Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Troedyrhiw in the parish of Merthyr Tydfil

Troedyrhiw in the parish of Merthyr Tydfil (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:24:59 +0000

Both are shown as coming from Methyr Tydfil, Wales - although the address for Alfred's wife is shown as Troedrhiw

There is no conflict in the statement :-

Troedyrhiw or Troed-y-Rhiw, in the parish of Merthyr Tydfil

Its a mining area so a flow of people to and from Cinderford / FoD was happening.

Troed-y-rhiw (The Foot of the Hill) is a small town just 3 miles from Merthyr Tydfil in south Wales.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/MerthyrTydfil/Troedyrhiw/
http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=3479982
http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/troedyrhiw.htm

just as a note :-
Cambria is the classical name for Wales, being the Latinised form of the Welsh name Cymru (Wales). So I guess the early settlers brought the name to Pennsylvania.

your family in 1911
1911
WILLIAMS MATILDA F 1878 33 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS MAY F 1906 5 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS WILLIE M 1904 7 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Thomas WILLIAMS 1848 Penzance,Cornwall -> Cinderford (reply)

DrDoug — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:38:14 +0000

My great-grandfather, Alfred WILLIAMS, was a coal miner and moved to Patton, Cambria, Pennsylvania, which is pretty much in the center of the state. He got a job in the mines there because the foreman, Fred MITCHELL, was also from Cinderford. I was born in Cambria County, Pennsylvania. None of my Williams relatives are left in the area, but I still have relatives on my mother's side and father's mother's side in the area. So, we keep in touch.

My great-grandfather actually immigrated to the US twice. The first time, in 1910, was with his brother Fred WILLIAMS. But Fred became ill and they went back to Cinderford. My great-grandfather, and later his family, re-immigrated in 1913.

According to my grandfather, during the period Alfred and Fred were first in the US his family lived in Troedyrhiw, Wales. I'm not sure what that connection is, but I did see that village mentioned in the Cinderford Baptist Church history. (I believe it was in connection with a minister that had come from there.) Any other connections that anyone knows about would be appreciated.

Another interesting thing that I found is that when Alfred returned to the US in 1913 he was traveling with a David WILLIAMS who was shown as going to Scranton, Pennsylvania. Both are shown as coming from Methyr Tydfil, Wales - although the address for Alfred's wife is shown as Troedrhiw. I have no idea who this David WILLIAMS is or his relation (if any) to Alfred Williams.

Thomas WILLIAMS 1848 Penzance,Cornwall -> Cinderford (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:44:21 +0000

I'm interested in those who went to live in the USA. Some of my family went to Canton in NE Pennsylvania where there appear to have been a large number of Welsh people. I know that Pennsylvania has a coal and iron industry which probably explains why they were all there.

Thomas WILLIAMS 1848 Penzance,Cornwall -> Cinderford pt2 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:37:34 +0000

1841
John Williams abt 1806 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall
Patiance Williams abt 1811 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall
Mark Williams abt 1833 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall
John Williams abt 1836 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall
Alice Williams abt 1839 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall
K N Williams abt 1841 Cornwall, England Madron, Cornwall

JOHN WILLIAMS
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Marriages:
Spouse: PATIENCE DANIEL
Marriage: 25 JUN 1832 Gulval, Cornwall, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M002771 1598 - 1812 0090232 Film 0883503 Film
M002771 1813 - 1837 0962555 IT 3 Film NONE
M002771 1838 - 1876 0246896 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

PATIENCE DANIEL
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 21 JUL 1811 Madron, Cornwall, England
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Parents:
Father: MARK DANIEL
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P001692 1687 - 1875 0254188, 0254190-91 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

nr Penzance
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Gulval/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Madron/index.htm

http://madronparishrecords.tripod.com/
21 Jul 1811 Patience d/o Mark Daniel of Morva at Madron

and further help here :-
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/

Thomas WILLIAMS 1848 Penzance,Cornwall -> Cinderford (reply)

DrDoug — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:04:34 +0000

Slowhands,

Thanks for the information. Part of my confusion is that I have my great-grandfather Alfred Williams' birth record and it gives Louisa's maiden name as Combs. It looks like you have the correct Thomas Williams - he was born in Cornwall (usually it is given in the census as Gulval - but Gulval is right next to Madron).

