Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Elizabeth Damaris (POWELL) PROUT 1862-1886 Yorkley

Elizabeth Damaris (POWELL) PROUT 1862-1886 Yorkley (reply)

jerigby — Tue, 14 May 2013 20:22:47 +0000

How helpful you are on this site. I was trying to place an Elizabeth POWELL born c 1871 on the census as grandaughter of John Morgan and Damaris Morse. They had only one daughter Mary so I knew she must be her mother but couldn't find a marriage for her. I still can't but I believe she married George Powell PROUT. No wonder I could not find a marriage for her to a POWELL. Elizabeth turned out to be Elizabeth Damaris Powell PROUT There are quite a few Damaris's in my Morse tree so I knew this was right. Elizabeth married George Charles FLETCHER in 1886 but she appeared to die soon after her marriage.

Also a bonus was her brother John Morse Powell PROUT born in Yorkley and emigrated to Australia. So thanks to this forum I have been able to grow my family tree.

Thanks again.

Janet

MORGAN's in Oldcroft area (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 13 May 2013 12:34:59 +0000

This twit said "But why wasn't he on 1851 Census with the family ? Perhaps he dies before 1851 ?"
You correctly point out "This burial is in 1856 after the 1851 census, so he is not dead ;-)"

Ooops..... ! :-0

I could say "he was just resting", or maybe "I was wondering who'd spot my deliberate mistake", but I think this one even surpasses anything the great Captain Mainwaring could do.

If I had ever earned a stripe you could rightly tear it off.
Sorry, I'm going for a lie down now !!.

Thanks S ! :-)

MORGAN's in Oldcroft area (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 13 May 2013 07:06:13 +0000

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Could this be your James born 1840 ??

Record_ID: 35587
Entry_Number: 77
Year: 1856
Month: Aug
Day: 24
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: James
Residence: Viney Hill
Age_at_death: 17 years
Officiating_Minister: Hy Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/34
Page_No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: M625

But why wasn't he on 1851 Census with the family ? Perhaps he dies before 1851 ?

This burial is in 1856 after the 1851 census, so he is not dead ;-)

This may be another Oldcroft MORGAN :-

1841 Oldcroft
James Morgan abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amelia Morgan abt 1813 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amelia Morgan abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Jones abt 1832 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

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Now assuming he hasn't just left the home, I'm sure you've searched, is this his death on FreeBMD, it's the best fit I can find in the district.

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcribers
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Deaths Dec 1873
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Morgan William 29 Monmouth 11a 27 YPH
Morgan William 29 Monmouth 11a 27 derone

From this site's PRs, I wonder if it should read age 31 not 37 ?? (I cannot see a match on FreeBMD for a 37year old dying at this time), you might like to request a Check of this PR ??;

Record_ID: 44396
Entry_Number: 104
Year: 1872
Month: Jul
Day: 19
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: William
Residence: Oldcroft
Age_at_death: 37
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 351
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: M625

This is the William Morgan that better matches the above burial

Name: William Morgan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872
Age at Death: 38
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 10

who may well be this William MORGAN
1871 Yorkley Slade / Viney Hill
William Morgan 36
Mary Morgan 37
William Morgan 10
Minnetta Morgan 7
Sarah Morgan 5
Morgan 14 Weeks

JOHN MORGAN of Pillowell, dies Feb 23rd 1886 (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 12 May 2013 22:52:07 +0000

Hi Janet,

I suggest this is John's burial, from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 77081
Entry_Number: 432
Year: 1886
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: John
Residence: Pillowell
Age_at_death: 68
Officiating_Minister: Jno. (sic) (John) Jos[ep]h Ebsworth (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: M625

Before finding this PR I searched all "John Morgan" Burials in Monmouth District during 1880-1891 on FreeBMD and this was the closest match age-wise. Now I see the precise location fits too, his widow Daramis was living in Pillowell at 1891 Census.

From the Wills section of this site;

Details of Will

Surname MORGAN
First Name John
Abode Pillowell West Dean
Occupation Collier
Year Proved 1889
Page Number 286
Year of Death 1886
Month of Death Feb
Day of Death 23
Value Under £8
Document Will
Notes
Will Number Will_02241

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/wills/search_testator.html

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Could this be your James born 1840 ??

