Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Philip BLUNT born 1822 Hewelsfield

Philip BLUNT born 1822 Hewelsfield (reply)

stevecoe1955 — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:41:55 +0000

The England and Wales Criminal register shows a Philip Blunt bn abt 1822, Gloucestershire, found guilty of Larceny and sentenced to 7 yrs transportation.

He can be found in 1842 living on board a prison hulk in Woolwich, London.

I believe this to be Philip Blunt/Powell.

does it make sense ? (reply)

andytim1967 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:06:32 +0000

So probably they didn't register the birth in the time frame so gave a date of birth that would fit in. Nothing surpises me about this family!

does it make sense ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:46:57 +0000

It doesn't make sense.

Sometimes the census records lead us to "believe" a situation that does not fit with other records.

As with all research the more sources you have the better your conclusion can be :-)

In this case is the Birth Cert recording a birth after the census or a registration after the census ? was/is there a 3 month period grace between birth and registration ?

Harriet POWELL BLUNT 1864 Glamorgan (reply)

andytim1967 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:10:33 +0000

Thanks again for all the info.

Yes. That's where I fit in. My gt grandfather Charles Cousins married Amelia Powell (Blunt!).I have her birth certificate for 23 April 1861 yet the census was on 7 April 1861 when she was supposed to be 2 months old. How can that be?

Her parents are Philip Powell and Maria Pugsley. Maria then has Harriet and Charles Mason Powell.Was she having children for her sister Elizabeth who was married to Charles Mason? If Philip leaves her why would she keep his children and not her own. It doesn't make sense.

Harriet POWELL BLUNT 1864 Glamorgan (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:51:56 +0000

Name: Harriet Powell ?
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 273

1871
Elizabeth Mason abt 1830 Wittenturtney, Somerset, England Wol Charles Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Harriet Powell Blunt abt 1864 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Niece Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan

1881
Harriet Powell abt 1865 Canton Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Servant Eglwysilan, Glamorgan

Name: Phillip Powell
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 498a

1891
Charles E Cousins abt 1862 Llanwonno (Llanwynno), Glamorgan, Wales Head Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Rose A Cousins abt 1862 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Edwin Cousins abt 1886 Llanwonno (Llanwynno), Glamorgan, Wales Son Llanwonno, Glamorgan
James H Cousins abt 1888 Llanwonno (Llanwynno), Glamorgan, Wales Son Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Gladys Cousins abt 1890 Llanwonno (Llanwynno), Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Harriett Powell abt 1865 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Sister-in-law Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Phillip Powell abt 1891 Llanwonno (Llanwynno), Glamorgan, Wales Nephew Llanwonno, Glamorgan

[I'm sure I have seen COUSINS on a census or marriage record with BLUNT or POWELL]

Name: Rosanna Amelia Powell
Name: Charles Edwin Cousins
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 627

Eliza POWELL 1858 newport and BLUNT/POWELL siblings (reply)

andytim1967 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:33:00 +0000

Thanks for finding Eliza. I will send for the birth certificate to see if her mother was Maria.

The EVANS twins Cardiff 1869 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:23:10 +0000

Name: Edward Richard Evans
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 222

Name: Maria Jane Evans
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 222

1871 Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Edward Evans 32 St Mellons
Maria Evans 35 Witon Courne Somerset
Mary Powell 19
Phillip Powell 16
Elizabeth Powell 13
Amelia Powell 10
Edward Evans 1
Maria Evans 1

1881
Robert Albert Gregory abt 1849 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Head Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Mary Gregory abt 1853 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Maria Jane Evans abt 1870 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Sister in Law Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Edward Richd. Evans abt 1870 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Brother in Law Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Collins abt 1859 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Sister in Law Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Ann Collins abt 1875 P'pridd, Glamorgan, Wales Niece Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Robert Hy. Collins abt 1879 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Nephew Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan

Eliza POWELL 1858 newport and BLUNT/POWELL siblings (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:17:52 +0000

Name: Eliza Powell
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 173

and siblings

Name: Mary Blunt
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 272

Name: Philip Blunt
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 237

Name: Amelia Powell
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 247

Philip BLUNT / POWELL 1822 Chepstow area -> Cardiff (reply)

andytim1967 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:03:04 +0000

Thank you. How did you find out all that info. so quickly. I think Philip Blunt is Philip Powell in 1861 therefore the 3 older children living with him in the 1861 census were probably born Blunt. I can't find the third child Eliza (or Elizbath) born Newport but there are a Mary and Philip Blunt born the right time and Blunt doesn't seem to be a common name.

