Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Rose RUSSELL 1884 Cinderford

Rose RUSSELL 1884 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:41:05 +0000

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is this Rose ?
1901
Rose Russell abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Gloucester, Gloucestershire

Year: 1884
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: RUSSELL
Child_Forenames: Rose
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Pembroke Road
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jul 19 1884
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

Name: Rose Russell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 250

1891 Station St Cinderford
William Russell abt 1842 Minsterworth, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Russell abt 1849 Greenbottom, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maude Russell abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Russell abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Russell Wabt 1881 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice M Russell abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rose Russell abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Minnie E Russell abt 1886 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Laura Russell abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lilian Russell abt 1891 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

George Ernest PHELPS 1876 Ledbury (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:08:41 +0000

This may or may not relate but I have found this entry on the passenger lists on FindMyPast.

Mr & Mrs Geo. E. PHELPS and infant

Occupation: farming

Ages 29, 26 and 1

Departure date: 28 June 1906

Port of departure: London

Destination port: Fremantle

Ship: Omrah

The age of George is right as born in 1876 but suggests if it is the same George he was
married and had family before he left England.

possible sightings in Hunter NSW

George Phelps gender 1930 New South Wales Hunter city
Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1930 New South Wales Hunter city

George Phelps gender 1936 New South Wales Hunter city
Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1936 New South Wales Hunter city

George Phelps gender 1937 New South Wales Hunter city
Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1937 New South Wales Hunter city

George Phelps gender 1943 New South Wales Hunter city
Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1943 New South Wales Hunter city

Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1954 New South Wales Hunter city

Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1958 New South Wales Hunter city

Rose Hannah Phelps gender 1963 New South Wales Hunter city

This is what it needs to fit with

Marriage

PHELPS Ernest
RUSSELL Rose
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1903 13 10

and daughter

PHELPS Edith May
PHELPS RUSSELL
1903 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 11 486

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is this Rose ?
1901
Rose Russell abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Gloucester, Gloucestershire

1901
Rose Russell abt 1879 Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

George Ernest PHELPS 1876 Ledbury (reply)

helenb — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:02:19 +0000

This may or may not relate but I have found this entry on the passenger lists on FindMyPast.

Mr & Mrs Geo. E. PHELPS and infant

Occupation: farming

Ages 29, 26 and 1

Departure date: 28 June 1906

Port of departure: London

Destination port: Fremantle

Ship: Omrah

The age of George is right as born in 1876 but suggests if it is the same George he was
married and had family before he left England.

PHELPS Family George & Lydia (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:44:32 +0000

For seven years I have been looking for George Ernest, Ralph, and Florence. Children of George and Lydia. Their other child Thomas Walter was my Grandad.My father was called Ralph born 1905 but known as Robert or Bob ( I believe he was named after his Uncle). I found Ralph on 1901 census aged 10 with his parents. There was talk of someone in the family going to Canada but I had no luck so I switched to Australia and there they were on 1930 census 1. George Ernest and wife Rose Hannah nee Russell who married 1903 at Newham (George under the name of Ernest) they had a daughter in 1903 called Edith May.2 Ralph who married a widow at the age of 40 in 1939 and also their mother Lydia who died in 1939. Their graves can be seen on the internet in a well kept cementary at Kurri Kurri New South Wales. This district was a big mining area in 1900.George Ernest next living child was born in Kurri Kurri 1907 followed by 2 more living sons.
I would like to know when Ralph and his mother went to Australia I cant find them on 1911 census?
Here is a coincidence the person who went to Canada was Robert Yemm (son of Jane Phelps my Great Great Aunt)who married Leah "Kate" White from the Forest. They had a daughter Catherine "Kate" born 1898 in The Forest. Kate married a Roderick McKinnon in Canada and moved to America about 1919

In Australia George's daughter Edith May married a Harold T McKinnon but died 1924 aged 21 years.

Six years ago my own daughter married a John McKinnon in Bedfordshire his grandfather was from Tyree.

