Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar)

Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar) (reply)

John_Mullen — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:59:44 +0000

It was on the basis of the daughter that I sent for that certificate, which gives name, age, occupation (Oilman), cause of death (accidentally killed), date of death, date of coroner's inquest but no relations names.

Margaret EDWARDS 1890 Tredegar area (reply)

smt — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:55:08 +0000

Thank you so much, i shall send for them now, and let you know how i get on.
You are a mind of information and am so grateful.

Suzanne in Cardiff

Margaret EDWARDS 1890 Tredegar area (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:47:40 +0000

a possible

Name: Margaret Edwards
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 103

not too far away

Name: Margaret Jane Edwards
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 1
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 373

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smt — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:33:37 +0000

PS has anybody managed to find a birth cert. reg. for Maggie J Edwards as i have tried and tried but cannot find one.
Cannot find Maggie on 1901 or 1911 census.I have even thought that she could be the daughter of Mary Jane Edwards, who was working in Cardiff on the 1891 census and on her marriage cert. living at 102 Carlisle Street Splott Cardiff 16/07/1898.
On the 1911 census Frank Rodway her husband has written that they have had 5 children, 5 alive and no deaths, this coresponds to the 5 children she had from 1899 to 1910. my grandmother being her first born.
From stories my dad has told me, Lucy Edwards wore widows weeds from the time Edward died, This made me think would Maggie have been her daughter, or could Maggiehave been her eldest daughters child, unless i can find a birth cert for her, i might never know.
Suzanne in Cardiff

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smt — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:21:28 +0000

Hi
Lucy Edwards nee Jones was my greatgreat grandmother, married Edward Edwards 16/08/1868.
Gladwell had me stumped for ages.
Richard Edwards died 03/07/1884 in Tredegar
Elizabeth Edwards 12/03/1873 30 Park Row Tredegar.
They had in all that i can find 12 children born in the forest of Dean and Tredegar.
Mary Jane was my great grandmother, i am still trying to find out about Maggie J Edwards, even up to 5 mins ago, sending an email to my cousin, who's mum is quite talkative at the moment about the past.
I have 2 death certs for an Edward Edwards 26/06/1890 thinking this was the one as corresponded to daughter being born, he was 43 an oil man accidently killed. I went up to Tradegar to read the papers, this Edward was not married, so could not be mine, still to the fact of where did Maggie J Edwards come from?
The 2nd death cert. is 07/05/1884 Park Row Tredegar, they have him as 33years old where he should be 38yrs. Collier died from Phthisis and E Edwards was the informant, living in Aberman Glam. i put that down to Enos,and that they lived on the 1881 census at 45b Park row.
Suzanne in Cardiff

Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar) (reply)

grunson — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:04 +0000

Interesting that Edward Edwards d. 1890 doesn't seem to be the correct person as Lucy Edwards has a ten month old daughter in the 1891 census. It would presumably be useful to know who is recorded as her father.

Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar) (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:02:56 +0000

The entries for 1861 and 1871 seem positive that this is the Edwards family I wanted and as I am helping another person, I'll contact him with your information.

I trust this board will be referenced and thanked for its help.

Lucy EDWARDS nee JONES 1851 ish Tredegar (reply)

John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:31:59 +0000

Hello slowhands,

I have all that information and her marriage certificate.

many thanks,

John

Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar) (reply)

John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:30:08 +0000

Hello slowhands,

Many thanks for all the information, I know of the Edwards family in Drybrook Parish and the subsequent children in Tredegar. The children are recorded in the Parish Register of Baptisms at St. George's Church, Tredegar. I have just received the death certificate of Edward Edwards for 1890 and there is no indication that it is the Edward I seek; there is another death registration for an Edward Edwards in 1884 who may be the person and I was not aware of Richard's death in 1884 (co-incidence?). The entries for 1861 and 1871 seem positive that this is the Edwards family I wanted and as I am helping another person, I'll contact him with your information.
regards,
John

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John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:57:23 +0000

Hi grunson,

I am aware of the 1851 census entry, that Edwards family originated in Lydbrook of Drybrook parish, the last four children were born in Tredegar - all the others in Lydbrook. i cannot find this famiy in 1861 census.
reagrds,
John

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John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:52:38 +0000

Hi Pete,

On the 1881 Census page, there is a person aged 66, this figure looks different from that used in Richard's age, but as it is the only time that I can find him in any census, I'll look at the Clearwell Richard.

regards,
John

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John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:49:31 +0000

Hi Pete,

I have just received that death certificate, there is no indication that it is the Edward Edwards that I am seeking. There was another Edward who died in 1884, whom I shall have to check.
regards,
John

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John_Mullen — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:46:09 +0000

Hi Pete,

Yes it is, I am aware of this census entry, my problem is defining where & when her husband Edward & father-in-law Richard came from in Gloucestershire.

many thanks,

John

Lucy EDWARDS nee JONES 1851 ish Tredegar (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:24:03 +0000

1901 ?
Lucy Edwards abt 1854 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Roath, Glamorgan Widowed

1891 Shop Row Tredegar
Lucy Edwards abt 1853 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
James Edwards abt 1870 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1879 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Lucy Edwards abt 1883 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Maggie J Edwards abt 1890 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1881 45 Park Row Tredegar
Richard Edwards abt 1831 Gladwel, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire Widow Collier
Edward Edwards abt 1850 Gladwel, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Lucy Edwards abt 1851 Tredegar, Monmouth, Wales Daughter in Law Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
James Edwards abt 1869 Tredegar, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Mary Jane Edwards abt 1871 Tredegar, Monmouth, Wales Granddaughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1871 21 Park row Uwchlawreoed Tredegar
Edward Edwards 22
Lucy Edwards 20
James Edwards 1

