Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William JAMES 1822/23 Parkend/Pillowell ?

William JAMES 1822/23 Parkend/Pillowell ? (reply)

pclark — Wed, 20 May 2009 02:45:07 +0000

Hmmmm one for pondering

Thanks

Pete

William JAMES 1822/23 Parkend/Pillowell ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 20 May 2009 00:38:41 +0000

why she left Phoebe behind

ideas :-

William was not the father
Sarah / William wanted a new life in South Wales
Sarah / William intended for the daughter to join them later when they were settled
etc
etc
etc

William JAMES 1822/23 Parkend/Pillowell ? (reply)

pclark — Wed, 20 May 2009 00:28:30 +0000

If the Sarah is right,which it seems to be, it then leaves, why she left Phoebe behind

Pete

William JAMES 1822/23 Parkend/Pillowell ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 20 May 2009 00:04:46 +0000

I wonder if this Sarah Ann's husband :-
mother Charlotte

Year: 1822
Month: Sep
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: D[avi]d Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Year: 1830
Month: Nov
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: of Pillo Well on the Extraparochial within the Hun
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Forenames: Charlotte
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: of Pillo Well on the Extraparochial within the Hun
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 1830 Nov 7 14 21
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Richard James
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Morse
Other_Witnesses: John Jones Clerk
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Marwood Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Banns are in P138 IN 1/10 page 28
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

1841 Pilowell
John Jinkins abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Charlette Jinkins abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William James abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John James abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Linkins abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Linkins abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Frederick Linkins abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

now in 1851 there is a John JAMES living not to far away from William and Sarah, with JENKINS family:-

could be this one
Year: 1827
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Hon. Revel Minister [?]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1851
Peter Jenkins abt 1805 Newland, Glamorgan, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Martha Jenkins abt 1811 Statoundea, Somerset, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Ann Jenkins abt 1830 Tredegar, Somerset, England Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Jenkins abt 1833 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Peter Jenkins abt 1839 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Thomas Jenkins abt 1839 Mytha, Glamorgan, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
George Jenkins abt 1846 Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
John James abt 1826 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

Year: 1806
Month: Mar
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: JENKINS
Child_Forenames: Peter
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: illeg[itimate] at Breem Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 28
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Sarah Ann CHILHAM marriage 1850 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 May 2009 23:54:32 +0000

Pete
Tredegar / Abergavenny are 12/15 miles apart so i guess thia is the area she settled in

regards
S

Sarah Ann CHILHAM marriage 1850 (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 23:37:24 +0000

I think you have cracked it Slowhands

Looked at the 1881 census and she is a widow living at 25 Market Place

Would explain why she wasn't at the workhouse.

Well Done

Pete

Sarah Ann CHILHAM marriage 1850 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 May 2009 22:59:14 +0000

a maybe ???

Name:Sarah Ann Chilham
on same page as

Name: William James
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Abergavenny
County: Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 61

Sarah Ann JAMES (nee ?) 1826- 1886 Woolaston (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 20:58:26 +0000

Slowhands

Good spot, a certain possible.

Will delve a bit a deeper and come back to you.

Thank you

Pete

Sarah Ann JAMES (nee ?) 1826- 1886 Woolaston (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 May 2009 20:41:34 +0000

Year: 1826
Month: Jul
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: SHELLUM
Child_Forenames: Sarah Ann
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woolaston
Occupation: Shoe maker
Officiating_Minister: C Bryan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston

I wonder ?

1851
William James abt 1823 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Ann James abt 1827 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1861 Market St Tredegar
William Jones abt 1823 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Ann Jones abt 1827 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Charlotte Jones abt 1858 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Annis Jones abt 1860 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1871
William James abt 1823 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah A James abt 1827 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Charlotte A James abt 1858 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Fredrick James abt 1863 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Alfred James abt 1866 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1881
Sarah Ann James abt 1827 Wolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire Wid
Fred Tom James abt 1863 Taredegar, Monmouth, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Alfred Mor. James abt 1866 Tredegar, Monmouth, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

Name: Sarah Ann James
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 87

Sarah SHILLAM 1826 Woolaston (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 12:25:58 +0000

Slowhands

Great help, a defo frustrating little devil. I am wondering if she died because it seems fuuny to leave Phoebe with her Grandparents for so long, unless she was either deported or in a lunatic assylum.

pete

Alfred (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:51:06 +0000

Hi Paul

Phoebe is listed with her Grandparents in Woolaston, she later married William Thorn (a Blacksmith). He is the Blacksmith of the Blacksmith Arms Alvington

My Shillams are from Woolaston. I have them as far back as 1798.

Slowhands you are on the right ones as Alfred is in my tree via George Lodge Shillam.

pete

Phoebe Shillum 1847 (reply)

Paul Andrews — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:45:04 +0000

Where was Phoebe in 1851 and 1861?

