Forest of Dean FHT Forum - St Whites Cinderford

St Whites Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:19:28 +0000

St Whites Cinderford is the most likely candidate

Coming from the top of Littledean Hill down towards Cinderford Bridge.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/759954

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO651125

Commercial St Cinderford
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/728654

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO656138

St Whites East Dean 1878 (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:56:02 +0000

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previous thread - CROOK

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=31433#31437

On the 1881 Census, Gloucestershire Westbury on Severn East Dean (John CROOK and Emma are living in this District)
District 17

Description of Enumeration District 17

The thirteenth remaining part of the Township of East Dean, commencing at Mrs...... shop including same is bounded on the North by road, from Cinderford to Bilson - the tramway leading from Causeway Iron Mine Works to Cinderford. Iron Works on South West by tramway leading from Cinderford Iron Works to Buckshaft Rts? up to James Roberts' house including same thence to John Smith's not including the same and on the East by the Parish of Flaxley to W ...... shop. Including part of Bilson Green and part of Bilson Woodside.

St Whites East Dean 1878 (reply)

unknown — Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:48:37 +0000

Does anyone know which of the two St White's, shown on the 1878 map, that my Great Grandfather John Crook with his wife and young family were living in in 1878? Which building(s) survive and are there any early images available of them ? Ian Crook.
MacMasters Beach NSW Australia. (iscrook AT bigpond.com)

John CROOK 1840 London (reply)

daphne cutts — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:47:41 +0000

The following are corrections to the Crook Children submitted by a family member. :-
Winifred Dora Crook circa 1870 Ross-on-Wye - Feb 1882 Rockwood Tennessee USA.

Emelene Maud Crook 8th May 1872 Cinderford - 31 Jan 1960 Feilding New Zealand.Spouse Ernest Whitehead.

Gwendoline Constance Crook circa 1874 Cinderford - 5th May 1965 Auckland New Zealand.

Ada Lilian Crook 26 May 1876 Cinderford - 28 Dec 1961 Palmerston North New Zealand spouse John Young.

Eleanor Mary Crook 20th June 1877 Cinderford - 5th Sept 1953 Mt Albert Auckland New Zealand spouse Rennie Eastwood.

John Edward Crook circa 1878 Cinderford - circa 1959/1960 N.S.W. Australia spouse Julia McWarde cka MacKie.

Walter Rout Crook circa 1880 Cinderford -25th Oct 1957 Auckland New Zealand spouse Frances Hogan.

Muriel Winifred Crook 1885 Auckland - 1963 Auckland New Zealand spouse Alpha Perkins.

Lawrence Percy Crook 1888 Auckland - 1944 Onehunga New Zealand spouse Grace Grainger.

Harold Llewellyn Crook Knowlton 1891 Auckland - 31 May 1990 Mt Eden Auckland New Zealand spouse Edna Warner.

Note.. Crooks that do not belong to this family are Ernest Percy Crook 1883 Stroud Gloucestershire and Edward Crook.

William BALCHIN 1842 Cranleigh SUR (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:52:51 +0000

1871
William Balchin abt 1842 Cranleigh, Surrey, England Head Wandsworth All Saints, London Cooper
Rebecca Balchin abt 1846 Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Wandsworth All Saints, London
Ernest Rout abt 1871 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Son Wandsworth All Saints, London
Susannah Rout abt 1810 Shoreham, Kent, England Mother Wandsworth All Saints, London
Susannah Rout abt 1853 Loose, Kent, England Sister-in-law Wandsworth All Saints, London
Sarah A Whitehead abt 1840 Shoreham, Kent, England Cousin Wandsworth All Saints, London

Name: Ernest Root Balchin
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 575

marriage looks like a transcription error or two ?

Name: William Balchin
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 592

Name: Rebecca Rout
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 129

1861
James C Roat abt 1790 Shoreham, Kent, England Head Loose, Kent
Susanna Roat abt 1811 Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Loose, Kent
Rebecca Roat abt 1846 Shoreham, Kent, England Daughter Loose, Kent
Emma Roat abt 1848 Shoreham, Kent, England Daughter Loose, Kent
Susannah Roat abt 1853 Loose, Kent, England Daughter Loose, Kent

1861
William Genn abt 1819 Kirdford, Sussex, England Head Battersea, Surrey
Mary K Venn abt 1819 Falmer, Sussex, England Wife Battersea, Surrey
Lucy J Venn abt 1843 Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Daughter Battersea, Surrey
William F Venn abt 1847 Merton, Surrey, England Son Battersea, Surrey
Mary A Venn abt 1854 Battersea, Surrey, England Daughter Battersea, Surrey
Marian Venn abt 1860 Battersea, Surrey, England Daughter Battersea, Surrey
William Balchin abt 1842 Cranley, Surrey, England Nephew Battersea, Surrey

1851 Little Farm. Cranley
George Balchin abt 1804 Albury, Surrey, England Head Cranley, Surrey
Elizabeth Balchin abt 1813 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Wife Cranley, Surrey
Tho Balchin abt 1837 Cranley, Surrey, England Son Cranley, Surrey
William Balchin abt 1842 Cranley, Surrey, England Son Cranley, Surrey
Fred K Balchin abt 1847 Cranley, Surrey, England Son Cranley, Surrey
Ellen Balchin abt 1849 Cranley, Surrey, England Daughter Cranley, Surrey
Elieth Balchin abt 1850 Cranley, Surrey, England Daughter Cranley, Surrey

1841
George Balchin abt 1811 Surrey, England Cranley, Surrey
Elizabeth Balchin abt 1811 Cranley, Surrey
Susan Balchin abt 1835 Surrey, England Cranley, Surrey
Thos Balchin abt 1837 Surrey, England Cranley, Surrey

Florence BALCHIN 1875 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:43:42 +0000

Name: Florence Isabel Balchin
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 238

Daughter of Willaim BALCHIN and Rebecca ROUT

Family moved to New Zealand early 1880's

Rebecca ROUT
Born: 13th. Apr 1845, Shoreham, (Seven Oaks), Kent, England.
Died: 21st. Nov 1927, Wellington, New Zealand.
1st. Marriage: June Qtr. 1870, Kensington, Surrey, England.
Spouse: William BALCHIN

Ernest Rout BALCHIN
Born: 25th. Mar 1871, Wandsworth, London, England.

