Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Phillip POWELL, b abt 1832, Wonastow, MON

Phillip POWELL, b abt 1832, Wonastow, MON (reply)

Rebecca S — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:57:56 +0000

yeah, you might be onto something :)

I guess anything could be possible at this stage!

Phillip POWELL, b abt 1832, Wonastow, MON (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:07:29 +0000

Only 4 years older than Maria Pugsley rather than 14 years :-)

1861
Philip Powell abt 1822 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Llandaff, Glamorgan
Maria Powell abt 1836 Welton, Somerset, England Wife Llandaff, Glamorgan

Phillip POWELL, b abt 1832, Wonastow, MON (reply)

Rebecca S — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:32:50 +0000

Hmm, could be but the age would make him quite young ...

I think that you are right though about the marriage between Jane and Philip - the dates seem to fit into place.

I suppose the only way I'd figure is through some birth certs.

Thanks :)

Rebecca

Phillip POWELL, b abt 1832, Wonastow, MON (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:17:25 +0000

I wonder if there is some confusion with Woolaston and Wonastow ?

1841
Ann Powell abt 1754 Monmouthshire, Wales Wonastow, Monmouthshire
George Powell abt 1766 Monmouthshire, Wales Wonastow, Monmouthshire
Wm Powell abt 1786 Monmouthshire, Wales Wonastow, Monmouthshire
Phillip Powell abt 1796 Monmouthshire, Wales Wonastow, Monmouthshire
Phillip Powell abt 1832 Monmouthshire, Wales Wonastow, Monmouthshire

Phillip POWELL b abt 1856 Cardiff/Newport (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:07:16 +0000

added "my suspects" into the prior response...

Phillip POWELL b abt 1856 Cardiff/Newport (reply)

Rebecca S — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:54 +0000

I've been using ancestry too - so you got the marriage from that site? I must be going blind because I spent a while looking through all the records. Although I was imagining that he was married a bit later mid 1840's and I was probably thinking of the wrong region.

I think that this is the birth cert for Mary Powell -
Merthyr T, Sep 1851.

Sometimes it's easier searching for birth certs on freebmd I think.

Phillip POWELL b abt 1856 Cardiff/Newport (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:40 +0000

Searching Ancestry and FreeBMD at this stage :-)

1861
Philip Powell abt 1822 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Llandaff, Glamorgan
Maria Powell abt 1836 Welton, Somerset, England Wife Llandaff, Glamorgan
Mary Powell abt 1852 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan
Philip Powell abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llandaff, Glamorgan
Eliza Powell abt 1858 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan
Amelia Powell abt 1861 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan

1871
Edward Evans abt 1839 St Mellons, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Maria Evans abt 1836 Wilton Courtnar, Somerset, England Wife Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Edward Evans abt 1870 Canton Nr Cardiff Son Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Mary Powell abt 1852 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Phillip Powell abt 1855 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Powell abt 1858 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Amelia Powell abt 1861 Canton Nr Cardiff Daughter Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan

Name: Mary Jane Vizard
Name: Philipp Powell
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 281

1881
Phillip Powell abt 1857 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Head Penarth, Glamorgan
Mary J. Powell abt 1859 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Penarth, Glamorgan
Minie Powell abt 1880 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Penarth, Glamorgan
Agness Powell Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Penarth, Glamorgan

1891
Phillip Powell abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Head Cogan, Glamorgan
Mary Jane abt 1858 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Cogan, Glamorgan
Minnie Powell abt 1879 Cogan, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Agnes Powell abt 1881 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Charles Powell abt 1883 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Son Cogan, Glamorgan
Maria Powell abt 1889 Cogan, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan

1901
Phillip Powell abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Head Cogan, Glamorgan
Minnie Powell abt 1880 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Maria Powell abt 1890 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Powell abt 1899 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan

Phillip POWELL b abt 1822, Woolaston (reply)

Rebecca S — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:42:45 +0000

Hi slowhands,

That seems to make some some sense a marriage between Jane and Phillip. Their first child Mary was born abt. 1852 - so and 1851 marriage would fit.