That also looks like a good match for Thomas' father, John Williams, (the family looks right), but there are two others in the Cinderford area that also match well. I know John Williams (as a widower) married Patience Morris (a widow) in 1851 - after the census - I have the marriage record. It is possible that his first wife was also Patience. I had found John Williams and Patience Daniels in the Gulval/Madron area, but not up in the Cinderford area, but wasn't sure if it was my John Williams or not.

Unfortunately, I am traveling at the moment and don't have all my information with me. When I get back home next week, I'll reconcile it with what I have.

But again, I really appreciate the info. Having the surname Williams and trying to match up a John Williams in the UK is a lot of fun. By the way, this John Williams' father is also John Williams. I know that from the marriage record of John Williams and Patience Morris.

My great-grandfather Alfred Williams married Matilda Dorrington (daughter of James Dorrington) and they emigrated to the US in 1913. The Bertie (Bert) Williams you showed is my grandfather. They settled in Pennsylvania - as coal miners. If anyone else is interested in this family, please let me know.

Doug Williams
Denver, Colorado, US

Thomas WILLIAMS 1848 Penzance,Cornwall -> Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:02:50 +0000

Year: 1907
Month: Apr
Day: 27
Surname: WILLIAMS
Forenames: Louisa
Residence: Heywood R[oa]d Cinderford
Age_at_death: 57 years
Officiating_Minister: E. Lewis Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 144
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1911
WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1846 65 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS BERTHA F 1886 25 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Williams abt 1848 Cornwall, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Williams abt 1848 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Williams abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1920
Matilda Williams name city, Cambria, Pennsylvania abt 1877 location race relation
Bert Williams name city, Cambria, Pennsylvania abt 1900 location race relation
Maud Williams name city, Cambria, Pennsylvania abt 1901 location race relation
May Williams name city, Cambria, Pennsylvania abt 1906 location race relation

1911
WILLIAMS MATILDA F 1878 33 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS MAY F 1906 5 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS WILLIE M 1904 7 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILLIAMS MAUD F 1901 10 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

1901
Alfred Williams abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Williams abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertie Williams abt 1899 Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Williams abt 1900 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Alfred Williams
Name: Matilda Dorrington
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 115

1891
Thomas Williams abt 1846 [Cinderford,] Cornwall, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Williams abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Williams abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Williams abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fred Williams abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Williams abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Williams abt 1848 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Head Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Leweza Williams abt 1848 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
George Williams abt 1871 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Sophia Williams abt 1873 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Joseph Williams abt 1875 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Alfred Williams abt 1877 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Son Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Williams abt 1879 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire

Year: 1870
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SHEAMER
Brides_Forenames: Louisa
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Sheamer
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Single Woman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Thomas Bann or Barnn
Witness_2: Blanch[?] Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Name: Louisa Coombs ?
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 82

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1871 Cinderford St Johns
John Williams 66 Cornwall Collier
Palmer [PATIANCE] Williams 57 London
Alfred Williams 16
Sophia Williams 12
Catherine Williams 10
James Morris 26

1861 Bilson Green, Cinderford
John Williams abt 1807 At Sea Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jalunt Williams abt 1815 London, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Williams abt 1847 Gulval, Cornwall, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Patient Williams abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Williams abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Williams abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Williams abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Morris abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Morris abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 Barracks
John Williams abt 1811 Cornwell Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mark Williams abt 1834 Cornwell Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Williams abt 1839 Cornwell Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Williams abt 1847 Cornwell Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Thomas WILLIAMS Cinderford (reply)

DrDoug — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:13:10 +0000

My Great-Great-Grandfather was a Thomas Williams from Cinderford. I don't know if he was an umbrella maker, but suspect he was a coal miner. His father was John Williams and his wife was Louisa Combs. His son, Alfred, emigrated to the US with his family in 1910 and again in 1913. I don't know much about Thomas or his family and even less about the Combs.