Great Grandad George died 1930 he lived Horsepool Bottom.I would love to know when his wife went to Australia

starter

1901
George Phelps abt 1851 Plump Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Phelps abt 1853 Brains Green, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Phelps abt 1880 Plump Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ralph Phelps abt 1891 Horseport Bottom, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Phelps Family George & Lydia (reply)

judy — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:39:55 +0000

For seven years I have been looking for George Ernest, Ralph, and Florence. Children of George and Lydia. Their other child Thomas Walter was my Grandad.My father was called Ralph born 1905 but known as Robert or Bob ( I believe he was named after his Uncle). I found Ralph on 1901 census aged 10 with his parents. There was talk of someone in the family going to Canada but I had no luck so I switched to Australia and there they were on 1930 census 1. George Ernest and wife Rose Hannah nee Russell who married 1903 at Newham (George under the name of Ernest) they had a daughter in 1903 called Edith May.2 Ralph who married a widow at the age of 40 in 1939 and also their mother Lydia who died in 1939. Their graves can be seen on the internet in a well kept cementary at Kurri Kurri New South Wales. This district was a big mining area in 1900.George Ernest next living child was born in Kurri Kurri 1907 followed by 2 more living sons.
I would like to know when Ralph and his mother went to Australia I cant find them on 1911 census?
Here is a coincidence the person who went to Canada was Robert Yemm (son of Jane Phelps my Great Great Aunt)who married Leah "Kate" White from the Forest. They had a daughter Catherine "Kate" born 1898 in The Forest. Kate married a Roderick McKinnon in Canada and moved to America about 1919

In Australia George's daughter Edith May married a Harold T McKinnon but died 1924 aged 21 years.

Six years ago my own daughter married a John McKinnon in Bedfordshire his grandfather was from Tyree.

Great Grandad George died 1930 he lived Horsepool Bottom.I would love to know when his wife went to Australia

George PHELPS 1850 Hazel Hill / Horsepool Bottom (reply)

lebeeuk — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:51:42 +0000

There's a record for a Hannah WOOD marrying William RUDGE Q2 1876, Cheltenham, Gloucs. This appears to be the most likely as she is still shown as Hannah WOOD in the 1871 census. There definitely appears to be a case of history repeating itself in this family since Hannah's youngest son Walter Henry also appears to be born out of wedlock as Hannah is listed as single woman on his baptism record, George WOOD being shown as deceased on the baptism record of the middle child George WOOD.

George PHELPS 1850 Hazel Hill / Horsepool Bottom (reply)

helenb — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:39:53 +0000

Have found it interesting to read this thread as I hadn't caught on that George E Phelps was illegitimate. George PHELPS who married Lydia WOOD was my Great Great Grandfather through his son Thomas Walter PHELPS who married Blanche LEWIS (nee ROBERTS) in approx 1926. They had ten children between 1901 and 1915, the last being my grandfather Sidney PHELPS. Blanche had a son from her first marriage, Cyril LEWIS born in 1898. I do not know why they didn't marry until 1926 unless it was that her first husband died around the same time and she had not divorced him. It took a while to find the childrens birth registrations until someone pointed out that they were under LEWIS with PHELPS being taken as a middle name. They presumably dropped the Lewis when their parents married.

Lydia WOOD's mother Hannah WOOD (nee STIDDER) appears to have remarried by 1881 as George and Lydia's daughter Florence is staying with her grandparents in the 1881 census - William RUDGE and Hannah RUDGE. I have found an entry for a marriage of a Hannah WOOD on the freebmd site Qtr MAR 1862 Westbury S 6a 297 but the other side of the entry is missing. I am assuming that it could be William RUDGE.

Lydia WOOD 1853 dau of George WOOD and Hannah STIDDER (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:46:12 +0000

Year: 1853
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: WOOD
Child_Forenames: Lydia
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blakeney
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 75
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Year 1852
Month Apr
Day 11
Grooms Surname WOOD
Grooms Forenames George
Grooms Age Of full age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Labourer
Grooms Residence East Dean
Grooms Fathers Surname Wood
Grooms Fathers Forenames William
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname STIDDER
Brides Forenames Hannah
Brides Age Of full age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Abbenhall
Brides Fathers Surname Stidder
Brides Fathers Forenames Edward
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer
Licence or Banns Not stated
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 George Malson
Witness 2 Ellen[?] Stidder
Other Witnesses Mark of Edward Stidder
Officiating Minister James Davies Rector
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P1 IN 1/12
Page Number 53
Parish Chapel Abenhall

George Ernest PHELPS 1876 Ledbury (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:37:53 +0000

Registered as :-

Name: George Ernest Phelps
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ledbury
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 488

Christened as :-

Year: 1880
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WOOD
Child_Forenames: George Ernest
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Lydia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East-Dean
Occupation: [blank]
Officiating_Minister: S.J. Johnson
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Age 4. B[astard]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 62
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

George PHELPS 1850 Hazel Hill / Horsepool Bottom (reply)

reporter — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:36:57 +0000

Thanks Slowhands - the George E Phelpes in the 1881 census was actually George E Wood, bastard son of Lydia.

