Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Adele F BURGESS 1888 = Adele F CROOME 1888

Adele F BURGESS 1888 = Adele F CROOME 1888 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:09:10 +0000

1891
Charles Burgers abt 1825 Frome, Somerset, England Head Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Eliza Burgers abt 1827 Frome, Somerset, England Wife Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Adelen F Burgers abt 1882 Gewelfield, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Caldicot, Monmouthshire

Name: Adela Florence Burgess
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

Year: 1888
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: BURGESS
Child_Forenames: Adela Florence
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Grove House (Mrs Harts)
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: William Shawcross Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:55:57 +0000

Do you think this means that Adele Croome is Adele Velati? I have found the Burgesses on the 1891 also in Caldicot (Adele F named as Burgess) but Charles was still there then so they must have moved from Somerset. There is a death for a Charles Burgess in 1894 Chepstow which ties in with Eliza being the Head in 1901. As I have said previously, Hilda Velati born March 1889 Croydon, sister of Adele, died Dec 1889 Chepstow so was possibly staying with the Burgesses in Caldicot whereas I was thinking she may have been with Susanna and George. I think Hilda must have been a twin with Mary Elizabeth also born March 1889 and died the same month. There was also another child Evelyn Mary born June 1891 who died in 1892.

I cannot find the Burgesses in 1881 in Somerset or Monmouthshire. Perhaps they moved around that time.

Perhaps when you have a minute you could look on the 1901 for Monmouthshire for George and Susanna Croome and see if there is anyone with them that would give us a clue. They are on the 1891 - just the two of them. Thanks for your help with this!

Sheila

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:34:20 +0000

I'm waiting with bated breath! I'm sure you will be putting the full entry on in a minute!

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:15:12 +0000

just found the 1901 - in Caldicot with Grandmother !!! ( updated in original thread)

1901
Eliza Burgess abt 1829 Frome, Somerset, England Head Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Adele F Croome abt 1889 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Caldicot, Monmouthshire

Name: Eliza Burgess
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 81
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 4

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:13:16 +0000

I am swimming in paper here trying to piece together these families - maybe I need a few worms to eat it all up!

It does seem strange that there does not appear to be a baptism for either Adele Florence or Ralph under Croome on the Parish Registers. Also I have checked freebmd and no birth is recorded for either anywhere. However, both marriages are recorded and there is about a 13 year gap between their ages.

I am sure we will eventually solve this puzzle - fingers crossed!

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:39:41 +0000

Can of worms ? - seems to be a speciality !!!

it does seem rather strange when these records turn up !

Year: 1958
Month: Nov
Day: 22
Surname: BROOKES
Forenames: Charles Maddox
Residence: The Rocks Clearwell
Age_at_death: 73 years
Officiating_Minister: J.R.Roberts Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/8
Page_No: 95
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

Year 1912
Month Jun
Day 2
Parents Surname BROOKS
Child Forenames Bertram George
Fathers Forenames Charles Maddock
Mothers Forenames Adele Florence
Mothers Surname
Residence Clearwell
Occupation Quarry Man
Officiating Minister W Robinson
Event Baptism
Memoranda April 11 1912
Notes The date in the Memoranda column is probably the birth date.
Register Reference P88 IN 1/3
Page Number 81
Parish Chapel Clearwell

Year 1915
Month Sep
Day 14
Parents Surname BROOKS
Child Forenames Leonard Charles
Fathers Forenames Charles Maddock
Mothers Forenames Adele Florence
Mothers Surname
Residence Clearwell
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister W Robinson
Event Baptism
Memoranda June 28.15
Notes The date in the Memoranda column is probably the birth date. Page Nos 90 - 99 were incorrectly numbered. The page number used here is the amended number.
Register Reference P88 IN 1/3
Page Number 95
Parish Chapel Clearwell

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:33:02 +0000

You have opened a can of worms here Slowhands! I had missed the Velate/Patterson marriage. However, it is spelt slightly differently so could be a different family. Will have to make an urgent phone call tonight to see what I can find out. Will have to check to see where she was on the 1901 Census. Have you got the 1901 Census for Monmouth - it is not on Findmypast yet?

