Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Charlotte E TREHERNE 1900

Charlotte E TREHERNE 1900 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:57:11 +0000

The Alice in 1911 is :-
Year: 1889
Month: Mar
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: TREHERNE
Child_Forenames: Alice
Fathers_Forenames: Walter
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Drybrook
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: Edwin W Wilson Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1901 Hazel Hill Drybrook
Walter Treherne abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Treherne abt 1850 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Treherne abt 1886 Hazel Hill East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Treherne abt 1889 Hazel Hill East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Churching (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:08:51 +0000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churching_of_women

In Christian tradition the Churching of Women is the ceremony
wherein a blessing is given to mothers after recovery from childbirth.
The ceremony includes thanksgiving for the woman's survival of childbirth,
and is performed even when the child is stillborn, or has died unbaptized.

It was formerly regarded as unwise for a woman to leave her
house to go out at all after confinement until she went to be churched.
In the UK and Ireland, new mothers who had yet to be churched were
regarded as attractive to the fairies, and so in danger of being kidnapped
by them. However, the origin of the church ritual is unrelated to these later
local superstitions, which accrued to it.

Charlotte Treherne (reply)

Jean Herbert — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:04:37 +0000

In reply to the question "What does it mean for a woman to be Churched"

My son was born 1n 1967 and my dear old gran was still alive. A devoted church goer and observant of all the rules and regulations regarding church procedure.
My first port of call to show off the new baby was my gran's house. She did not have a telephone but some internal radar must have told her I was on my way as she was waiting for me at the door, which was as far as I got. Before I could say anything she told me that she would not let me in until I had been "Churched" and don't bother going to Mrs Beoumonts as she won't let you in either", door slammed in my face.
Stunned and unsure what to do next, I trotted off to my friend round the corner who explained that to be "Churched" after the birth of a child meant to ask forgivness for the sin of conceiving a child, or something like that.
Knowing which side my bread was buttered, or should I say where the lovely crispy Yorkshire puddings and onion gravy came from, I soon got "churched".
I dont think they do this now, our local Vicar said he had never heard of it, but he is only a young pup anyway and would not know a good Yorkshire pudding from a frozen one.
Jean Herbert

Charlotte Treherne (reply)

lindawatkins501 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:32:55 +0000

Can you help me trace Charlotte Treherne born in 1900 to George and Sophia. Sophia Died in 1901. I have traced all the other children in this family buti cannot find any trace of CHarlotte. On the 1911 census there is a child called Alice of the correct age. but I still cannot trace either Alice or Charlotte. All the children moved to South Wales when the father George died in 1913. Have you any suggestions?

Thanks

TREHERNE family - Bream Meend 1841 (reply)

jimashton — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:14:40 +0000

Hi Slowhands

Thanks very much, I had the baptism but not the 1841 Census. I have found that the Treherne name can be spelt with quite a number of variations, which makes tracing them difficult.

I can understand that Walter & George Treherne could be lodging away in 1871, but it would be great to find them in 1861 as proof that they are brothers.

Not that it is significant, but Walter Treherne also married a Sophia - Sophia Jane Barnard 4 Jan 1885 Forest Church. Walter Treherne being the illegitimate son of Charlotte Treherne, married Sophia Jane Barnard, who already had an illegitimate son James Barnard :

1881 Census
Dwelling: Hasel Hill
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341608 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2521 Folio 81 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Mary TRIGG W 48 F Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Head
Henry TRIGG U 24 M Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Timothy TRIGG 9 M Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Allan TRIGG 7 M Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Thomas BROWN U 43 M Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Iron Miner
Walter TREHERNE U 26 M Drybrook East Dean
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Iron Miner

1891 Census Hazel Hill East Dean
RG12/2004/140
Walter Treherne 35 Miner Bream
Sophia 42 East Dean
Tom 5 East Dean
Alice 2 East Dean
note Mary Trigg who Walter was lodging with in 1881living next door

1901 Census Hazel Hill East Dean
Walter Treherne 43 Bream Coal Miner
Sophia 51 Drybrook
Tom 15 Coal Miner Hazel Hill
Alice 12 Hazel Hill
James Barnard Lodger 28 Coal Miner Drybrook **
** not shown on census but James was illegitimate son of Sophia Jane

1851 Census
127
BARNARD George 26 Coal Miner Forest of Dean
Sarah Jane 21 Newland
Sophia 1 East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
George Barnard 36 Coal Miner East Dean
Sarah J 31 East Dean
Sophia Jane 11 East Dean
George A 9 East Dean
Thomas 2 East Dean

1871 Census East Dean
2597/22
Sophia Daughter 21 Housekeeper East Dean
Thomas son 12 Coal Miner East Dean
Elizabeth 10 East Dean
Henry son 7 East Dean

1881 Census Image
Dwelling: Hasel Hill
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341608 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2521 Folio 82 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Sophia BARNARD U 31 F East Dean
Rel: Head
Henry BARNARD U 17 M East Dean
Rel: Brother
Occ: Coal Miner
James BARNARD 8 M Westbury, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elen MERRAY 2 F East Dean
Rel: Boarder

