Marriages Jun 1897
Carpenter Mary Jane Westbury S. 6a 471
DREW Albert James Westbury S. 6a 471

Year: 1897
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: Albert James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Drew
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Emmanuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: CARPENTER
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Carpenter
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Jacob
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Meredith
Witness_2: Annie Baldwin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: [In column for date] Whitsun Day
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

and in 1901 was living in Ruspidge Road. In the Census they are living next door to her mother Caroline who had married William Byett:
1901 Census
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
67 Albert J Drew Head 24 1877 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
67 Mary J Drew Wife 23 1878 Female Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
67 Stanley A Drew Son 3 1898 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
67 Hilda J Drew Daughter 1 1900 Female Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
67 Moses Phillips Visitor 46 1855 Male Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England
67 Eliz M Phillips Visitor 46 1855 Female Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England
67 Francis Phillips Visitor 11 1890 Male Bream, Gloucestershire, England
67 Omey L Phillips Visitor 11/12 1900 Female Burford, Shropshire, England

68 William Byett Head 50 1851 Male Soudley, Gloucestershire, England
68 Caraline Byett Wife 46 1855 Female St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
68 Clara Byett Daughter 17 1884 Female Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 Harry Byett Son 15 1886 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 John Byett Son 13 1888 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England

Albert died in 1934:
Burial:
Year: 1934
Month: Feb
Day: 24
Surname: DREW
Forenames: Albert James
Residence: Ruspidge Road
Age_at_death: 58
Officiating_Minister: Leslie R J Moon
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: B/16/7
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 174
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

and Mary Jane remarried in 1940:

Year: 1940
Month: Aug
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: HALE
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruspidge Rd
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HALE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: collier [decd]
Brides_Surname: DREW
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruspidge Rd
Brides_Fathers_Surname: CARPENTER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Job Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: collier [decd]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: W McCarthy
Witness_2: W Byett
Other_Witnesses: H J White
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 118
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

and died in 1967:
Deaths Jun 1967
Hale Mary J 89 F.of Dean 7b 348

Mike

Gwenn

Mike

I came across a newspaper article which my Mother had and it reads:-

Happy Birthday Ann!
Mrs Ann Weyman of Ruspidge this week celebrated her 103rd birthday. Born in Cheltenham, she moved to the Forest of Dean when she married Forest miner Edward Carpenter, her first husband. Despite a fall three years ago, when she broke both wrist and a hip, Mrs Weyman is a regular visitor to Dilke Hospital and the Highview Centre. Unfortunately though, she is no longer able to accompany her family to matches at Cinderford Rugby Club, of which she is a great supporter.

My mother has written at the bottom of this article "Annie Carpenter - Aunt of A.E Drew March 9th 1990/Dec 1992
(I dont know what the dates refer too and unfortunately I can not ask my Mother)

A.E Drew is my Grandfather
The Mother of A.E Drew is Mary Jane Carpenter 1877
So Annie would have married Edwin/Edward John Carpenter 1879

1881 Census
Caroline CARPENTER Other M Female 28 Forest of Dean Domestic Servant
Mary Jane CARPENTER Other Female 4 Forest of Dean
Edwin John CARPENTER Other Male 2 Westbury on Severn
Rose Matilda CARPENTER Other Female 3 m Westbry on Severn

I would really like to find out more about Annie (maiden name) and hopefully I will one day.
Maybe I will try an ad in Dean Forest Mercury as my Mother did many years ago for family members.

Thank you once more
Gwenn

Mike

One question if I may, in perhaps the same way the name Harry is with Henry, do you or anyone else know if Edwin is a derivative of Edward ?.

and that they had a son in 1914. This is from the GRO Online Index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARPENTER, WILLIAM EDWARD HENRY JAMES
GRO Reference: 1914 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 1349

Annie is said to be the daughter of William Henry James and Isabella Watkins.
This is the marriage:
Marriages Sep 1884
JAMES William Gloucester 6a 473
Watkins Isabella Gloucester 6a 473

and this is Ann's birth:
Births Jun 1887
James Ann Victoria Cheltenham 6a 410

William Edward Henry CARPENTER married twice:
Marriages Dec 1933
Carpenter William E H Holder Westbury S. 6a 618
Holder Doris M Carpenter Westbury S. 6a 618

Marriages Mar 1948
Carpenter William E H Weyman F.of Dean 7b 827
WEYMAN Ivy E Carpenter F.of Dean 7b 827

It would appear that Ivy was the daughter of Maurice WEYMAN who married Anne V CARPENTER.

