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<title>Harriet BROWN 1845 Longhope  (MURRELL-REYNOLDS-BROWN link) (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The temporary choice of the BROWN surname &quot;seems&quot; to be linked to the Niece Harriet.  So now to find a link to Arnold or Winifred :-) or is the census trying to tell us she is a Niece to Comfort Reynolds</p>
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1871 Gloster Rd Harpers Mill<br />
 Arnold  Brown  Head  44  abt 1827  Male Clearwell    <br />
 Winefred  Brown  Wife  44  abt 1827  Female Flaxley  <br />
 Emma  Brown  Daughter  11  abt 1860  Female East Dean  <br />
 Joseph  Brown  Son  8  abt 1863  Male East Dean   <br />
 Arnold  Brown  Son  6  abt 1865  Male East Dean  <br />
 Rose  Brown  Daughter  4  abt 1867  Female East Dean  <br />
 Comfort  Reynolds  Mother  76  abt 1795  Female Blaisden    <br />
 Harriet  Brown  <span style="color:#090;">Niece </span> 24  abt 1847  Female Longhope    <br />
 Amos  Constant  Lodger  50  abt 1821  Male Longhope  </p>
<p>1861 Deerhurst<br />
Harriet Brown  abt 1844  Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Servant  ,  </p>
<p>1851 Longhope<br />
 William Brown  abt 1803  Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head  Longhope,  <br />
Ann Brown  abt 1801  N Wife  ,   <br />
 Harriet Brown  abt 1844  Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter     <br />
 Hannah Brown  abt 1849  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Daughter    </p>
<p><br />
Year: 1845 <br />
Month: Mar <br />
Day: 30 <br />
Parents_Surname: BROWN <br />
Child_Forenames: Harriett <br />
Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Anne <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Longhope <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: R N Raikes Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 93 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Longhope </p>
<p><br />
1841 Lower and Upper Longhope,<br />
 William Brown abt 1806  Gloucestershire,   <br />
 Ann Brown abt 1801  Gloucestershire, ,   <br />
Joseph Brown abt 1828  Gloucestershire, ,   <br />
 John Brown abt 1832  Gloucestershire, <br />
 Amelia Brown abt 1835  Gloucestershire, ,   <br />
 Mary Ann Brown abt 1838  Gloucestershire, ,  <br />
 Eliza Brown abt 1840  Gloucestershire, ,  </p>
<p>Year: 1824 <br />
Month: Nov <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: BROWN <br />
Grooms_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Age:  <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation:  <br />
Grooms_Residence: Longhope <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Surname: HARRISON <br />
Brides_Forenames: Anne <br />
Brides_Age:  <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Longhope <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: They both mark <br />
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Williams <br />
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Moore ?] <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Willia]m Pashley ?] Curate <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes: Film records are very faint and all around this period are hard to read. In this record the surname of the bride was not clear so best guess given <br />
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 14 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Longhope</p>
<p><span style="color:#f00;">&lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; Comfort REYNOLDS</span><br />
Year: 1820 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 28 <br />
Grooms_Surname: REYNOLDS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Samuel <br />
Grooms_Age:  <br />
Groom_Condition:  <br />
Grooms_Occupation:  <br />
Grooms_Residence:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Surname: CLIFFORD <br />
Brides_Forenames: Comfort <br />
Brides_Age:  <br />
Brides_Condition:  <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark:  <br />
Witness_1:  <br />
Witness_2:  <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister:  <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P154/12 <br />
Page_Number: 82 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester St Mary de Lode</p>
<p><br />