VELATI - CROOME/BURGESS (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:05:16 +0000

1881
Mary E. Burgess abt 1857 Radstock, Somerset, England Servant Marylebone, London

Name: Mary Elizabeth Burgess
Name: Joseph Antonio Velati
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 658

Name: Adele Florence Velati
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Croydon
County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 216

Name: Hilda Velati
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Croydon
County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 203

Name: Hilda Velati
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 0
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1

1891 Crystal Palace London
Antonio Velati abt 1857 Sestocaleadi, Italy Head Penge, London Coffee shop owner
Elizabeth Velati abt 1857 Radstock, Somerset, England Wife Penge, London
Lilla Velati abt 1885 London, England Daughter Penge, London
Adele Velati abt 1887 Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Penge, London
Velati abt 1891 Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Penge, London
Lizzie Walter abt 1873 Abworth, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Penge, London
Annie Bargess abt 1875 Abworth, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Penge, London

{ I think Anne BURGESS is a niece to Elizabeth - father possibly Joseph BURGE of Paulton Somerset
Name: Anne Burge
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 620 }

1901
Antonio Velati abt 1857 Ita Ital Subj Head St James, London
Elizabeth Velati abt 1857 Radstock, Somerset, England Wife St James, London
Lilla Velati abt 1885 London, England Daughter St James, London
Ellen Carmody abt 1881 Herefordshire, England Servant St James, London

1891
1891
Charles Burgers abt 1825 Frome, Somerset, England Head Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Eliza Burgers abt 1827 Frome, Somerset, England Wife Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Adelen F Burgers abt 1882 Gewelfield, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Caldicot, Monmouthshire

1901
Eliza Burgess abt 1829 Frome, Somerset, England Head Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Adele F Croome abt 1889 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Caldicot, Monmouthshire

2 marriages to consider !!Year: 1911
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: BROOKES
Grooms_Forenames: Charles Maddox
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Clearwell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brookes
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: CROOME
Brides_Forenames: Adele Florence
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Hewelsfield
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Croome
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: George Croome
Witness_2: Gertrude Ella Burfell[?] BURGESS ?
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: D. Ashurst Saunders Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 135
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1911
BROOKES CHARLES MADOX M 1885 26 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BROOKES ADELE FLORENCE F 1889 22 Monmouth Monmouthshire

In 1911 - is this another child ?
BROOKES DONALD FREDERICK CHARLES M 1911 1 MONTH Monmouth Monmouthshire
Name: Donald F C Brookes
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 20

and/or

Name:John C Paterson
Name: Adele F Velate
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Paterson
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 1533

Name: John K C Paterson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Velate
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1526

Name: Basil C C Paterson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Velate
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1924
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 956

Publow near Radstock - coincidence ???

1901
George S Croome abt 1869 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Susanah Croome abt 1866 Publow, Somerset, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Name: Susannah Burgess
Name: George Smith Croome
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 9

Name: Adela Florence Burgess
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

1881
Susan Burgess abt 1864 Pensford, Somerset, England Servant North Meols, Lancashire

1871
Charles Burgess abt 1825 Frome, Somerset, England Head Pensford, Somerset
Eliza Burgess abt 1826 Frome, Somerset, England Wife Pensford, Somerset
Charles Burgess abt 1850 Frome, Somerset, England Son Pensford, Somerset
Frank Burgess abt 1858 Publow, Somerset, England Son Pensford, Somerset
George Burgess abt 1861 Publow, Somerset, England Son Pensford, Somerset
Harry Burgess abt 1863 Publow, Somerset, England Son Pensford, Somerset
Susanna Burgess abt 1865 Publow, Somerset, England Daughter Pensford, Somerset
William Burgess abt 1867 Publow, Somerset, England Son Pensford,

1861
Charles Burgess abt 1826 Frome, Somerset, England Head Publow, Somerset
Eliza Burgess abt 1827 Frome, Somerset, England Wife Publow, Somerset
John Burgess abt 1848 Frome, Somerset, England Son Publow, Somerset
Charles Burgess abt 1850 Frome, Somerset, England Son Publow, Somerset
Elizabeth Burgess abt 1856 Radstock, Somerset, England Daughter Publow, Somerset
Frank Burgess abt 1858 Publow, Somerset, England Son Publow, Somerset
George Burgess abt 1860 Publow, Somerset, England Son Publow, Somerset

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:47:08 +0000

Dennis

Have just done a bit more looking and found that Mary Elizabeth and Susanna Burgess were, in fact, sisters. Mary (seems to be known as Elizabeth)states on the census after her marriage that she was born in Radstock, Somerset and her birth is registered Clutton 1855 and Susanna registered Clutton 1864. I have checked the Censuses and they were daughters of Charles and Eliza Burgess living at Pensford which would come under the Clutton area and is just down the road from where we live in Bristol. Now we just need to find out why/how Adele ended up with George and Susanna.