Alfred SHILLAM 1827 Woolaston (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:45:03 +0000

on the trail.....

1851
Alfred Shellam abt 1827 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Chepstow, Monmouthshire

Chepstow Union workhouse
Mounton Rd is in District 6a
The Master is Joseph Lewis a 50yr widow from Tidenham

there are about 6 pages of entries and I dont think she is there.

Joseph Lewis 50
Elizabeth Hodgson 33
Mary Ann Taylor 50
Jane Buttery 28
Elizabeth Taylor 89
William Cos 48
John Lewis 13
Thomas Stephens 14
John Dutheridge 7
Francis Williams 39
Margaret Carfienler 45
George Charles 4
James Thomas 64
Samuel Bennett 10
Hannah Taylor 38
Richard Taylor 13
Jane Martin 13
Ann Marse 40
Mary Ann Simmons 10
William Simmons 7
Mary Shephard 18
John Pedlingham 44
Caroline Hope 40
William Hope 9
Victoria Hope 1
Mary Ann Hughes 24
Mary Powell 60
Leonard Path 18
Margaret Howel 78
Ann Evans 31
George Evans 3
Richard William 20
Christopher Hulin 48
Richard Williams 45
Fredrick Davis 9
Samuel Davis 7
Ellen Jones 10
Sarah Powell 6
Eliza Powell 5
George Cole 66
James Reynolds 51
Samuel Wilkins 76
Elizabeth Edwards 8
Henry Edwards 7
Hannah Glynn 85
Thoas Ravenhill 11
William Powell 61
Rachael Davis 30
Mary Davis 12
William Davis 7
Albert Davis 1
Susan Buxton 31
Theresa Buxton 10
James Moxley 10
Harriet Attwell 8
Priscilla Attwell 4
William Jones 47
Francis Jones 19
Sarah Carpenter 12
Joseph Carpenter 9
Herbert Carpenter 6
Ann Edwards 22
Sarah Ann Edwards 14
Edward Watkins 28
James Jackson 85
Martha Jackson 70
Ellen Price 33
Henry Richard 33
Elizabeth Barrett 64
Richard Greening 10
Charlotte Jones 41
Mary Jones 9
Nathaniel Thomas 70
Mary Thomas 75
Ann Young 30
John Francis 69
Ann Harry 42
Mary Harry 5
Elizabeth Powell 34
Eliza Jones 20
Louisa Jones 1
Joseph Rice 18
William Ellis 67
Risa Young 35
William Young 16
Edward Jones 27
Susan Lewis 26
Thomas Lewis 2
Martha Williams 20
Martha Williams 1
John Evans 26
William Prosser 47
Ann Watkins 22
Mary Watkins 1
Charles Hulin 5
Henry Phillips 12
Ann Card 74
William Watkins 30
Phillip Williams 47
Elizabeth Williams 40

curved ball time

who is this ?

Name: Sarah Shellam
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 133

i think I can dismiss as this couple

1881
Robert Shelland abt 1821 Wiltshire, England Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Sarah Shelland abt 1831 Banwell, Somerset, England Wife Newport, Monmouthshire

Census of Chepstow Union Workhouse 1851 (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:24:02 +0000

Hi Chris

One thing I have to be careful of is the Shillams in that area all originate from the Tetbury area.
Have not found Sarah on the 1861 census yet.

Thanks for the help

Census of Chepstow Union Workhouse 1851 (reply)

ChrisW — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:07:28 +0000

A 'maybe' in Stroud?

Deaths Mar 1863
SHILLUM Sarah Ann Stroud 6a 255

Census of Chepstow Union Workhouse 1851 (reply)

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 10:11:28 +0000

Hi Slowhands

Sarah Shillam(various spellings)B 1826. gave birth to Phoebe Sarah Shillam(various spellings) 1847. Phoebe is listed on the 1851 and 1861 census living with her grandparents. So far no sight of Sarah.

Record_ID: 67762
Entry_Number: 97
Year: 1847
Month: Oct
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: SHILLUM
Child_Forenames: Phoebe Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Chepstow Union Workhouse
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: John Price Chaplain
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston
Soundex: S450
Record_ID: 68193
Entry_Number: 528
Year: 1865
Month: Mar
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: SHELLUM
Child_Forenames: Phoebe Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woolaston
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: William Somerset Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Aged 18 years
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston
Soundex: S450

Pete

Census of Chepstow Union Workhouse 1851 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 May 2009 10:00:35 +0000

I'm sure its on Ancestry - who are you looking for ?

Census of Chepstow Union Workhouse 1851

pclark — Tue, 19 May 2009 09:23:28 +0000

Evening

Would somebody have any info to this please?.

Pete