She is probably Comfort CONSTANCE ( given Amos CONSTANCE in the houshold too)</p>
<p>Year 1795 <br />
Month Aug <br />
Day 9 <br />
Parents Surname COLSTANT <br />
Child Forenames Comfort <br />
Fathers Forenames John <br />
Mothers Forenames Mary <br />
Mothers Surname  <br />
Residence  <br />
Occupation  <br />
Officiating Minister Tho[mas] Parker Vicar <br />
Event Baptism <br />
Memoranda  <br />
Notes This is assumed to be an error and should be CONSTANT <br />
Register Reference P83 IN 1/1 <br />
Page Number 169 <br />
Parish Chapel Churcham</p>
<p><br />
which might just be where the BROWN name came from, kept in the back pocket for the rainy day !</p>
<p>Year 1711 <br />
Month Apl <br />
Day 16 <br />
Grooms Surname CONSTANT <br />
Grooms Forenames Johannes <br />
Grooms Age  <br />
Groom Condition  <br />
Grooms Occupation  <br />
Grooms Residence Churcham <br />
Grooms Fathers Surname  <br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames  <br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation  <br />
Brides Surname BROWN <br />
Brides Forenames Maria <br />
Brides Age  <br />
Brides Condition  <br />
Brides Occupation  <br />
Brides Residence Tibberton <br />
Brides Fathers Surname  <br />
Brides Fathers Forenames  <br />
Brides Fathers Occupation  <br />
Licence or Banns  <br />
Date of Banns  <br />
Signature or Mark  <br />
Witness 1  <br />
Witness 2  <br />
Other Witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister  <br />
Event Marriage <br />
Memoranda  <br />
Notes  <br />
Register Reference PMF154/2 <br />
Page Number 44 <br />
Parish Chapel Gloucester Cathedral</p>
<p><span style="color:#3c0;">&lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; &lt;&lt; &lt;  MURRELL joins REYNOLDS </span><br />
Year: 1851 <br />
Month: Oct <br />
Day: 19 <br />
Grooms_Surname: MURRELL <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Arnold <br />
Grooms_Age: Full Age <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Miller <br />
Grooms_Residence: Flaxley <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Murrell <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller <br />
Brides_Surname: REYNOLDS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Winifred <br />
Brides_Age: Full Age <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Flaxley <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reynolds <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Woodman <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Rites and ceremo <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks <br />
Witness_1: James Hale <br />
Witness_2: Harriett Davis <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Lewis <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11 <br />
Page_Number: 62 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley</p>
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<title>Change of surname on Census Returns (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My x Grandfather was also a Miller who got into debt (family papers)....</p>
<p>1861 Census Rendcombe GLOS</p>
<p>William WICKENDEN - age 41 Miller, born Rendcombe ( Coln St Aldwyn on the 1851 census)<br />
Margaret WICKENDEN - age 40 - born Rendcombe (nee BURROWS)<br />
John WICKENDEN - age 15 - born Rendcombe</p>
<p>1871 census they moved to Blakeney Road, Awre to live with their younger Son William who was the local Butcher (still calling themselves WICKENDEN)</p>
<p>1881 Census, William and Margaret moved to Swindon,Wiltshire where he worked as a railway labourer on the GWR and going by William's mother's maiden name GREEN i.e.</p>
<p><strong><em>John WICKENDEN married Ann GREEN 19 December 1811 Coln St Aldwins</em></strong><br />
[/i]<br />
6 Brunel Street, Swindon, Wiltshire</p>
<p>William GREEN - age 58, Railway Labourer, born Coln St Alwins<br />
Margaret GREEN - age 56, Rendcombe, <br />
Martha WICKENDEN - Granddaughter age 5, born Ruardean</p>
<p><br />
and still hiding in 1891 census<br />
26 Farnsby Street, Swindon, Wiltshire</p>
<p>William GREEN age 72, Machineman, born Glos. Rendcombe<br />
Margaret - 68 born Rendcombe<br />
Susan GREEN - Sister age 65 born Coln St Alwins<br />
John WICKENDEN - <strong>Lodger</strong> - age 41 Railwlay Clerk - born Rendcombe<br />