Florence BALCHIN
Born: 22nd. Mar 1875, Cinderford, Gloucester, England.

William BALCHIN
Born: 25th. Nov 1877, Cinderford, Gloucester, England.

Katherine Dora BALCHIN
Born: 23rd. Oct 1881, Wellington, New Zealand.

Margaret Oliver BALCHIN
Born: 2nd. Oct 1883, Wellington, New Zealand.

John CROOK 1840 London (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:33:25 +0000

Emigrated to New Zealand mid 1880's

according to
http://www.geocities.com/randpryan/rout/rout01.html

Emma ROUT
Born: 16th. Aug 1847, Shoreham, (Seven Oaks), Kent,
Died: 15th. Apr 1932, Auckland, New Zealand.
Married: Dec. Qtr. 1869, Wandsworth, London, .
Spouse: John CROOK
Bapt: 22nd. Nov 1840, Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Died: 2nd. Dec 1925, Auckland, New Zealand.

Winifred Dora CROOK
Born: Circa 1870, Ross on Wye, Herefordshire,

Emelene Maud CROOK
Born: 8th. May 1873, Cinderford,
Died: 31st. Jan 1960, Feilding, New Zealand.

Gwendoline G. CROOK
Born: Circa 1875, Cinderford,

Lilian Ada CROOK
Born: 26 May 1876, Cinderford,
Died: 28 Dec 1961, Palmerston North, Manawatu, New Zealand.
Married:
Spouse: John YOUNG

Eleanor CROOK
Born: 20 Jun 1877, Cinderford,
Died: 5 Sep 1953, Auckland, New Zealand.

John E. CROOK
Born: Circa 1879, Cinderford, ,

Walter R. CROOK
Born: Circa 1880, Cinderford,

Ernest CROOK
Born: 1883, Stroud, Gloucestershire

Muriel CROOK
Born: 1887, Auckland, New Zealand.

Edward CROOK
Born: 1894, Auckland, New Zealand.

Knowlton Harold CROOK
Born: 1896, Auckland, New Zealand.

Ernest Percy Crook 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Stroud (1837 Onw) ?

1881 Commercial St Cinderford
John Crook abt 1841 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Photographer
Emma Crook abt 1850 Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Winifred D. Crook abt 1871 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Emelene M. Crook abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Gwendoline G. Crook abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Eleanor Crook abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
John E. Crook abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Walter R. Crook Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean,

Emeline Maude Crook 1872 Apr-May-Jun Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Gwendoline Constance Crook 1874 Oct-Nov-Dec Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Eleanor Mary Crook 1877 Jul-Aug-Sep Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
John Edward Crook 1878 Oct-Nov-Dec Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Walter Rout Crook 1880 Jul-Aug-Sep Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire

1871 Broad St Ross
John Crook abt 1841 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Head Ross, Herefordshire Hatter
Emma Crook abt 1848 Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Ross, Herefordshire
Winnifred Dora Crook abt 1870 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Thomas Crook abt 1851 Raveningham, Warwickshire, England Assistant Ross, Herefordshire

Name: Winifred Dora Crook
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 441

Name:John Crook
Name: Emma Rout
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 834

1861
Mary A Crook abt 1819 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Head Wandsworth
Samuel Crook abt 1840 Spotland, Middlesex, England Son Wandsworth
John Crook abt 1841 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Wandsworth
Elizabeth Crook abt 1843 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Wandsworth
Edward Crook abt 1850 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Son Wandsworth
Walter Crook abt 1855 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Son Wandsworth
Mary J Crook abt 1857 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Wandsworth

1851
Samuel Cook abt 1827 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Head Wandsworth
Mary A Cook abt 1819 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Wife Wandsworth
Samuel Cook abt 1840 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Son Wandsworth
John Cook abt 1841 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Wandsworth
Elizabeth Cook abt 1843 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Wandsworth
Edward Cook abt 1850 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Son Wandsworth,

1841 ?
Samuel Crook abt 1816 Wandsworth Wimbledon, Surrey
Maria Crook abt 1821 Surrey, England Wandsworth Wimbledon, Surrey
Samuel Crook abt 1839 Wandsworth Wimbledon, Surrey
John Crook abt 1840 Wandsworth Wimbledon, Surrey

William BALCHIN (WB) &/or John CROOK

rebalc — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:41:33 +0000

WB is my great grandfather and his second child, Florence Isabel, was born in Cinderford in 1875.

The brother-in-law of WB, John Crook (JC) was also a resident of Cinderford at the the same time. The Balchins were there 1871 to 1877 or early 1878 I believe.

In the 1881 Census JC was living in Commercial Street and listed as photographer. I believe they left the area that year and migrated to the U.S.A.

I also believe WB and JC were in business together as colliery proprietors but the name of the mine I have yet to unearth. Seemingly JC was ruined by a mine flooding after 1877.

I also believe the Crooks were Baptists and I would be surprised if the Balchin were not also.

There was a sickling Balchin boy (William Edward) born November 1877 but no birth certificate can be found. While in Cinderford the Crooks had 6 births.

I am wondering if anybody can turn up any baptismal records of the 8 births in Cinderford for the 2 families.

Yours sincerely,

Bob Balchin (aged 82).