Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation

William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation (reply)

joss — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:43:03 +0000

Sorry, no. Here they are on 1851 census at Scowles, Newland: James Probert age 66 ie 1785,(assuming he wasn't telling fibs) Ag Lab, b Goodrich, HEF, (ditto), Sarah 60, b West Dean.
On FOD Parish Records nothing under Goodrich: a few Probert sightings but no James.
There are 5 1700s baptisms for James Probert in other places.
1781 PROBERT James Baptism Newent
1790 PROABART James Baptism Bream
1797 PROBERT James Baptism Awre
1780 PROVERB James Baptism Lassington
1790 PROBERT James Baptism Lea
Awre and Newent are a fair step from Goodrich, but not sure about the others. Also FOD records are only for parishes in, or neighbouring, the Forest of Dean so if he was baptised in deepest Herefordshire he wouldn't necessarily appear on this site.

Good luck

Joss

William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation (reply)

Woody — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:10:46 +0000

I'm trying to trace the parents of JAMES PROBERT who married SARAH RUDGEin 1812. I see on the marriage notice that the witnesses were RICHARD PROBERT and MARY PROBERT. I wonder if these people wre James' parents or siblings?

Anybody got any info on this?

William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation (reply)

joss — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:47:01 +0000

Oh no! Not the dreaded William Rudge/Probert!! Thanks for your efforts on this one Slowlands.
Woody - in case you are baffled, and who can blame you, a quick catch up! This individual was baptised, as Slowhands says, in 1811 as the son of Sarah Rudge. The following year, 18 Jun 1812, Sarah married James Probert. Whether William's father was James Probert or the butcher, the baker or the candlestick maker we will never know, but thereafter he used the 2 names interchangably, not only for himself, but also for his children - on the whole favouring Rudge for baptisms but Probert when the census enumerator came to call.
His wife was Maria Pewtner - I have shed loads of info on Pewtners if you need it.
However, going back to your original message, you say that "From the 1851 census it appears that GEORGE PROBERT was living in Coleford, Monmouth both George and his father were stonemasons". I've just had a quick look at Ancestry 1851. The George who is the son of the annoying William is transcribed as "Sebert", b app 1843 and living in West Dean. There are also Georges of similar age in Ruardean and East Dean, but I can't see one in Coleford, nor any that were stonemasons. So are we talking about the same George?

Joss

William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:33:02 +0000

Year 1811
Month Mar
Day 24
Parents Surname RUDGE
Child Forename(s) William
Father's Forename(s)
Mother's Forename(s) Sarah
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P138 in 1/4
Page No 29
Parish/Chapel English Bicknor

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8755

RUDGE / PROBERT Berry Hill / Christchurch (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:21:02 +0000

WILLIAM PROBERT'S birth or baptism certificate

I hope you can but I suspect this is a unconventional family for whom records are "thin" at least !

Year: 1836
Month: Dec
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: PROBERT
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth Pewtner
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Christ Church
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1848
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: PROBERT
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: J. Banks
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1842
Month: Jul
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: RUDGE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 77
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1840
Month: Aug
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: RUDGE
Child_Forenames: Edward
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1838 RUDGE Henrietta William Maria Tiler Christchurch
1844 RUDGE Mary Anne William Maria Tiler Plasterer Christchurch

George PROBERT 1843 Berry Hill / Christchurch (reply)

Woody — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:07:45 +0000

Thanks for the info.
I do know that GEORGE PROBERT had a brother EDWARD so it seems that the PROBERTS 1861 Berryhill Rd are my ancestors. Hopefully I will be able to trace WILLIAM PROBERT'S birth or baptism certificate and find out who his parents were.

George PROBERT 1843 Berry Hill / Christchurch (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:37:46 +0000

a non-conformist family , I suspect

marriage of William PROBERT and Maria PEWTNER approx 1835 is found !

Year: 1836
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: RUDGE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Penallt
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PEWTNER
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Penallt
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Charles Miles
Witness_2: Margaret Miles
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Penallt Monmouth

1841 Worcester Walk
William Probert abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1811 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Probert abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henrietta Probert abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Edward Probert abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Probert abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851 Christchurch / Berry Hill area
William Sebert abt 1811 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire Tyler and plasterer
Maria Sebert abt 1809 New Weis, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henriete Sebert abt 1839 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Sebert abt 1841 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Sebert abt 1843 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Sebert abt 1845 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Sebert abt 1848 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Berryhill Rd
William Probert abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1812 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward Probert abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
George Probert abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Probert abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire

1871
William Probert abt 1811 Helliers Land, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1810 New Weir, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire

George PROBERT born 1843 Coleford

Woody — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:05:55 +0000

I am trying to trace my great great grandfather

My great grandfather was GEORGE PROBERT born in 1843 in Coleford (Berry Hill?)
He married ANN SHAW at Grappenhall Chester in 1868 and some time later emigrated to South Africa.

From the 1851 census it appears that GEORGE PROBERT was living in Coleford, Monmouth both George and his father were stonemasons.

I would appreciate any help in this regard

Brian