Births Sep 1917
Weyman Ivy E Mansell Westbury S. 6a 377

Year: 1912
Month: Oct
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: WEYMAN
Grooms_Forenames: Maurice
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: St Stephens Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WEYMAN
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Merchant
Brides_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Forenames: Edith Mary
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: The Morse
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Henry Coofrey
Witness_2: Flora Mary Mansell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1917
Month: Aug
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: WEYMAN
Child_Forenames: Ivy Alice
Fathers_Forenames: Maurice
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest Road
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 15
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

Mike

Births Mar 1879
Carpenter Edward John Westbury S. 6a 280

Year: 1879
Month: Jan
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: CARPENTER
Child_Forenames: Edward John
Fathers_Forenames: Job
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford Workhouse
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 183
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

In 1891 he is with his William Byett and his mother as follows:

Ruspidge
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
William Byett Head Male 40 1851 Soudley, Glos
Caroline Byett Wife Female 35 1856 St Briavels Gloucestershire England
William Byett Son Male 17 1874 Ruspidge
Edwin Byett Son Male 12 1879 Ruspidge
Jane Byett Daughter Female 13 1878 Ruspidge
Eliza Byett Daughter Female 13 1878 Ruspidge
Clara Byett Daughter Female 7 1884 Ruspidge
Henry Byett Son Male 5 1886 Ruspidge
John Byett Son Male 3 1888 Ruspidge
George Byett Son Male 2 1889 Ruspidge
Phillip Byett Son Male 8/12 1890 Ruspidge

Moving on to 1901 we find the Byett family still in Ruspidge:
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
68 William Byett Head 50 1851 Male Soudley, Gloucestershire, England
68 Caraline Byett Wife 46 1855 Female St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
68 Clara Byett Daughter 17 1884 Female Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 Harry Byett Son 15 1886 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 John Byett Son 13 1888 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England

On the same page is this couple:
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
65 Edward J Carpenter Head 22 1879 Male Westbury on Severn
65 Mary A Carpenter Wife 21 1880 Female Shipley, Yorkshire, England

and it would appear that Edward married in Yorkshire:
Marriages Sep 1900
Carpenter Edward John Bradford, Y. 9b 90
Holmes Mary Ann Bradford, Y. 9b 90

Births Sep 1879
Holmes Mary Ann Bradford, Y. 9b 224

We then move on to 1911 and find Mary Ann back in Shipley but Edward is missing:
1911 Census:
3 Taylor St Shipley, Shipley, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Mann Head Married Male Platelayer Mid Rly 50 1861 Goote Yorks
Florence Mann Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Shipley Yorks
John Mann Son - Male - 9 1902 Shipley Yorks
Walter Mann Son - Male - 7 1904 Shipley Yorks
Norman Mann Son - Male - 4 1907 Shipley Yorks
Mary Ann Carpenter Boarder Married Female Woolcomber 32 1879 Shipley Yorks
Eric Carpenter Son - Male - 7 1904 Ruspidge Glouce
Alice Carpenter Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Bingley Yorks
Florence Mann Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Shipley Yorks

A search of GRO Index finds the following births:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: :
CARPENTER, ERIC EDWARD HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in KEIGHLEY Volume 09A Page 163
CARPENTER, GEORGE CALBERT HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 700

CARPENTER, ALICE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 300
CARPENTER, MAUD HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 297
CARPENTER, OLIVE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 668
CARPENTER, ROSE ELSIE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 653

Finding Edward John in 1911 is proving a problem. This is the nearest match:

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Tom Kerry Head Married Male Colliery Lamp Cleaner Above Ground 31 1880 Derbycounty Stanley Parish Transcription
Mary Ann Kerry Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Nottingham Transcription
Mary Ann Kerry Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Edna May Kerry Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Iris Kerry Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Harriett Kerry Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Edward Carpenter Boarder Single Male Miner 30 1881 Gloucester County West Dean

Edward John is listed in the Electoral Register in 1904 at Ruspidge
1904
Cinderford Ruspidge 1904 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Edward John Carpenter 1904 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England

This together with the 1911 Census for Mary Ann suggest that they parted company.

