Forest of Dean FHT Forum - More EVANS to YORK

More EVANS to YORK (reply)

reporter — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:57:26 +0000

I believe Hannah York 1780 had a brother William YORK who married a Sarah EVANS. Their son John is a York in most records, but Evans on 1861 census. John's son Timothy starts as a York but becomes Timothy Evans York by his second marriage to Elizabeth Russell in 1910. His children also have Evans as middle name......

Located George Evans/York in 1891 (reply)

reporter — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:48:45 +0000

He's living with son Ben and Ben's second wife Rosamund(?) in Aberstruth. Indexed FORK and ZENK. Also there are Daughter Myra?Mira?Miriam/Myrna married to her rather older husband James (indexed Pumeo)Preece. Simple family!

Ben Zenk Head 35 abt 1856 Male Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Rosamond Zenk Wife 34 abt 1857 Female Brokend Gloucestershire England
Alfred Zenk Son 10 abt 1881 Male Monmouthshire Wales
Amelia Zenk Daughter 8 abt 1883 Female Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Thos Zenk Son 6 abt 1885 Male Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Ernest Zenk Son 3 abt 1888 Male Bickurse Gloucestershire England
Wm Zenk Son 2 abt 1889 Male Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Geo Fork Visitor 72 abt 1819 Male Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Pumeo Preece Lodger 65 abt 1826 Male Berry Hill Gloucestershire England
Myrna Preece Lodger 33 abt 1858 Female Berry Hill Gloucestershire England

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

Emma1 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:12:53 +0000

Hi Julie,

I have the same info as you. Mary Evans was the first born to George and Margaret and she was born in Glamorgan. Their other children were born in either Northumberland or Lancashire. They had Mary, Daniel,George, Sarah, Thomas,Mariam and Moses.

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

julietippins — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:52:52 +0000

I have George Evans married to Margaret Tippins on 1 November 1842. They have 7 children. The First child Mary born in glamorgan and the others born either Northumberland or Scotland

Julie

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

Emma1 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:00:03 +0000

Richard Tippins was the father of Margaret. Margaret was my GG Grandmother's sister.
Margaret married George Evans so I cannot see how their surname would then become York even if Margaret's mothers maiden name was York, this would be very unusual.
The Yorks must be another family altogether.

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

shepway — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:13:21 +0000

Margarets parents were Richard Tippins baptised 2 Mar 1785 & Hannah YORK baptised 1 Mar 1781. They married 19 Oct 1808 Newland. But I expect you know all this and it was not your question. I cannot believe the family would have changed surnames to match a mother in law, so think the York finding a red herring.

I have to disagree as there is much evidence to be satisfied that this is the same family. In particular I would draw your attention to the following Parish Register entries:

1851 EVANS-YORK Noah Baptism Christchurch
1879 EVANS-YORK Mary Anne Marriage Christchurch
1887 YORK John Evans Burial Christchurch
1888 YORK Elizabeth Evans Burial Christchurch
1945 YORK William Thomas Evans Burial Christchurch
1893 YORK William Evans Marriage Christchurch
1910 YORKE Timothy Evans Marriage Christchurch
1884 YORKE Myra Evans Marriage Christchurch
1901 YORKE Mary Louisa Evans Marriage Christchurch
1909 YORKE Gertrude Lena Evans Marriage Christchurch
1869 YORK Harriet-Evans Marriage Clearwell

Mike

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:56:02 +0000

As you state the marriage in 1842 was between George Evans & Margaret Tippins:

Transcript Details

Record_ID: 23137
Entry_Number: 128
Year: 1842
Month: Nov
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: EVANS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: TIPPINS
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age: Full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Tippins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of William Holder
Witness_2: Mark of Harriet Webb
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Bride signs MARGRAT
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex_Groom: E152
Soundex_Bride: T152

Margarets parents were Richard Tippins baptised 2 Mar 1785 & Hannah YORK baptised 1 Mar 1781. They married 19 Oct 1808 Newland. But I expect you know all this and it was not your question. I cannot believe the family would have changed surnames to match a mother in law, so think the York finding a red herring.

1851 Census Coleford
TIPPINS Richard 75 Pauper Chimney Sweep Newland
Hannah 84 Newland

My connection here is that Richard Tippins grandmother on his maternal side was Susanna Marfell 1706 who married Thomas Wilce 1707.

Jim Ashton

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

shepway — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:46:20 +0000

John could be a brother to George baptised 1818 at Christchurch. There are 2 possible baptisms:
Year: 1808
Month: Dec
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: YORK
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: W[illia]m
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Year: 1811
Month: Sep
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: YORK
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: illeg[itimat]e at Coleford Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newland

No guarantees but Jane could be also a brother to George:

Year: 1795
Month: Feb
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: YORK
Child_Forenames: Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Will[ia]m
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berryhill
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 833
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Given that John is aged 41 in the 1851 Census and 72 in the 1881 Census then the 1808 baptism is the most likely one.

BTW baptism register for Christchurch commences 1814.

Mike

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

reporter — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:05:33 +0000

The search has thrown up another puzzle......Timothy Evans who was an Evans on the 61 and 81 censuses and a York on the 71, 91 and 01. His father appears to have been John, a York on 41, 51, 71 and 81, and Evans on 61. I can't work out how he connects to Margaret Tippins or her mother Hannah York - yet. Help,please!!

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

Emma1 — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:23:45 +0000

I think the York name comes into it because Margaret's mothers maiden name was York so maybe they adopted than name rather than George's surname of Evans?

I would just have assumed that when Margaret married George they would then take on the surname Evans.

