Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843 (reply)

vcatkinson — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:57:57 +0000

How sad...thank you for the information - its interesting coming down the generations - and it sometimes helps as a pointer to the past.

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843 (reply)

joyford — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:16:47 +0000

Yes,Benjamin arrived in Australia in November 1899 on the Omrah; he had travelled with his 25 year old half-brother Frank Smith (sometimes called himself Frank Brown). Amos arrived in 1901 on the Oruba. They all lived in Stockton (near Newcastle), NSW to begin with but Amos later moved to Sydney where he died in 1942; he had 3 sons but none appeared to have married (one died in infancy)and 1 daughter. Frank died in 1960, he had 4 daughters who called themselves Smith-Brown but I don't think any had children. Ben (my great grandfather) married Annie Matilda (Tillie)Hammond in 1902 and they had one child, my grandmother, Annie Amelia, in 1903. Tillie left Ben soon after; my grandmother was raised by her mother's mother and although she was raised just a few miles from where Ben lived she apparently never saw him. My own mother was shocked to learn that he had lived nearby. Ben applied for and was granted a divorce from Tillie in 1910; he never married again. Since I discovered all of this I have felt very sad for poor Ben, to have come so far and had so much hope for the future with a wife and baby and then to lose it all. His death certificate stated that he was divorced and had one child, Amelia; so very sad. That was why I went to see his birthplace; I hope it helps him rest in peace.
Joyford

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843 (reply)

vcatkinson — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:25:13 +0000

Glad to help...so did Benjamin Amos & Frank all go to Australia?

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843 (reply)

joyford — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:18:07 +0000

I am so glad you have been able to work that out. I must also be the 7x great granddaughter of John & Maria Smith as Edward & Amelia are my 3x great grandparents. I have just returned to NSW after 4 weeks in Britain but I didn't have time for indepth research. Managed to find Joyford Hill where my great grandfather, Benjamin Smith (1875-1946)was born and also found the church at Christchurch where he was baptised and Edward & Amelia are buried. Unfortunately the church was not open and there was no access to the churchyard so I couldn't see any of the graves. I tried ringing the doorbell at the adjoining vicarage but no one answered despite being able to hear someone inside practising the bagpipes!. The surrounding countryside was absolutely beautiful; I don't know how Ben and his brothers could bear to leave it but I guess times were hard and they thought Australia would offer a better life.
Joyford

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843 (reply)

vcatkinson — Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:09:34 +0000

Well, I have worked it out that Edward is the son of Richard bap 14.7.1793 & Susan/nah c1795
Richard is the son of Edward bap 17 Jun 1753, Newland & Mary Elley marr 17 Feb 1776
Newland + 3 bros & 1 sister
Edward is the son of James bap 26 Sep 1729 Newland & Susan/anna
James is the son of John bap 11.6.1703 Newland & Sarah Ellway mar 1.4.1725 Newland + 2 bros & 2 sist
John is the son of John c1670 & Maria

John & Maria are my 7x gt grandparents

Edmund /Edward SMITH 1819 Freeminer (reply)

joyford — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:03:12 +0000

Thanks for that information Vicki. It seems that we are related. Is the name Elmes a corruption of Nelmes? Regards, Joyford

Edmund /Edward SMITH 1819 Freeminer (reply)

vcatkinson — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:51:10 +0000

I too found this confusing! Son ELMS died in 1860, buried 9 sep at Christchurch, I have found that dates get corrupted when they are put on stones much later than the event so it is more than likely that it is him.
V Atkinson

Freeminer ( of the Forest of Dean) (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:41:38 +0000

The Roll of Honour CD is one source
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=4175

Richard SMITH 1822 Freeminer ( of the Forest of Dean) (reply)

joyford — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:10:03 +0000

Is there a list of Freeminers?
Joyford

Edmund /Edward SMITH 1819 Freeminer (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:34:33 +0000

It may just be a transcription error - Edward looking like Edmund

Edmund /Edward SMITH 1819 Freeminer (reply)

joyford — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:43:11 +0000

So he was baptised as Edmund but was known as Edward and became a Freeminer, have I got that right ? I can't find a marriage for Richard and Susan but found the children's baptisms and a MI for Richard , Susan and son, George:In memory of Richard and Susan Smith[?] who died Sep 15th 1860 Also of George their son died Oct 6 1865 aged 35 years Also of Susan Smith died Aug 18 1867 aged 72 years And of the above Richard Smith July 1 1870 aged 76 years. If son George died in 1865, mother Susan in 1867 and father Richard in 1870, who died in 1860?
Joyford

Edmund /Edward SMITH 1819 Freeminer (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:25:41 +0000

1841
Richard Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Susannah Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Amos Smith abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Benjamen Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eisabellas Smith abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elms Smith abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Year: 1819
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Edmund
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: P.M. Procter
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Surname Forename Age Residence Reg Date ID
Smith Edward 23 Berry Hill, nr Coleford 25 Oct 1842

Richard SMITH 1822 Freeminer ( of the Forest of Dean) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:44 +0000

if its title you want (!)

then you can be proud of this one

Surname Forename Age Residence Reg Date ID
Smith Richard 53 Berry Hill, nr Coleford 5 Mar 1875 1572

Richard SMITH 1821 (?) (reply)

joyford — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:09:05 +0000

Thankyou slowhands. I had thought he was a son of Richard and Sarah from English Bicknor; wrongly jumped to that conclusion but then realised that Richard was a woodkeeper and my Richard was a collier. Shame about that, i quite fancied the title "Keeper of the Forest of Dean"!
regards, Joyford

Richard SMITH 1821 (?) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:35:33 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=3693

Year: 1822
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: R. Jefferies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

<< << << << <<
Year: 1843
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Edward
Grooms_Age: Of F
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: GWILLIAM
Brides_Forenames: Amelia
Brides_Age: Of F
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Gwilliam
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Hulin-P Clerk
Witness_2: Emma Hulin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J J Barlow
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 81
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam 1843

joyford — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:08:27 +0000

Record ID: 23170
Entry Number: 161
Year: 1843
Parish Chapel: St Briavels
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page Number: 81
I came to this couple via their son Benjamin 1851-1913.
Record ID: 150913
Entry Number: 309
Year: 1851
Parish Chapel: Christchurch
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page Number: 39
I've read through the postings and still can't work out which Richard Smith is Edward's father...there are so many of them!
Can anyone please enlighten me?
Regards, Joyford