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IMPORTANT NOTICE TO NEW FORUM USERS ! (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:38:41 +0000

Hi Fred and welcome to this marvelous website and forum, I hope you get to explore it well as theres a huge amount of great information to be found.

Meanwhile please read this Important Post; this will explain why sadly I doubt Kerri will see your post. Also it explains why you might want to edit your post to remove your email address, or rewrite it in such a way that an automated reader device will struggle to find and decipher it; don't forget this thread can be read by anyone around the world including automated computers built to find & record personal details such as this. Otherwise you may find yourself suffering a barrage of junk & spam emails, some of which may possibly contain damaging viruses. I'm sorry but this is a fact of internet life, my old pc suffered an irrepairable hard-drive failure due to such an instance(NOT via this site btw). You may like to try Googling Kerri's username; last year we had a similar situation and altho the user was no longer active on this forum, I found them active on another local forum and still using the same username.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=9711

I hope this helps, please keep posting and enjoying this great site.
From a fellow Jones originating from Lydbrook, so we possibly share a few genes !

JONES, Enos (b. 1856) (reply)

unknown — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:01:41 +0000

The details provided to you are correct and I have all the information you seek,Enos Jones was my grandfather and he died in 1918 in Blaydon Burn,my grandmother Esther Jones (nee Hope)died in1928.
My father was Frederick Hopkins Jones born at Plawsworth 1897 and died at Derby 1972.
If you would like to contact me I can be reached on frederickjones254 AT btinternet.com

Enos HOPKINS-JONES, 1912 - 1991 Gateshead (reply)

KerriSimps — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:43:15 +0000

Yes, that last Enos was my Grandad's brother. I didn't know him well - he had Alzheimer's Disease in his later life, but I do remember him giving me a lovely gift of a Worzel Gummidge writing set when I was little. He was very kind.

My grandad was also a miner, keeping up the family tradition until I think ill-health forced his retirement. I have a photo of him with a pit pony. I belive his father, John William, was a miner too.

Enos HOPKINS-JONES, 1912 - 1991 Gateshead (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:09:39 +0000

the trend was set in the Forest of Dean :-)

another fine export from ruardean, who said "coals to Newcastle " ?

Name:Esther Cutter
Name: Enos Jones
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 1657

Name: Enos H Jones
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Cutter
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 2113

Name: Enos Hopkins Jones
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1912
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1991
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Durham Northern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1
Page: 1438

<< << << << << << and another Enos Jones in the North East

1901 ( son of Enos fron Ruardean)
John William Jones abt 1892 Gavinston, Durham, England Son Crawcrook, Durham

Name: John W Jones
Name: Jane A Nichol
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Nichol
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 1796

Name: Enos Jones
Mother's Maiden Surname: Nichol
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1916
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 2071

Enos HOPKINS-JONES, b. 1853 Ruardean Hill (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:24:26 +0000

He discovered that he was baptised after their marriage , or held greater affection for his Mother and perhaps felt that he was a JONES after his Mother ( or older siblings on 1851 census).

You will probably never know.

Year 1850
Month Jun
Day 6
Parents Surname HOPKINS
Child Forenames Isabella
Fathers Forenames Enos
Mothers Forenames Isabella
Mothers Surname JONES
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H G Nicholls
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/2
Page Number 92
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Year 1851
Month Feb
Day 2
Parents Surname HOPKINS
Child Forenames Thomas Jones
Fathers Forenames Enos
Mothers Forenames Isabella
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H G Nicholls
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/2
Page Number 97
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Enos HOPKINS - JONES, b. 1853 Ruardean Hill (reply)

KerriSimps — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:15:13 +0000

Does raise the question about why they dropped the father's surname and became the Jones family...

I'm extremely grateful for all your help!

Kerri

Enos HOPKINS - JONES, b. 1853 Ruardean Hill (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:53:13 +0000

I've been compiling my family tree for over 4 years, and this is my only stumbling block.

24 hours and another road block cleared :-)

Enos HOPKINS - JONES, b. 1853 Ruardean Hill (reply)

KerriSimps — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:48:03 +0000

You are FABULOUS!

I think you could be right - I haven't looked through all your info yet, but I was just about to come on here with the details of Enos's marriage certificate. His father was ERNEST (Enos, most probably) HOPKINS JONES! He was deceased when his son married in 1882, but had also been a miner.

Neither Enos, his new father-in-law or his other witness were able to sign their names on the marriage certificate.

Thanks SO much. This side of the family is a mystery to me, but I'd heard they were lovely people, so I didn't want to give up!

