chivers and Amelia Baldwin and was born c1808 and died on 1 Jan 1871. I believe she had siblings Joseph, Elijah, Kezia and Jacob. Sometime before 1861 she second married a Philip Nicholls and was on the 1861 census living with Philip and son Noah and a daughter Charlotte Mason. There was also another son Joseph on the 1851 census.

Diane

MASON - FOLEY thread (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 16 May 2009 08:35:22 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=17842

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

eagleydo — Sat, 16 May 2009 08:25:23 +0000

Zilpah Chivers is my ggg grandmother, sister of Kezia mother of Ann, Jotham, Amelia and Noah. I have never found a positive connection to Winifred Foley. My tree has been involved 34 years of research and is fairly large. Are you related?

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers (reply)

bertha — Thu, 14 May 2009 06:20:45 +0000

'In the Book of Genesis, Zilpah is Leah's handmaid and the second concubine of Jacob and the mother of Gad and Asher.'
So yes Zilpah is a real name-Google is a wonderful invention!

Confirming your statement from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 31444
Entry_Number: 64
Year: 1828
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: CHIVERS
Brides_Forenames: Zilpah
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Joseph Chivers
Witness_2: Mary Herbert
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin A M Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Bride signs: Zilpah Chives
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell
Soundex_Groom: M250
Soundex_Bride: C162

Record ID 13280
Entry Number 734
Year 1829
Month Jun
Day 21
Parents Surname MASON
Child Forenames Ann
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Lilpah [?]
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Quarryman
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 92
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Record ID 13774
Entry Number 1228
Year 1835
Month Nov
Day 8
Parents Surname MASON
Child Forenames Amelia
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Zilpah
Mothers Surname
Residence Brierley
Occupation Stone cutter
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 154
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Record ID 13950
Entry Number 1404
Year 1837
Month Nov
Day 12
Parents Surname MASON
Child Forenames Noah
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Zilpah
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Quarry man
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 176
Parish Chapel Drybrook

1841 England Census
Lilpah Mason abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Mason abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Joshan Mason abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amelia Mason abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Noah Mason abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851 England Census
Zilpha Mason abt 1811 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Noah Mason abt 1837 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Mason abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Thomas Mason & Zilpha Chivers

Emma1 — Thu, 14 May 2009 04:35:01 +0000

I am trying to find some information on the above.

I believe that they married in 1828 on Feb 2nd but I am finding it hard to believe that Zilpha was a real name. Also need to find info of Zilpha's parents. Would this be Joseph and Amelia?

Am sure that there is a link from my Mason's to Winifred Foley but trying to unpick this is becomming a riddle!

Many Thanks,
Emma