Record_ID: 35587
Entry_Number: 77
Year: 1856
Month: Aug
Day: 24
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: James
Residence: Viney Hill
Age_at_death: 17 years
Officiating_Minister: Hy Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/34
Page_No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: M625

But why wasn't he on 1851 Census with the family ? Perhaps he dies before 1851 ?

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How about, probably much more likely I think.
Old Croft is only 1/2 mile from Pillowell/Yorkley so seems to fit the family's home area from 1851 etc Census'.
Please do you have the household's place of residence for the 1841 Census, to compare against ??

Record_ID: 35119
Entry_Number: 404
Year: 1846
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: James
Residence: Old Croft
Age_at_death: 5 years
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/29
Page_No: 51
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: M625

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Searching William I find (as I'm sure you did);

Record ID 49919
Entry Number 382
Year 1843
Month Apl
Day 16
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames [Dam}
Mothers Surname
Residence Yorkley
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister Henry Poole
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P245 IN 1/10
Page Number 48
Parish Chapel Parkend

Now assuming he hasn't just left the home, I'm sure you've searched, is this his death on FreeBMD, it's the best fit I can find in the district.

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcribers
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Deaths Dec 1873
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Morgan William 29 Monmouth 11a 27 YPH
Morgan William 29 Monmouth 11a 27 derone

From this site's PRs, I wonder if it should read age 31 not 37 ?? (I cannot see a match on FreeBMD for a 37year old dying at this time), you might like to request a Check of this PR ??;

Record_ID: 44396
Entry_Number: 104
Year: 1872
Month: Jul
Day: 19
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: William
Residence: Oldcroft
Age_at_death: 37
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 351
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: M625

Again "Oldcroft".

?????

JOHN MORGAN AND DAMARIS MORSE (reply)

jerigby — Sun, 12 May 2013 20:33:15 +0000

John Morgan born 1815 West Dean married Damaris Morse at Awre on 21 November 1836. Damaris Morse was born 1818 daughter of John Morse and Damaris Bailey.

1841 Census

John MORGAN 25 Head Collier
Damaris MORGAN 20 Wife
Mary MORGAN 5 Daughter
James MORGAN 8 months son

1851 Census at Yorkley

John MORGAN 37 head Coalminer
Damaris MORGAN 38 wife
William MORGAN 87 son

1861 Census not found

1871 Census at Yorkley

John MORGAN 57 Head Coalminer
Damaris MORGAN 53 Wife
William MORGAN 28 Son Iron Miner (Unmarried)
Elizabeth POWELL 10 Granddaughter

1881 Census at Yorkley

John MORGAN 66 Head Coalminer
Damaris MORGAN 63 Wife

1891 Census at Pillowell

Damaris Morgan 83 Head Widow

1901 Census at Pillowell

Damaris MORGAN 83 Widow living on own means

Damaris died in 1901.

In the 1871 census Elizabeth Powell is classed as a grandaughter. The mother is likely to be Mary married to a Powell but I cannot find Mary after 1841 and no marriage to a Powell. Also son James doesn't appear after 1841 and William after 1871. I have searched the FOD Parish Records but can't find any possible burials. Also no record of John Morgan's death after 1881.

Any help would be appreciated.

Janet

{Admin note - post moved to prior post which I believe answers parts of this question}

Elizabeth POWELL 1861/2 Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:43:07 +0000

There are several Eliza(beth) Powell's in Monmouth Reg in the correct time period - I can't be sure of which one :-)

Elizabeth Powell 1860 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire

Elizabeth Rose Powell 1860 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Jane Powell 1861 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Eliza Ann Powell 1862 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Powell 1862 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Powell 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Eliza Powell 1863 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Powell 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire

George (POWELL) PROUT 1817 -1883 Yorkley (reply)

mikehowes — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:52:43 +0000

Thanks for all that.
I have noted another mention of Elizabeth as a witness to a marriage as follows:
"John Jones & Esther Hallaway married at Parkend on 6 May 1877 - witnessed by Elizabeth Damaris Prout Powell".
So there seem to be plenty of clues but so far no positive reference to her birth date and place. Surely she must be in the GRO index under one of her names, so I'll just keep on looking. Thanks for your help.