Doug

Thomas WILLIAMS Cinderford (reply)

karen — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:45:01 +0000

any information on a Thomas Williams an umberella maker ? shop in cinderfor high street
thanks karen

Thomas WILLIAMS 1855 Canton,Cardiff -> Cinderford (reply)

karen — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:04:23 +0000

thankyou all a bit stange but keep it in mind
karen

John HILL 1847 - WoS -> Canton, Cardiff (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:12:45 +0000

a coincidence or maybe something stronger

Year: 1847
Month: Nov
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: HILL
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Westbury
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: T M Wetherell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

1851 lower Ley
Elizabeth Hill abt 1824 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire farmer
John Hill abt 1848 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
John Williams abt 1825 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Dec
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Westbury
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: TL Montifin [?]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 149
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

1861 Broken cross Ley
John Williams abt 1825 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire farmer
Thomas Williams abt 1853 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Martha M Williams abt 1855 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
John Hill abt 1848 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Mary Trigg abt 1820 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Sister-in-law Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Mary Butler abt 1856 Whitminster, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

1871 Canton Cardiff
John Hill 23 Westbury Glo
Samantha Hill 23 cardiff
Henry J Hill 1 cardiff
John Hill 2 months cardiff
Thos Williams 18 Stepbrother in law ! Westbury Glo (?)
Annie Aanes 22 servant

1881
John Hill abt 1848 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan
Lauretta Hill abt 1848 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan
Thomas Henry Hill abt 1870 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan
Emmeline E. Hill abt 1873 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan
Robert Percy Hill abt 1877 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan
Vincent Hill abt 1880 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan

1891
John Hill abt 1848 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Lauretta Hill abt 1848 Cardiff Wife St Mary, Glamorgan
John Hill abt 1871 Cardiff Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Emmeline E Hill abt 1873 Cardiff Daughter St Mary, Glamorgan
Robert P Hill abt 1877 Cardiff Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Vincent Hill abt 1880 Cardiff Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Richard Hill abt 1882 Cardiff Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Hubert Hill abt 1885 Cardiff Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Lauretta E Hill abt 1888 Cardiff Daughter St Mary, Glamorgan

1901
John Hill abt 1849 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Lauretta Hill abt 1849 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
John Hill abt 1871 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Emmeline E Hill abt 1874 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Vincent Hill abt 1880 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Hubert Hill abt 1885 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Lauretta E Hill abt 1888 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan

Thomas WILLIAMS Cinderford (reply)

karen — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:36:03 +0000

thankyou slowhands that is the family wife elizabeth with children think he must have been born cardiff and she was born neath is there any newspaper obituries on the site think he died 1917 have found an entry at st john's cinderford for buriel may that year and definatley have found elizabeth for 1937 buriel just received death cert for her she was returned to st john's for buriel from blackwood
thanks karen

Thomas WILLIAMS 1855 Canton,Cardiff -> Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:12:45 +0000

Year: 1937
Month: Dec
Day: 2
Surname: WILLIAMS
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: At 3 Sorrell`s Houses Blackwood
Age_at_death: 77 (approx 1859/60)
Officiating_Minister: R R Somervell Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 212
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1911
WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1855 56 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire cardiff
WILLIAMS ELIZABETH F 1855 56 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire neath

1901 Flaxley rd
Thomas Williams abt 1858 Canton Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Umbrella maker
Elizth Williams abt 1857 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Williams abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Williams abt 1889 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Williams abt 1895 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Thomas Williams abt 1859 Cardiff Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Williams abt 1861 Neath Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm G Williams abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Williams abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1811 ??, How Caple Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1895 ??
Month: Mar
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Thomas George
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Hawker
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Mar 4 1895
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 242
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

possible
1871 Canton
William Williams 67 St Fagans
Mary Williams 34
Thomas Williams 14 cardiff

1871 Canton Cardiff
John Hill 23 Westbury Glo
Samantha Hill 23 cardiff
Henry J Hill 1 cardiff
John Hill 2 months cardiff
Thos Williams 18 Stepbrother in law ! Westbury Glo (?)
Annie Aanes 22 servant

Thomas WILLIAMS Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:29:25 +0000

Kelly's Directory - Cinderford
1902

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/cinderford1902.htm
WILLIAMS Thomas, umbrella maker

I have between 8 and 11 possibles - do you have any further information to help narrow the search

1911
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1862 49 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1855 56 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1868 43 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1866 45 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1846 65 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1861 50 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1894 17 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1876 35 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS JAMES M 1854 57 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS JAMES M 1900 11 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD WILLIAMS THOMAS M 1905 6 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Thomas WILLIAMS Cinderford

karen — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:08:31 +0000

looking for any info on a Thomas Williams living in Cinderford and was an umberella maker from 1911 onwards
thankyou
karen