Jim Ashton

TREHERNE family - Bream Meend 1841 (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:12:17 +0000

Year: 1820
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: TREHORN
Child_Forenames: Charlotte
Fathers_Forenames: Joshua
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Hen. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1841 Bream Meend
Joshua Tresham abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Tresham abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Tresham abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Tresham abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

And the latter Charlotte

Name: Charlotte E Treherne
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 309

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

jimashton — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:26:29 +0000

Hi Linda

Thanks very much for the info on the birth certificate. Although I have almost 1000 certificates, my research on this line has been largely with parish records and sometimes this can be subjective. The real answer is a birth certificate.

My great grandfather Walter Treherne was born 8 July 1854 Bream Meands to Charlotte Treherne, his baptism 13 Apr 1855 shows Charlotte "Single Woman" Father Not Stated. It is probable that Walter Treherne and your Great Grandfather George 1857 are brothers.

I need to get back to the drawing board.

I note that George was a boarder in 1871, have you found the census detail for 1861 ?

Jim Ashton

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

lindawatkins501 — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:17:49 +0000

I think one of us has the wrong George Treherne. I have just received George birth certificate. My grandfathers father George was born 19/06/1857 to Charlotte Treherne . No father named on the birth certificate. I know that the Trehernes that lived in The rocks Joys Green are my correct family. William was my grandfather and Isaac who emigrated to Australia visited us in 1960. Also James family are still living locally near Caerphilly. I am also in contact with one of Lydias grandaughter. Hope this helps you.

Linda

TREHERNE family - (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:52:59 +0000

Hi Slowhands & Mike

This George is related but not the one you are looking for. He is the son of Joshua Treherne & Mary Jenkins married 31 March 1807 Lydney. Joshua Treherne is the son of George Treherne 1748 & Susanna White - see my other posting.

Joshua Treherne & Mary Jenkins also had a daughter Charlotte, who was my Great Great Grandmother, she had an illegitimate son Walter Treherne, obviously my Great Grandfather. Whilst searching the parish records the old fashioned way for her I came across this entry, fairly close to her baptism which you might find interesting, it certainly caused me to find out what "Churching of a Woman" meant :

Bream Chapel Rates at the time:
Burial of Parishioner 2s 6d
Burial of Forrester 6s 10d
Burial from another parish 15s 6d
Headstone 10s 6d
Tomb or Flatstone £1 1s 0d
Brick Grave £1 1s 0d
Burial in Chapel £10 10s 0d
Monument in Chapel £5 5s 0d
Churching of a Woman 1s 6d

My Grandfather contracted Scillicosis and the whole family moved to Croydon, where I was born. Apparently my Grandmother Jane Kate Treherne nee Marfell asked my mother if she had been "Churched" !!

Charlotte Treherne was lodging with Betty Beach in 1851, and it should be noted that her mother was Mary nee Jenkins and this was probably the connection as Betty Beach was nee Jenkins.

1881 Census
Dwelling: Bream Eaves
Census Place: West Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1342259 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5224 Folio 93 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charlotte TREHERNE U 62 F Bream, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Charwoman

Jim Ashton

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:01:46 +0000

Hi Linda

My grandfather was Tom Treherne who married Jane Kate Marfell.

George Treherne would be my 2nd cousin 3 times removed. He was baptised in Dymock 13 Feb 1853, his parents were William Treherne & Eliza Waslin :

1851 Census Redmarley
William Treherne 36 Ag Lab Dymock
Eliza 36 Dymock
Harriett 6 Redmarley

I have the children for George & Sophia as shown on the 1901 Census, but no further details. But we are obviously related.

Whilst most of my research has centred on the Marfell Family, I have of course also researched the Treherne family. I have details of George's ancestors going back to James White born abt 1686 (LDS record only) He was the grandfather of Susanna White 1750 who married George Treherne 1748. George Treherne 1748 being the father of George Treherne 1774 who married Lucy Williams, their son William 1821 was the father of George Treherne 1853 who married Sophia.

I would be happy to share the details I have. Perhaps you could email from the link here.

Jim Ashton

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

shepway — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:12:21 +0000

Sorry I missed 3 children in the 1901 Census. This has now been corrected.