William WICKENDEN - <strong>Lodger</strong>, age 17, Machineman - born Blakeney (my Grandfather)</p>
<p>Both William and Margaret's death certificate give their correct surname.<br />
On Margaret's death certificate, she was listed as being the Widow of a Retired Farmer!!!</p>
<p>My history isn't good.... but I think Millers had a 'tough time' in this era</p>
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<title>Change of surname from MURRELL to BROWN (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much!</p>
<p>Do you have any idea why they would have swapped and changed their surnames? Do you know if this is common? There are rumors in the family of some kind of debt being owed, could they possibly be trying to avoid this?</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
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<title>Change of surname from MURRELL to BROWN (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The family are on the 1871 census, Abinghall, District 29, Page 1 as BROWN</p>
<p>Gloster Road, Harpers Mills</p>
<p>Arnold BROWN - 44 - born Clearwell - Miller<br />
Winefred BROWN - 44 born Flaxley<br />
Emma - daughter age 11 - born East Dean<br />
Joseph BROWN - age 8<br />
Arnold BROWN - age 6<br />
Rose BROWN - age 4<br />
Comfort REYNOLDS - mother in law (Wid) age 76 born Blaisden - Seamstress<br />
<strong>Harriet BROWN - age 24, Niece, Dairy Maid, born Longhope (unmarried)</strong>  ??????</p>
<p>(Harriett BROWN, 30 March 1845, Longhope, parents William &amp; Anne)</p>
<p>Amos CONSTANT - age 50 Lodger - Ag Lab. born Longhope</p>
<p>1881 Census, Abinghall, District 29 - Page 11 of 12</p>
<p>Back to the name MURRELL</p>
<p>Arnold MURRELL - 55 - Miller (born Clearwell)<br />
Winnefred - 55<br />
Joseph 18 - a Miner</p>
<p>There is an Arnold BROWN age 12 Male Servant on the 1841 census for Westbury on Severn, at Lower Ley</p>
<p><br />
<em><strong>Winfred REYNOLDS and Arnold MURRELL married Sept Qtr 1851 (Westbury)</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em><br />
Arnold BROWN, <br />
Rosana - 13 </p>
<p>Elizabeth REYNOLDS, Niece - age 12 visitor - born Westbury<br />
Henry ADAMS - 16, Miner Longhope</p>
<p>On the 1851 census for Flaxley, District 8 page 3 of 14 </p>
<p>There is <br />
Arnold BROWN, age 28, Manservant, working for the Miller.  As Winifred was born Flaxley !!!!!</p>
<p><br />
1851 census Flaxley - Upper Forge</p>
<p>Samuel REYNOLDS - age 57 born Blaisdon (Farm Labourer)<br />
Comfort REYNOLDS - 50 born Flaxley<br />
Winifred REYNOLDS - 23  ditto<br />
William REYNOLDS - 15 ditto<br />
Ellen REYNOLDS - 11 ditto<br />
James REYNOLDS - 8</p>
<p>Arnold MERELL - christened 28 March 1828 (Clearwell) parents Joseph and Harriett</p>
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<title>Change of surname from MURRELL to BROWN</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have a degree in History I am a novice at family history research and really need some help! </p>
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I'm looking for someone to help me, or even help me understand some strange anomalies in my family history. I have been researching the family name Murrell and can find my ancestors Arnold Murrell and his son Joseph in 1861 census in the forest of dean area. They then disappear until 1891 when they return but not as Murrell but as Brown. I am 100% sure this is them and can trace them up until 1911 when Joseph is in the census as Joseph Brown Murrell with Brown scribbled out.</p>
<p>I can find the baptism and marriage records for the family - all in the name Murrell. They look a little like this:<br />
1. Joseph Murrell marries Harriet in 1826. Has a son Arnold.<br />
2. Arnold marries Winifred in 1851. Has a son Joseph.<br />
3. Joseph [2nd] marries Sarah Ann in 1886. Has a son Arnold.<br />
4. Arnold [2nd] marries Elizabeth in 1911.</p>
<p>It is Arnold 1st and Joseph 2nd that change from Murrell to Brown between the years 1861-91. Joseph and Arnold [2nd] and family continue to be Browns untill 1911. I can't find any of them before 1861 in the census, or after 1861 up until the name change which shows in 1891. Why?</p>
<p>Does anyone have any ideas? Can anyone help?</p>
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