Thankyou very much :)

Yes, I know - I need to locate the birth certs of their children but some of them are hard to locate with the family moving around alot between the births of their children so it's hard to be 100% sure if it's the right one.

I still can't find any baptism records which is frustrating.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. I hope that you don't mind me asking where you found the information?

Thanks :) Rebecca

Phillip POWELL b abt 1822, Woolaston (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:23:10 +0000

long shot for first wife :-
( info from birth certs for Philip Powel 1856 ish could be very helpful to you )

Marriage

Name:Jane Jones
Name: Philip Powell
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Brecknock
County: Breconshire, Powys
Volume: 26
Page: 361

possible death of spouse

Name: Jane Powell
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 102

2nd wife

1841
Geo Pugsley abt 1796 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Mary Pugsley abt 1801 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Samuel Pugsley abt 1826 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
John Pugsley abt 1826 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Eliza Pugsley abt 1831 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Maria Pugsley abt 1833 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
George Pugsley abt 1837 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset

1851
George Pugsley abt 1798 Whitney Coarting, Somerset, England Head Resolven, Glamorgan
Mary Pugsley abt 1798 Laksborough, Somerset, England Wife Resolven, Glamorgan
Maria Pugsley abt 1836 Whitney Coasting, Somerset, England Daughter Resolven, Glamorgan

suspects :-

Name: Mary Powell
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 26
Page: 480

Name: Philip Powell
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Crickhowell
County: Breconshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 121

Name: Philip Powel
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Neath (1837-1970)
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 420

Name: Eliza Powell
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 173

Name: Maria Pugsley
Name: Philip Powell
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 290

suspects
Name: Edward Evans
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 239

Name: Edward John Evans
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 218

Phillip Powell, b abt 1822, Woolaston (reply)

Rebecca S — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:39:04 +0000

Hi,

Thankyou for that!

Hmm, Phillip Powell would have only been in early 20's in 1844 so I can't imagine he would have been a widower. The occupation's don't really fit either - as he was working as an Excavator 1861 so I assume that has something to do with mining.

I did another search on this website and found a marriage between Phillip Powell and Mary Pritchard 1838 ... although this one would be a little early unless the age of Philip Powell on cesus is wrong and he was actually older.
Mary was from Wyeson Parish, Monmouth, and Philip Powell was living in Newnham.

Another possibility is that he was married in Wales.

I still can't locate any baptism record though.

Thankyou :)

Rebecca

Phillip Powell, b abt 1822, Woolaston (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:30:23 +0000

More info on the Berkeley marriage from Scribe's Alcove. This Philip was a widower.

MARRIAGE: 18 Nov 1844 at Berkeley

GROOM BRIDE
NAME: Philip Powell Sarah Ann Webster
AGE: Full Age Full Age
STATUS: Widower Spinster
OCCUPATION: Merchant
ABODE: Berkeley Berkeley
FATHER: Thomas Powell Swan Webster
FATHER'S OCCUPATION: Merchant Innholder

WITNESSES: Swan Webster Catherine? Haylard?

Phillip Powell, b abt 1822, Woolaston

Rebecca S — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:18:46 +0000

Hi,

I am searching for any records on Phillip Powell b. abt 1822 in Woolaston.

The only record I have of him is from 1861 census

Where he is living in Llandaff, Wales, with second wife Maria and children -
Mary 9, Phillip 5, Eliza 3, Amelia 2 months. He was working as an Excavtor. He list his place of birth as Woolaston, Gloucestor.

I have seacrhed this site + ancestry for any parish records for his birth/chirstening but have found none. He does not seem to exist in 1851 or 1841 census. I am also searching for his first wife who is the mother of his first 3 children, but I have not found anything there either.
One possible marriage I found on Latter Day Saints website -
Phillip Powell and Sarah Ann Webster, Nov. 1844, Berkley, Gloucestor.

If anyone one is searching for the same people or might be able to help find any information I would really appreciate it :)

Rebecca