I suspect the connection is this family from 1851 Census:
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
2444 0233 030 Sun Green BEACH Betty HD W 44 Pauper GLS Newland
2444 0233 030 Sun Green BEACH Emma DA U 14 - GLS West Dean
2444 0233 030 Sun Green BEACH Phillis DA U 10 - GLS West Dean
2444 0233 030 Sun Green BEACH William SO - 6 Scholar GLS West Dean
2444 0233 030 Sun Green TREEHERN Charlotte LG U 28 Charwoman GLS West Dean
2444 0233 030 Sun Green TREEHERN Alice LG - 5 - GLS West Dean

There are 5 JENKINS families nearby (one next door) including this one:
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS James HD M 59 Iron Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS Susanah WI M 54 - GLS West Dean
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS Thomas SO U 17 Iron Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS John SO U 15 Iron Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS Elizabeth DA U 13 Scholar GLS West Dean
2444 0234 041 Mill Hill JENKINS Charlotte DA - 10 Scholar GLS West Dean

Betty BEACH was Betty JENKINS. This is the marriage:
Year: 1831
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: BEACH
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JENKINS
Brides_Forenames: Betty
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Richard Wi[illegible]
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Beach
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 83
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

All circumstantial/coincidental.....

Mike

TREHERNE family - (reply)

shepway — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:42:01 +0000

You can eliminate this family.

George Frederic Treherne was born in Penallt and can be traced up to 1901 Census. His baptism is available from Parish Records on this site. He married Ann Phillips.

Mike

TREHERNE family - (reply)

lindawatkins501 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:11:20 +0000

Thanks for this information. Am looking into this'

Sophia COLLINS 1859 Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:10:28 +0000

Name: James Collins
Name: Prudence Harris
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 89

1851
James Collins abt 1822 East Hanney, Berkshire, England Head Woolhope, Herefordshire
Prudence Collins abt 1827 Sidbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Woolhope, Herefordshire
Sarah Collins abt 1849 Sidbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolhope, Herefordshire

1861
James Collins abt 1822 N Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rebecca Collins abt 1822 N Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Collins abt 1849 Ledbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Collins abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Collins abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Collins abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Name: George Gibbs
Name: Prudence Collins
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 471

1871
Prudence Collins abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Collins abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire d
Isaac Collins abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Collins abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Collins abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Ann Collins abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Prudence Gibbs abt 1831 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Collins abt 1863 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Collins abt 1865 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1870 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Morgan Gibbs abt 1874 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

lindawatkins501 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:07:53 +0000

thank you so much for this information. In 1901 there were three other children William Osborne (b1896) This is my grandfather who, I know nothing about. Martha (b1899) and charlotte (b1900). Sophia died in 1901. I had not been able to trace the family in 1881 Census. I can see why now. The spelling of the surname is different. I will get a copy of George Treherne birth certificate. It also seem that I have different date of birth for James. I have 1886.

Again thanks

TREHERNE family - (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:01:07 +0000

Mike

one to consider :-

Births Sep 1857
Trehern George Monmouth 11a 21

1851
George Trehern abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Apprentice Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
George Treherne abt 1825 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Penallt, Monmouthshire
Ann Treherne abt 1833 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Penallt, Monmouthshire
Emily Treherne abt 1856 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire
George F Treherne abt 1857 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Penallt, Monmouthshire
William Thomas Treherne abt 1858 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Penallt, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ann Treherne abt 1860 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire

1871
George Trehern abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Penallt, Monmouthshire
Ann Trehern abt 1833 Penallt, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Penallt, Monmouthshire
William T Trehern abt 1858 Penallt, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Penallt, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth A Trehern abt 1860 Penallt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

lindawatkins501 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:59:48 +0000

I would like to know more about George Treherne. H e was born about 1858 i think. in Bream. On his marriage certificate to Sophia in 1879 it says his fathers name was Thomas Jenkins (a miner). I cannot find a birth certificate for George Treherne. Any information about him would be useful.

Thanks

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

shepway — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:46:36 +0000

This appears to be the family referred to:
1901 Census
The Rocks, Joys Green
George Treherne abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Treherne abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George H Treherne abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Treherne abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac C Treherne abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Treherne abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James H Treherne abt 1892 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William O Treherne abt 1895 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha E Treherne abt 1899 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte E Treherne abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Camomile Green, Lydbrook.
George Treherne abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Treherne abt 1861 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Treherne abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia A Treherne abt 1883 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James H Treherne abt 1886 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac C Treherne abt 1888 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Treherne abt 1890 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

This is the marriage:
Marriages Dec 1879
Collins Sophia Monmouth 11a 54
TREHERNE George Monmouth 11a 54

1881 Census
Worral Hill, Lydbrook
Sophia Tremerne abt 1860 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Tremerne abt 1860 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Tremerne abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Census
Bream Eaves
Jane Redler abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Redler abt 1820 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Redler abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Redler abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Treehorn abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Watkins abt 1846 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire

This would appear to be his birth registration:
Births Sep 1857
Trehern George Monmouth 11a 21

I have not been able to trace George in 1861 Census and would suggest the Birth Certificate and/or Marriage Certificate be obtained to establish parentage.

Mike

TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook (reply)

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TREHERNE family - Camomile Green, Lydbrook

lindawatkins501 — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:14:14 +0000

Has anyone any information about the Treherne family who lived in camomile green in 1891. In 1901 there were living in The rocks cottages in Joys Green.