Sheila

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:18:29 +0000

Hi Dennis

Thanks for that information. Albert Brookes was actually Bertram George, known as Bert, and was my husband's uncle by marriage to Ruth Selby. His daughter is the one who told me about Adele Velati. I believe that Antonio Velati possibly married a Mary Elizabeth Burgess in Chelsea in 1884. This links in very well with George Smith Croome and Susannah Burgess who married in Chepstow in Dec 1889 and probably explains why the death of one of Adele's sisters is registered in Chepstow. It could well be that Adele was adopted by George and Susannah, Susannah being Adele's aunt. I will try and speak to Bert's daughter soon anad see what more she knows. All I remember her telling me some years ago was that his mother's surname was Velati and at that time I could find nothing but as I said previously, I have now found what I think is her birth in London.

Will let you know if I find anything more which will solve this puzzle.

Sheila

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

DennisCroome — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:23:23 +0000

Hi Sheila
In answer to the Charles Brookes thoughts - this is what I have:
George Croome, born June 1868 at Hewelsfield, baptised at Hewelsfield on 14th June 1868. He married Susannah Burgess in December 1889. I do not know where the marriage took place.
George & Susannah had two children Adele and Ralph (a suggestion has been made that Ralph may have been adopted). Adele married Charles Brookes and Ralph married an Anne.
Adele & Charles had two children: Albert and Leonard.
Ralph & Anne had Peter, again, who who may have been adopted.
Your story about a French connection is fascinating. My father used to speak about this possibility because we have a Delahaye connection in our family. A good story, but no real evidence!
Regards
Dennis Croome

Emma CROOME nee RENNIE nee SMITH- Eastington 1835-ish (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:48:09 +0000

1841
George Smith abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Hannah Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire

1851
George Smith abt 1805 Barden, Gloucestershire, England Head Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Smith abt 1806 Frocester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Emma Smith abt 1834 Cartington, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Hannah Smith abt 1837 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston, Monmouthshire
George Smith abt 1838 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Albert Smith abt 1843 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Samuel Smith abt 1845 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Monmouthshire
John Smith abt 1849 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Monmouthshire
Samuel Smith abt 1851 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Monmouthshire

Year: 1858
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: RENNIE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: Full Age
Groom_Condition: batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: tailor
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Rennie
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: tailor
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Emma Charlotte
Brides_Age: Full Age
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: boot maker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Geo Smith Senr
Witness_2: Sarah Bond
Other_Witnesses: Geo Smith Junr
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Monmouth

1861
William Rennie abt 1835 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Emma Rennie abt 1835 Easinton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Rennie abt 1859 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Henry W Rennie abt 1860 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woollaston, Gloucestershire

Daniel CROOME - Hewelsfield 1830- 1890 Stone Mason (reply)

DennisCroome — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:26:35 +0000

Thank you for all the interest and queries.
The last reply by 'slowhands' more or less has all the dates that I have.
I can add:
Daniel Croome married a Caroline Croome (cousin?) on 19th December 1857 at Woolastone. It would appear that Caroline died a few months after child birth in March 1859 having given birth to a daughter, also called Caroline, in December 1858.
Daniel Croome's 2nd marriage was to: Emma Charlotte Smith (who was a widow) on 13th October 1863. Their children were Eliza 1868, Ellen 1866, Emma 1879, Jesse 1873, Albert 1876 (mu grandfather), William 1879, Hubert 1875.

Going back to Daniel Croome (senior) birth about 1772, death 30th April 1833. He appears to 'married' to Ellen / Elenor Cellens who died in 1869.

Does this help / clarify previous comments?
Thanks
Dennis Croome

Daniel CROOME - Hewelsfield 1830- 1890 Stone Mason (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:46:35 +0000

Year: 1830
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: CROOME
Child_Forenames: Daniel
Fathers_Forenames: Daniel
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brockwear Common
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 6
Notes: left margin
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 50
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1841
Eliza Crome abt 1798 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Ellinor Crome abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Dannial Crome abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1851
Elenor Croome abt 1796 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Daniel Croome abt 1830 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1861 Hudnalls
Elenor Croom abt 1795 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire Widow
Daniel Croom abt 1825 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire Mason