1861
George Jones abt 1827 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Mary Jones abt 1827 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Rachel Jones abt 1846 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Jones abt 1847 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Lucy Jones abt 1850 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Jemima Jones abt 1852 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Mary Jane Jones abt 1854 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Alice Jones abt 1857 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Llewellin Jones abt 1860 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1851
George Jones abt 1825 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire Haulier
Mary Jones abt 1825 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Jones abt 1847 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Rachael Jones abt 1848 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
[Rachael] Jones abt 1850 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

unnamed daugther shown aged 1

Richard EDWARDS 1803 Upton Gloucester ( Lydbrook - Tredegar) (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:23:19 +0000

Name: Richard Edwards ???
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 73
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 51

Name: Edward Edwards
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 43
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 55

Gladwel = Upton or UstL ?

Son Edward is born in Tredegar ( Reg Abergavenny I guess in 1847) error by Enumerator !

1871 Park Row
Richard Edwards 67 Forest of Dean
Elizabeth Edwards 62 Westbury on Severn
Joseph Edwards 36
Hannah Edwards 34
David Edwards 17
John Morgan 19

1861 Park Row
Michael [RICHARD] Edwards abt 1804 Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1809 Gasthorpe,[WESTBURY] Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Enos Edwards abt 1845 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Edward Edwards abt 1847 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Richard Edwards abt 1853 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1851 Park Row Tredegar
Richard Edwards abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1808 Wisbry, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1828 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
William Edwards abt 1830 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Adelaid Edwards abt 1832 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Joseph Edwards abt 1834 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Thomas Edwards abt 1836 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
George Edwardsabt 1838 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
James Edwards abt 1840 Lydrebnok, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Enos Edwards abt 1843 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Edward Edwards abt 1847 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Sarah Edwards abt 1849 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Marther Edwardsabt 1851 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1841 Extra Parocial Lydbrook
Richard Edwards abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Edwards abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Adelaid Edwards abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Joseph Edwards abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Edwards abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Thomas Edwards abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Edwards abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1828
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: EDWARDS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J. Chell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 79
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1830 EDWARDS William Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1832 EDWARDS Adelaide Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1834 EDWARDS Joseph Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1836 EDWARDS Thomas Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1838 EDWARDS George Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1840 EDWARDS James Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook
1842 EDWARDS Sarah Anne Richard Elizabeth Sawyer Drybrook

RICHARD EDARDS
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 JAN 1804 Saint Leonards Upton, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH EDARDS
Mother: MARTHA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C049341 1569 - 1812 0427798 Film 6911969 Film
Sheet: 00

possible ?
JOSEPH EDWARDS
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARTHA POWELL
Marriage: 30 APR 1802 Haresfield, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M028971 1565 - 1567 0394497 Film 6911725 Film
M028971 1758 - 1812 0425430 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

SURNAME: EDWARDS (reply)

grunson — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:55:24 +0000

There is an Edward Edwards, the son of Richard and Elizabeth, who appears in earlier censuses in Tredegar (same road, different house numbers) with a considerable number of siblings and is consistently given as born in Tredegar. However his year of birth was around 1847 which is inconsistent with the 1871 and 1881 censuses and the age 18 you quote at the time of marriage, though it is consistent with the death registration mentioned by pclark on this thread. Richard seems to be consistently born nearer 1806 somewhere in Gloucestershire (it says Upton St Leonards in the 1861 census where he is transcribed as Michael by Ancestry). Obviously that puts a question mark over the age of Richard in 1881 which looks like 50.

Lucy looks like she may be in Roath in the 1901 census living alone, with her daughter Lucy not far away. Her age there is more consistent with the 1891 census with a year of birth around 1853 rather than 1850.

slowhands has listed the full census entries.

I've no idea what the 1881 census is trying to say. It looks like Adnel or Asnel to me, and its not my part of the world anyway.

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pclark — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:51:40 +0000

I would have a punt at Clearwell(Poss Coleford).

Richards age in 1881 could be 56? which would put his birth c1825?.

But this is just a wild shot.

Pete

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pclark — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:07:33 +0000

Possible Death? Sepr 1/4 1890

Edwards Edward 43 Bedwelty 11a 55

Pete

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pclark — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:01:28 +0000

Is this your Lucy?

1891 Census

Name: Lucy Edwards Widow
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar
Town: Tredegar
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Pete

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Lucy Edwards 38 Widow
James Edwards 21
Elizabeth Edwards 12
Lucy Edwards 8
Maggie J Edwards 10/

SURNAME: EDWARDS

John_Mullen — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:35:17 +0000

Edward Edwards married Lucy Jones in 1868, both aged 18 yrs, in Tredegar, Monmouthshire. In 1871 Census, RG10/5319 Folio 62 Page 8 in Tredegar, Edward is 22yrs born in Tredegar; in 1881 census RG11/5242 Folio 57 Page 15 in Tredegar, Richard Edwards aged 50 yrs, is head of house with Edward his son, aged 31 yrs with wife Lucy and Son James. Both Richard & Edward are listed as born in Gladwell, Gloucester, there is an apparent mistranscription by the L.D.S., for a respected colleague from Woolaston does not know of this place - thought it might be Abnell (Abenhall); however neither Richard nor Edward Edwards of their respected ages in 1881 census can be found. Can anyone help, please?