George (POWELL) PROUT 1817 -1883 Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:59:42 +0000

another family in the area

Year: 1817
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: PROUT
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hester
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1836
Month: Dec
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: PROUT
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PRIEST
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Preest
Witness_2: Elizabeth Cooper
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. W. Sheppard Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: bride and first witness appear to have signed Preest
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 302
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1841 Yorkley
George Prout abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Prout abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Prout abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Geo Powell Prout abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Powell Prout abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Powell Prout abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Prout abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amy Prout abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Prout abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: PROUT
Forenames: James Powell
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 2 years 3 months
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Surname confirmed from Death Register vol 11a page 11
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/29
Page_No: 80
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861 Moseley Green
George Prout abt 1816 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Prout abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Ann Prout abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Prout abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amey Prout abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Prout abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ruth Prout abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Elizabeth Prout abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Maurice Prout abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
George P Puset 55
Ann P Puset 56
Emma P Puset 18
Ruth P Puset 16
Maurice P Puset 11

1881
George Prowt abt 1816 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Prowt abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1883
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Surname: PROUT
Forenames: George Powell
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 67
Officiating_Minister: Jno. (sic) (John) Jos[ep]h Ebsworth (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Elizabeth Damaris (POWELL) PROUT 1862-1886 Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:42:08 +0000

Year: 1886
Month: Feb
Day: 17
Surname: FLETCHER
Forenames: Elizabeth Damaris
Residence: Pillowell
Age_at_death: 24
Officiating_Minister: Jno. (sic) (John) Jos[ep]h Ebsworth (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Name:Elizabeth Damaris P Prout
Name: George Charles Fletcher
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 37

a possible from Yorkley; Damaris MORSE grandmother ?

1881 Millend House
Elizabeth Prout abt 1861 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Servant Aylburton, Gloucestershire

1881 Pillowell
John Morgan abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Damaris Morgan abt 1818 Awre Parish, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Pillowell
John Morgan 57 West dean
Damaries Morgan 53 West dean
William Morgan 28 West dean
Elizabeth Powell 10 grandaughter West dean

1861

1851 Yorkley
John Morgan abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Damaris Morgan abt 1818 Blakeden, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841
John Morgan abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Damaris Morgan abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1836
Month: Nov
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Forest of Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: MORSE
Brides_Forenames: Damaris
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Forest of Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of John James
Witness_2: Mary Anne Morse
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: with Consent of Parents
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 92
Parish_Chapel: Awre

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who is probably a daughter of -
1891
George P Prout abt 1832 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Herefordshire

1881
George P. Prout abt 1832 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Herefordshire

1871
George Prout abt 1832 Viney Place, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Shevington, Lancashire

death
Name: Mary Powell ???
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1*

1861
George Prout abt 1832 Blakeney Hill West Dean Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Prout abt 1836 Yorkly West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire ,
John Morse Powell abt 1859 Yorkly West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Prout Powell abt 1861 Yorkly West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

POWELL John Morse
POWELL MORGAN
1859 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 14 348

1841 Viney Hill
Margaret Powell abt 1796 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Margaret Powell abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Emma Powell abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Powell abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1832
Month: Jan
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: POWELL alias PROUT
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Timothy
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Purlieu - Parish of Lydney
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 122
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

siblings
1828 POWELL Margaret Timothy Margaret Labourer Lydney
1830 POWELL Emily Timothy Margaret Labourer Lydney

Year: 1801
Month: Feb
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: POWELL
Child_Forenames: Timothy
Fathers_Forenames: W[illia]m
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Elizabeth Damaris P Prout

mikehowes — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:57:41 +0000

In early 1886 George Charles Fletcher married Elizabeth Damaris P Prout. On 17 Feb 1886 Elizabeth, aged 24, was buried in Parkend. I cannot find Elizabeth's birth date on this site or on the GRO index.
Does anyone know the birth date and place of Elizabeth?