1871
Daniel Crooms abt 1831 Hewelsfield Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Emma Crooms abt 1815 Easinting, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Eliza Crooms abt 1865 Hewelsfield Daughter Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Elan Crooms abt 1866 Hewelsfield Daughter Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Gorge S Crooms abt 1869 Hewelsfield Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Emmet Crooms abt 1870 Hewelsfield Daughter Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Reme abt 1860 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Stepdaughter Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1881
Daniel Croome abt 1831 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Emma Chartte Croome. abt 1835 East Enton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
George Smith Croome abt 1869 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Emma C. Croome abt 1871 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Jesse Danl. Croome . abt 1873 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Albert Smith Croome abt 1877 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
William Smith Croome abt 1879 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Year: 1890
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Surname: CROOME
Forenames: Daniel
Residence: Hewelsfield Common
Age_at_death: 59
Officiating_Minister: William Shawcross Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/6
Page_No: 83
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1891
Emma C Croome abt 1836 Eastington, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Jesse D Croome abt 1873 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Albert S Croome abt 1877 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
William T Croome abt 1879 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1901 on Common next door to SELBY
Emma C Croome abt 1836 Evanton, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Hannah Adams abt 1820 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Mother Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Jane Adams abt 1851 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

bertha — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:42:27 +0000

I think we need further clarification on some other points as well.
In your post you state that Daniel Croome died in 1863.
On your Family Tree on Ancestry you state that Daniel died in 1890.
You have information regarding who he married and the children they had.
Can you clarify the information that you are looking for, and confirm which are the correct dates.
Thanks

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:21:38 +0000

Hi Bertha

What we really need to find is a marriage between Ellen and Daniel or maybe there wasn't one. As I have said to Dennis, I found the two children but no marriage.

Sheila

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:19:11 +0000

I have just looked back at your message? Is there a mistake on the year of birth of your gggrandfather - 1712 - should it be 1792? There is a Daniel Croome born that year to Richard and Mary at Woolaston. If he died in 1833 he would be 121 years old! Your great grandfather appears to be the Daniel with Ellena and Liza on the 1841 Census but I have been unable to find a marriage between Daniel and Ellena. There are baptisms for about 7 children whose parents were Daniel and Emma Charlotte between 1864 and 1876 but according to your dates he cannot be one of your two Daniels. Perhaps you can clear up the mystery for me.

Sheila

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

bertha — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:17:56 +0000

Baptisms taken from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 31255
Entry_Number: 709
Year: 1830
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: CROOME
Child_Forenames: Daniel
Fathers_Forenames: Daniel
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brockwear Common
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 6
Notes: left margin
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 50
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Soundex: C650

Record_ID: 31256
Entry_Number: 710
Year: 1830
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: CROOME
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: Daniel
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brockwear Common
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 50
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield
Soundex: C650

1851 England Census
Elenor Croome abt 1796 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Daniel Croome abt 1830 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons (reply)

selbyfamily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:44:24 +0000

Hi Dennis again!

I too am interested in the Croomes for a couple of reasons. Harriet Selby (1820) had a presumably illegitimate son, George (1840). On the 1841 Census he appears to be fostered with Elinor Crome (40) and Eliza (13) and Dannial(10) at
Extra Parochial, Brockweir Common. Elinor Croom is also given as a witness at the marriage of John Selby and Jane Darby. As you probably know, the Selbys were also Masons living at Hewelsfield. According to their baptisms, the father of Eliza and Dannial was Daniel Croom (without checking I think that is right). However, I have not been able to find a marriage between Elinor (Ellen)and Daniel - in fact, there is a Daniel married to someone else on the Parish Records.

The second reason is that Charles Maddox Brooks married Adele Florence Croome in 1887 and had two children one of whom was married to my husband's aunt. On the marriage certificate it states that Adele's father was George Croome, a mason. I was told by my husband's cousin that her grandmother was either French or Italian. In the last few days I have been checking this although I have not spoken my cousin yet to see if she knows any more. I have found an Adele Florence Velati born in London to an Italian father and I think she may well be Adele Florence Croome. There appears to be a Velati sister who died in Chepstow although the rest of the family appear in London.

I have not gone into this too deeply as I didn't want to go off at too much of a tangent - as the Brook(e)s are only indirectly related through my husband's aunt but I have got really interested in this story and whether maybe Adele was adopted by the Croomes for some reason.

Sorry I can't be more help with the Croomes but maybe you know something that will help me put this family togeher.

Sheila

Croome - Hewelsfield 19th Century Stone Masons

DennisCroome — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:07:35 +0000

My great grandfather Daniel Croome (1830-1863) and my great great grandfather, also named Daniel Croome (1712-1833) were both Stone Masons in Hewelsfield. Their graves are at Hewlelsfield churchyard. I would be very interested if anyone has information about these folk.
Regards
Dennis Croome