Kerri

Enos HOPKINS - JONES, b. 1853 Ruardean Hill (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:39:28 +0000

This could well be your man, mother JONES (!) parents marry after his birth- Solved :-)

Year: 1820
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: HOPKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: GOODE
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Miles
Witness_2: Mark of Jane Nelmes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin A M Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

Year: 1824
Month: May
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: HOPKINS
Child_Forenames: Enos
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: W. Marshall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841Ruardean Hill
Josh Hopkin abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Hopkin abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amos Hopkin abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizh Hopkin abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Josh Hopkin abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Saml Hopkin abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Wm Hopkin abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Enos Hopkins abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isabella Hopkins abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Jones abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isabella Jones abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Enos Hopkins
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 184

Year: 1854
Month: Sept
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: HOPKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Enos
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hopkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Issabella
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: JONES
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Samuel Hopkins
Witness_2: Elizabeth Jordan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 73
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1859
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: HOPKINS
Child_Forenames: Enos
Fathers_Forenames: Enos
Mothers_Forenames: Isabella
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruerdean Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W A Whitestone
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 172
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861 Ruardean Hill
Emma Hopkins abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esabella Hopkins abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esabella Hopkins abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ennos Hopkins abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hopkins abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hopkins abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Hopkins abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Ruardean Hill
Ann Hopkins 46
Isabella Hopkins 50
Enos Hopkins 19
Thomas Hopkins 16
Elizabeth Hopkins 13
William Hopkins 11
Alice Hopkins 6
Harriett Hopkins 1

Year: 1881
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Surname: HOPKINS
Forenames: Enos
Residence: Ruadean Hill
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 146
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881
Isabella Hopkins abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Widow

leading to a son in Durham makes so much sense :-)

Name: Enos Hopkins Jones
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Volume: 10b
Page: 564

Enos JONES, (b. 1855 ish ) Ruardean ? (reply)

KerriSimps — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:55 +0000

I agree.

The census entries between 1881 and 1901 are certainly the correct person. John William, his son, was my great grandfather. Enos was still in Crawcrook, Durham, in 1911.

I think that he very strong accent may have caused a problem for officials in Durham, so am not even certain his name would have been listed correctly. I can find no trace prior to 1881 and a birth certificate search has proved fruitless so far.

I am still waiting for the postman to arrive with Enos (or Ernest, as written on the marriage record) and Esther's marriage certificate. I'm hoping this can shed a little light on matters..

Thanks,
Kerri

Enos JONES, (b. 1855 ish ) Ruardean ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:20:19 +0000

Instinct says "Roodeene" probably sounding like Ru-ding to an enumerator in Durham.

1881
Enos Jones abt 1854 Rudding Hill, Gloucestershire, England Prisoner Elvet, Durham Coal Miner

Ruddle nr Newnham ?
Ruardean Hill ?

Name: Esther Isabel Hope
Name: Ernest Jones
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 616

1891
Enos Jones abt 1856 Gloucestershire, England Head Plawsworth, Durham
Esther Jones abt 1861 Houghton-Le-Spring, Durham, England Wife Plawsworth, Durham
Thomas Henry Jones abt 1883 Felling, Durham, England Son Plawsworth, Durham
Esther Jones abt 1885 Spring Well, Durham, England Daughter Plawsworth, Durham
Enos H Jones abt 1888 Spring Well, Durham, England Son Plawsworth, Durham

1901
Enos Jones abt 1856 Nk, Gloucestershire, England Head Crawcrook, Durham
Esther Jones abt 1862 Hetton, Durham, England Wife Crawcrook, Durham
Thomas H Jones abt 1884 Littleburn, Durham, England Son Crawcrook, Durham
Esther Isabel Jones abt 1885 Housworth, Durham, England Daughter Crawcrook, Durham
Enos Jones abt 1888 Gavinston, Durham, England Son Crawcrook, Durham
John William Jones abt 1892 Gavinston, Durham, England Son Crawcrook, Durham
Frederick Jones abt 1898 Gavinston, Durham, England Crawcrook, Durham
Sidney Jones abt 1900 Gavinston, Durham, England Crawcrook, Durham

so where was he before 1881 ?

JONES, Enos (b. 1856)

KerriSimps — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:20:57 +0000

I've been compiling my family tree for over 4 years, and this is my only stumbling block.

My great-great grandfather, Enos Jones, is listed on the census returns as being born in Rudd Hill/Rudding Hill, Glos. Further research indicates that he spoke very little English and spoke mainly Welsh. People have directed me to the village of Ruardean Hill in Glos., which seems plausible.

He was a miner and the first record I can find of him is in 1881 (Durham Prison - haven't been able to find out why), and his later marriage listed him as Ernest (though this may be due to misinterpretation at the time). His eldest son is called Thomas Henry (I know this is sometimes carried down from the father or mother's father). That's everything I know.

I am awaiting receipt of his marriage certificate to give his father's name. I cannot find a birth certificate at all, and another forum has suggested their may be some confusion with the name Enos and Enoch.

Is anyone else reseaching the Jones family in the area at about this time? I appreciate any advice offered!

Thanks,
Kerri