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

shepway — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:01:01 +0000

Pleased to be of help. For more evidence search for Evans(forename)YORK and tick soundex box in parish registers on this site. You will get 9 useful entries including marriage of Harriet born 1849.

Mike

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

reporter — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:16:39 +0000

Thanks, Mike. Good investigation! the link is certainly Noah, the rest now fits, especially the location, Berry Hill.

Margaret EVANS bn 1821 (reply)

reporter — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:48 +0000

Thanks, Slowhands. The presence of stepchildren Jones would indicate that Margaret was formerly a Jones, whereas Margaret Tippins was declared as a spinster on marriage to George Evans.

Margaret EVANS (nee JONES / TIPPINS ?) bn 1821 Bedwelty (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:33:20 +0000

This is the other family referenced ( initial impression is that this does not feel like Margaret TIPPINS, but....)

1881 ?
Margaret Evans abt 1821 Ponty Pool, Monmouth, Wales Boarder Stockton On Tees, Durham

1861
George Evans abt 1819 Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Margaret Evans abt 1820 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Jacob Jones abt 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales Stepson Conside and Knitsley, Durham
John Jones abt 1841 Monmouthshire, Wales Stepson Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Sarah Evans abt 1851 Long Benton, Northumberland, England Daughter Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Thomas Evans abt 1853 Long Benton, Northumberland, England Son Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Mariam Evans t abt 1855 Glasgow, Scotland Daughter Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Moses Evans abt 1859 Lanchester, Durham, England Son Conside and Knitsley, Durham
Mary Evens abt 1846 Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Conside and Knitsley, Durham
George Evens abt 1848 Long Benton, Northumberland, England Son Conside and Knitsley, Durham

1851
George Evans abt 1819 Carmarthen, Wales Head Longbenton, Northumberland
Margret Evans abt 1816 Brawdly [BEDWELTY], Wales Wife Longbenton, Northumberland
May Evans abt 1846 Dowles, Wales Daughter Longbenton, Northumberland
Daniel Evans abt 1848 Walker, Northumberland, England Son Longbenton, Northumberland
George Evans abt 1848 Walker, Northumberland, England Son Longbenton, Northumberland
Sarah Evans abt 1850 Walker, Northumberland, England Daughter Longbenton, Northumberland
Jacob Thomes [JONES] abt 1839 Ebosebald [EBBW VALE], Wales Son Longbenton, Northumberland
John Jones abt 1841 Ebosebald [EBBW VALE], Wales Stepson Longbenton, Northumberland

where do the JONES step children come from ?

Name: George Evans
Name: Margaret Tippins
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 47

Year: 1842
Month: Nov
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: EVANS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: TIPPINS
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age: Full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Tippins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of William Holder
Witness_2: Mark of Harriet Webb
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Bride signs MARGRAT
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1841
Richard Tippin abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Tippin abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Tippin abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Margaret Tippin abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Abednego Tippin abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Tippin abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1808
Month: Oct
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: TIPPINS
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: YORK
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Steel
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Tay[lo]r Matt[he]w Procter vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 129
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

reporter — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:08:49 +0000

Do you have any details of the children, please? I'm now faced with two possibilities - yours and Shepway's .......It was uncle William Tippins 1773 who was a 4th gt grandfather.

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

Emma1 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:33 +0000

Margaret Tippins is my GGG Grandfathers sister.

She married George Evans in 1842 and they had 7 children. Their first child was born in Glamorgan and all other children in Northumberland/Lancaster/Scotland.

Margaret Tippins bn 1821 (reply)

shepway — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:17:58 +0000

This entry from Baptism Records:
Year 1851
Month Mar
Day 9
Parents Surname EVANS-YORK
Child Forenames Noah
Fathers Forenames George
Mothers Forenames Margaret
Mothers Surname
Residence Bury Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister Tho: O: Tudor B.A. Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference PFC82 IN 1/3
Page Number 33
Parish Chapel Christchurch

It would appear that surname of YORK adopted:
1851 Census (GFHS transcript)
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK George HD M 31 Collier GLS Berry Hill
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK Margret WI M 26 - GLS Berry Hill
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK George SO U 9 - [MON] Monmouth Union
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK Faney DA U 4 - GLS Berry Hill
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK Harriet DA U 2 - GLS Berry Hill
2444 0307 008 Berry Hill YORK Noah SO U 1 - GLS Berry Hill

1861 Census
George York abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Margarett York abt 1822 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth York abt 1834 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard York abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett York abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Noah York abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte York abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James York abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann York abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamn York abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Myra York abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Margaret York
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 48
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 15

Year: 1868
Month: Dec
Day: 30 (17[?])
Surname: YORK
Forenames: Margaret
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 47
Officiating_Minister: W.H.Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Page drawn up by hand
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/13
Page_No: 102
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1881 Census:
George York abt 1817 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte York abt 1853 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George York abt 1875 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert York abt 1879 Union, Monmouth, Wales Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire

George not located in the 1891 Census as yet.

Year: 1898
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Surname: YORK
Forenames: George
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Surname confirmed from Death Register vol 11a page 11
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/15
Page_No: 31
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Marriage entry tells us that George's father is William and he is from Berry Hill.

This would appear to be his baptism:
Year: 1818
Month: Sep
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: YORK
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berryhill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: S. Morgan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Mike

Margaret Tippins bn 1821

reporter — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:34 +0000

Margaret (parents Richard and Hannah York), married a George Evans in 1842, St Briavels, but I have not been able to find them afterwards. I know a few of my Tippins emigrated, but can't see anything in Ancestry's dataabases.

Does anyone have additional knowledge of them, please?
Thanks
Bob Jenkins