We next find Edward in the 1927 Electoral Register and this gives us the full forenames of his then wife/partner

Gloucestershire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1974
Forest of Dean 1927
Edward John Carpenter 1927 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lower Ruspidge, Cinderford
Ann Victoria Carpenter 1927 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lower Ruspidge, Cinderford

Next we find them in the 1939 Register:
1939 Register
Carpenter Household (2 People)
74 Ruspidge Road , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Edward J Carpenter 02 Jan 1879 Male Coal Hewer Heavy Worker Married 208 1
Anne V Weyman (Carpenter) 07 Mar 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 208 2

Edward dies in 1946
Year: 1946
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Surname: CARPENTER
Forenames: Edward John
Residence: 74 Ruspidge R[oa]d Cinderford
Age_at_death: 68 years
Officiating_Minister: A E Follows Methodist Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: 23/46 written in margin
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/16
Page_No: 6
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

and Anne marries in 1950:

Marriages Dec 1950
Carpenter Anne V Weyman F.of Dean 7b 697
Weyman Maurice CARPENTER F. of Dean 7b 697

Ann dies in 1992

Name: Ann Victoria Weyman
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1887
Date of Registration: May 1992
Age at Death: 105
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1777

This does not provide Ann(e)'s maiden name and we continue our searches.

Mike

From FreeBMD here's the marriage record which you've found, which at least points towards a time and place, being relatively recent means there will be less records available;

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1963 (>99%)

CARPENTER ANNE [E-] WEYMAN ST.ALBANS 4B 487
WEYMAN FREDERICK J CARPENTER ST.ALBANS 4B 487

From the record image I think she is definitely "Anne E"
The other FreeBMD records suggest Frederick was not born near Gloucestershire or even the West Country.

So if you have any more info it would help, please, thanks.

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UPDATE:

Looking at all the FreeBMD marriage records for all the Edwin J Carpenters post 1911, I now find this record which MAY be your Anne, but needs further work to be sure. Don't know why my search earlier didnt spot this, sorry !

Surname First name(s) Mother/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)

Brooks Jesse Reading 2c 807
Carpenter Edwin J Reading
Goddard Bertha Reading 2c 807
Squires Annie E Reading 2c 807

FreeBMD shows birth records for several! Anne E and Annie E Squires in the likely 1880-1890 era, none are from our area at all, or Reading for that matter.
This also places some doubt on the 1963 Marriage Record being for our Anne aged 65+

?????

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IMPORTANT FURTHER UPDATE AND APOLOGY !

Clearly havinbg a bad day here, despite my "reading" the earlier posts in this thread I didn't see this rather obvious clue, SORRY Gwenn !

The 1881 Census tells us that his wife Caroline and 3 children were in the Workhouse at Westbury on Severn:

Caroline CARPENTER Other M Female 28 Forest of Dean Domestic Servant
Mary Jane CARPENTER Other Female 4 Forest of Dean
Edwin John CARPENTER Other Male 2 Westbury on Severn
Rose Matilda CARPENTER Other Female 3 m Westbry on Severn

I cannot find his Birth record c1879 on FreeBMD, including searching "male Carpenter" etc.
Apart from confirming the above 1881 Census record, the usually helpful FamilySearch site doesn't give any more hard clues that I can find, apart from suggesting an "Edwin John Carpenter born England c1875" and his wife (not Annie) migrated to Canada in 1920.

Sorry for my confusion, busy day here, I'll try and revisit this again this evening.
J

I am trying to find some information on the wife of Edwin John Carpenter.
All I know is her name was Anne E. (no Surname)
Anne E later married Frederick J Weyman

Would anyone know anything about Anne E (Annie)

Thank you
Gwenn

The 1881 Census tells us that his wife Caroline and 3 children were in the Workhouse at Westbury on Severn:

Caroline CARPENTER Other M Female 28 Forest of Dean Domestic Servant
Mary Jane CARPENTER Other Female 4 Forest of Dean
Edwin John CARPENTER Other Male 2 Westbury on Severn
Rose Matilda CARPENTER Other Female 3 m Westbry on Severn

Source Information:
Institution "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Census Place Westbury On Severn, Gloucester, England
Family History Library Film 1341609
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2525 / 153
Page Number 6

And it would appear that Caroline married again in 1887:
Marriages Dec 1887
BYETT William Westbury S. 6a 466
Carpenter Caroline Westbury S 6a 466

Hopefully someone can help in finding Job after 1880.

Good luck
Mike

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