Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Avis SMITH 1639 -1706 Awre & Yorkley

Avis SMITH 1639 -1706 Awre & Yorkley (reply)

man2 — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:47:43 +0000

That is odd - there is another burial record for Avis, same register reference but different date.

Mike

Record_ID: 192608
Entry_Number:
Year: 1707
Month: Jun
Day: 1
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Avis
Residence: of Yorkley
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: wife of Richard
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/1
Page_No: 82
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: J520

Avis SMITH 1639 -1706 Awre & Yorkley (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 01:24:38 +0000

Since it doesn't list the parents or the conditions of the bride and groom, is it possible that Avis was not born Smith, but that it is her married name, and that she was widowed? Don't mean to muddy the waters here, but might that be a possibility?

Avis SMITH 1639 -1706 Awre & Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 00:04:45 +0000

I was pleased to come across this thread in my recent exploration of the James family, but it has raised a bit of a problem. The baptism record for Israel gives his parents as Richard James and Avis, and low and behold there is a marriage record in 1677 of Richard and Avis Smith (plus baptisms of several other children before Israel). However, the only baptism for an Avis Smith is in 1639 in Ruardean.

Is it really possible for a woman to have had a child at the age of 50?

Of course this long ago there must be missing records, but otherwise it seems to fit. Any suggestions welcome.

Mike

Perhaps a closer fit to Lydney and Yorkley. However it feels like a generation is missing - 1639 -> 1677...

Year: 1639
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Avice
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: not stated]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter
Notes: Old style date 1638/39. Original in Latin
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/1 Part 1 of 2
Page_Number: 119
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1677
Month: May
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Yorkly
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Aviss
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Yorkly
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1706
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Avice
Residence: of Yorkley
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: J Roberts Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: wife of Richard
Notes: Old style date 1705/06
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/1
Page_No: 82
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Israel James Born about 1689 (reply)

man2 — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:05:21 +0000

I was pleased to come across this thread in my recent exploration of the James family, but it has raised a bit of a problem. The baptism record for Israel gives his parents as Richard James and Avis, and low and behold there is a marriage record in 1677 of Richard and Avis Smith (plus baptisms of several other children before Israel). However, the only baptism for an Avis Smith is in 1639 in Ruardean.

Is it really possible for a woman to have had a child at the age of 50?

Of course this long ago there must be missing records, but otherwise it seems to fit. Any suggestions welcome.

Mike

Israel James Born about 1689 (reply)

emilyellen — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:53:10 +0000

I am most grateful for your interest and confirmation of the IGI entry.

Regards K.G.W.James

Israel James Born about 1689 Lydney (reply)

emilyellen — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:48:25 +0000

Many thanks for your very helpful response which has enabled me to go one step further back in time with FOD Parish Records, together with the usual "as many questions as answers"

Israel James Born about 1689 (reply)

grahamdavison — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:21:49 +0000

Have just looked at the original entry in the register and confirm that Israel James was baptised 26 Dec 1689 as given in the IGI. The entry is in the database but the child`s name is shown as illegible.

Israel James Born about 1689 Lydney (reply)

ChrisW — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:20:28 +0000

This one on IGI?

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ISRAEL JAMES Pedigree
Male

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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 DEC 1689 Lydney, Gloucester, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: RICHD JAMES Family
Mother: AVISE

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Israel James Born about 1689

emilyellen — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:09:57 +0000

Looking for Israel James Born about 1689 and his wife Sara .They had a son William Born about 1711 Ca anyone help please?