Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

Barbara B — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:08:27 +0000

Thanks fot that slowhands like you I am almost convinced she is a Brain, but also known as Rickards. Think I must have a strange family as I have also come across a Henry and Edwin Jacobs formerley Kear, it all gets a bit confuseing.

Barbara

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:47:03 +0000

From the transcriptions on this site I'm 90% sure she was BAPTISED as RICKARDS - her mother a BRAIN married a RICKARDS shortly after, and we have to assume she became known as RICKARDS-BRAIN.

1841
George Rickards abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah Rickards abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Rickards abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
George Ricketts abt 1814 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ricketts abt 1823 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Mary Ricketts abt 1840 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ricketts abt 1842 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Hannah Ricketts abt 1845 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Ellender Rickettsabt 1847 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Eliza Ricketts abt 1848 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Elizah Ricketts abt 1850 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels, Gloucestershire

netxt door to ( Sarah's parents - Mary's grandparents)
Richard Brain abt 1777 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Roseanna Brain abt 1781 Beckley, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire

1871
George Richards abt 1811 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Richards abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Richards abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Barnard Richards abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Abraham Richards abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Richards abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Richards abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Reuben Richards abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

Barbara B — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:02:30 +0000

Thanks admin for your help, the reason I'm trying to confirm her name is that I think she was the mother of my Grandfather who was a BRAIN (with no father named) so will have to keep looking.
Many thanks for all your help.

Barbara

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

admin — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:43:40 +0000

In looking at the record on the Family Search website it states the record as being Mary Richards BRAIN. If you dig a little deeper It also states, Extracted from microfilm copies of parish registers and bishop's transcripts

At a guess the IGI entry was taken from the Bishops Transcripts which often differs from the parish records from which our record was transcribed from and lists her as Mary RICKARDS

As our transcripts for this record were taken from microfiche so we would not be able to send you a copy of the entry. There does not however appear to be any reason to suggest that the record has been transcribed by us incorrectly.

You must remember that things were a lot different in that period of time to what they are today. It was very common then to see these type of differences on records.

Personally I would not be concerned with the differences you see on the records as everything points to Mary RICKARDS as being the daughter of George RICKARDS and Sarah BRAIN but to satisfy your own mind send for the birth certificate if you wish.

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

Barbara B — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:30:33 +0000

Have had a look at the images, and I am more confused than I was befor. I have also checked it out on the Family Search site and they show the baptism as Mary Richards Brain, with mother as Sarah Brain, there info was taken from film supplied by Gloucestershrie Records. Is it possable that the transcriber for the FOD still has a copy of the original entry that I could have a look at. I know on all the Census forms she is shown as Rickards or variations of the name. The only other option I have is to send for the Birth Certificate.

Many thanks for your help

Barbara

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:47:24 +0000

I think this is a "phantom" index entry

Name: Mary Rickards Brain
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 62

where as this is the real entry

Name: Mary Rickards Rickards
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 62

If you have access to the images check them out.

If it is a phantom its probably a submission by a researcher.

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

Barbara B — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:48:37 +0000

Thanks for that Slowhands, but if she was registered as Brain, why was she baptised as Rickards ?

Mary RICKARDS - BRAIN 1839 Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:08:53 +0000

This is the transcription of her Baptism in Lydney ( prior to her mothers marriage)

Year: 1839
Month: Sep
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: RICKARDS
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Priors Meen
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H. Hawkins Offic[iatin]g Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 176
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1839
Month: Oct
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: RICKARDS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: Of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Priors Mean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: RICKARDS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Ha[illegible]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: BRAIN
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: Of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Residence: Priors mean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: BRAIN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: The mark of Thomas Dorery
Witness_2: Mary Ann Summers
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Mary Brain (Rickards/Richards) 1839

Barbara B — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:48:00 +0000

I am trying to trace my g.grandmother Mary Brain. I have found her birth registration on the Ancestry site and she is listed as BRAIN Mary Rickards in July to Sep 1839. On the family search site her baptism is shown as Mary Richards Brain 8 Sep 1839 at Lydney, mother Sarah Brain, on the FOD site the baptism is recorded as Mary Rickards 8 Sep 1839 mother Sarah, does anyone know where I can find the orginal Baptism entry. I know Sarah Brain married a George Rickards on 5 Oct 1839.

Barbara