Philip BLUNT / POWELL 1822 Chepstow area -> Cardiff (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:28:36 +0000

Year: 1822
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: BLUNT
Child_Forenames: Phillip
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hewelsfield
Occupation: Single woman
Officiating_Minister: Charles D. Blyth
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 5
Notes: left margin
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1841
Phillip Blunt abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1851 ? ( near Neath)
Phillip Blunt abt 1822 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Glyncorrwg, Glamorgan Railway Lab
Mary Ann Blunt abt 1826 Bristol Wife Glyncorrwg, Glamorgan

1861
Philip Powell abt 1822 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Llandaff, Glamorgan Excavator
Maria Powell abt 1836 Welton, Somerset, England Wife Llandaff, Glamorgan
Mary Powell abt 1852 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan
Philip Powell abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llandaff, Glamorgan
Eliza Powell abt 1858 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan
Amelia Powell abt 1861 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llandaff, Glamorgan

[Welton - is now Midsomer Norton nr Radstock Somerset a coal mining area - possible Wotton]

1871
Elizabeth Mason abt 1830 Wittenturtney, Somerset, England Wol Charles Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Harriet Powell Blunt abt 1864 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Niece Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan

My instinct is Wooton Courtenay near Dunster
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/WootonCourtney/index.html

1871 Llantwit Fardre, Glamorgan
Edward Evans 32 St Mellons
Maria Evans 35 Witon Courne Somerset
Mary Powell 19
Phillip Powell 16
Elizabeth Powell 13
Amelia Powell 10
Edward Evans 1
Maria Evans 1

Name: Edward Evans ?
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 36
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 206

Name: Maria Evans ?
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 52
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 269

so back to Somerset

1841
Geo Pugsley abt 1796 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset Ag Lab
Mary Pugsley abt 1801 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Samuel Pugsley abt 1826 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
John Pugsley abt 1826 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Eliza Pugsley abt 1831 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
Maria Pugsley abt 1833 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset
George Pugsley abt 1837 Somerset, England Wootton Courtney, Somerset

which gives us a strong hit for the future Eliz MASON aunt to Harriet

Name: Charles Mason
Name: Elizabeth Pugsley
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 330

and then to Wales

1851
George Pugsley abt 1798 Whitney Coarting, Somerset, England Head Resolven, Glamorgan
Mary Pugsley abt 1798 Laksborough, Somerset, England Wife Resolven, Glamorgan
Maria Pugsley abt 1836 Whitney Coasting, Somerset, England Daughter Resolven, Glamorgan

and gives an interesting possibility !
Name: Philip Powell
Name: Maria Pugsley
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 290

<< << << Edward EVANS from St Mellons
1841
Evan Evans abt 1796 St Mellons, Monmouthshire
Rebecca Evans abt 1801 Monmouthshire, Wales St Mellons, Monmouthshire
David Evans abt 1823 Monmouthshire, Wales St Mellons, Monmouthshire
William Evans abt 1832 Monmouthshire, Wales St Mellons, Monmouthshire
Richard Evans abt 1834 Monmouthshire, Wales St Mellons, Monmouthshire
Edward Evans abt 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales St Mellons, Monmouthshire

1851
Edward Evans abt 1839 St Mellons, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant St Mellons, Glamorgan

Philip Blunt born 1822 Hewelsfield

andytim1967 — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:00:47 +0000

I am researching Philip Blunt b1822 in Hewelsfield. I have found he was the illegitimate child of Ann Blunt. An Anne Blunt dies in 1828 in Hewelsfield so it looks like he would have been orphaned. Does anyone know where such a child would be sent? Was there a Poor House or Orphanage in the Forest of Dean? If so are there records available?

This is the background.

Philip Blunt is working in Hewelsfield in 1841 and then he disappears and I cannot find a death record. In 1861 up pops Philip Powell (b1822 Woolaston) in Canton, Cardiff. He then disappears and no death record.I have had some research done and there is no record of a Philip Powell being born in Woolaston at the time.

In 1871 Philip Powell's daughter is on the census as Harriet Powell Blunt which is where I made the connection.

Any help of where I can go from here would be appreciated.