The fog is clearing!

George PHELPS 1850 Hazel Hill / Horsepool Bottom (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:04:08 +0000

Name: George Phelps
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 492

1851 Hazel Hill
Thomas Phelps abt 1822 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Phelps abt 1823 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Beata Phelps abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Phelps abt 1850 ( 4 months old) East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Horsepool Bottom
Thomas Phelps abt 1822 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Phelps abt 1823 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Beatta Phelps abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Phelps abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Phelps abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rachel Phelps abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Phelps abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: George Ernest Phelps
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ledbury
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 488

1881 nr The Wilderness
George Phelpes abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Abinghall, Gloucestershire
Lydia Phelpes abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abinghall, Gloucestershire
George E. Phelpes abt 1877 Ledbury, Hereford, England Son Abinghall, Gloucestershire
Thomas W. Phelpes abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Abinghall, Gloucestershire

George PHELPS bn abt 1851 married Lydia (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:24:37 +0000

In our tree we have a Thomas Phelps (baptism from this site - Aug 1821 Abenhal).
Thomas married Charlotte Roberts born abt 1823 East Dean (date and place of birth taken from census).
They had several children, including George Phelps, (baptism from this site -Dec 1849 Cinderford.
Our Phelps line descends from a marriage between Elizabeth Phelps (baptism from this site - Nov 1851 Cinderford) and Thomas Herbert (baptism from this site - Nov 1850 Ruardean)
Elizabeth's parents were:
John Phelps (baptism from this site - 1813 Abenhall) and Elizabeth Jackson (born abt 1823, age taken from 1841 census)
John's parents were:
James Phelps (baptism possible but not proven taken from this site - Dec 1778 Kempley, 1841 census gives possible date of birth as 1786)and Prudence Goode (possible date of birth 1786 taken from 1841 census.

Having now given as much information as I hold to the ancestral line of our Phelps, I believe there is a connection between the George Phelps born abt 1851, and who married Lydia.
If the person who posted the original query (or anyone else who is interested in this family) sends me a message off line I would be more than happy to provide the whole tree as it is much too large to post on the forum.
Regards Jean Herbert

George PHELPS bn abt 1851 married Lydia (reply)

reporter — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:17:36 +0000

Thanks - An interesting possibility; in the 1861 census she does appear of right age and place of birth, g'dau of "Edward Hidden" and his wife "Sarah Stidda" (according to the transcription) and presumed daughter of widow Hannah Wood. Anyone prepared to offer ideas on the original text? - I can't make it out! Her sib Edward was born Abinghall, same place as George's Parents Thomas Phelps and Charlotte Roberts.

Had discounted this initially as George and Lydia had two children prior to this marriage, George Ernest 1877 and Florence Louise 1878. [On re-examination, Florence Louise was born 15 months prior to Baptism 1 Aug 1880 Abenhall......and George Ernest has another place of birth - Ledbury, Herefordshire, on 1881 census......]

Update: here's some evidence that Lydia was Lydia Wood

Record_ID: 1262
Entry_Number: 492
Year: 1880
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WOOD
Child_Forenames: George Ernest
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Lydia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East-Dean
Occupation: [blank]
Officiating_Minister: S.J. Johnson
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Age 4. B[astard]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 62
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

George PHELPS bn abt 1851 married Lydia (reply)

wyerunner — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:31:03 +0000

Hi
You don't give any idea of where this marriage may have been but I assume it would be in the general area of FOD or GLOS.

Have you noticed on Free BMD there is a possibility?
June Q. 1879
George PHELPS at Hereford
One of the 2 females mentioned is called Lydia WOOD. You would have to check the certificate to see if this is yours.

George PHELPS bn abt 1851 married Lydia

reporter — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:36:46 +0000

Am seeking the marriage of George, son of Thomas Phelps and Charlotte Roberts, who married a Lydia (in censuses 1881, 91, 01), but can't spot the marriage in the parish records, BMD, IGI. Need the marriage to confirm or otherwise this George is the right one. The George who marries Sarah is a different one, son of John and "not mine". Any help, please?