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<title>&quot;Friends&quot; Trow, owner Charles then Edwin SILVEY, 1880-1912 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nigel and welcome to the forum.<br />
I suspect you already know this as it's on a public website, but if only for the benefit of other researchers this excellent website has much detail about the Epney</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cotswoldcanalsheritage.org.uk/page_id__132_path__0p2p51p.aspx">http://www.cotswoldcanalsheritage.org.uk/page_id__132_path__0p2p51p.aspx</a></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;"><br />
&quot;A Directory of Ships,<br />
Connections with the Parishes around Saul Junction&quot;<br />
By Rachel Williams<br />
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My mother, a member of the Silvey family of Epney, was given these notes by the late Wilf Rowles in July 1979.  She had been able to provide some information about various members of her family who had sailed on the ships which are listed here.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;"><br />
&quot;FRIENDS<br />
Trow.  Ketch Rigged.  Two Masts.<br />
Official Number.  16341.<br />
International Code.  M. B. D. K.<br />
Dimensions.     72.1 ft x 16.5 ft x 6.2 ft<br />
Gross Tons.  85.  Registered Tons.  70.<br />
Port of Registry.  Gloucester.<br />
Built at Brockweir, River Wye, in 1844, by Thomas Swift.<br />
Owner.  Thomas Swift, Merchant, Monmouth.  (64 shares)<br />
Master.  James Brown.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Registered anew as No 5, in 1848.  Chepstow.<br />
No. 5.  10.8.1848<br />
Details, Owner and Master - as above.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Transactions.  1.1.1868.<br />
Mary Sarah Hyam - Widow,  James Davis - Jnr. maltster and William John Hyam - corn factor, all of Monmouth, executors of the late Benjamin Price Hyam, executor of the late Thomas Swift, sold the whole to Thomas Richard Hyam, Merchant and ship-owner, Monmouth</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Trans.   17.4.1876.<br />
The whole sold to Charles Brown, Ship-master, Brockweir.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Trans.   23.10.1878<br />
The whole sold to Thomas Brown, Ship-master, Brockweir.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Trans.   21.1.1880<br />
The whole sold to Charles Silvey, Ship-master, Epney, Glos.<br />
Registered anew at Gloucester, 22.7.1882.<br />
In 1882, the vessel was raised (ie built up) and lengthened by Benjamin Gardiner of Framilode.  Her tonnage was altered thus:- Gross Tons - 110.<br />
Reg Tons - 99.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">Trans.   -   -  1917.<br />
The whole sold to Lewis Bull, Ship-owner, Cardiff, who in August 1919, sold her to the Fairhaven Shipping Company Ltd.  In September 1919, she was sold to Greek owners.  The Gloucester Registry was then closed.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">I have no evidence of her going to Greece, although this may have been so.  I would rather think she was owned by the London Greeks, who operated a lot of craft up on the London River.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">My Mercantile Navy List, for 1912, a publication which catered for the smaller type of vessel and similar to a Lloyds Register, gives the FRIENDS as being owned by Edwin J. T. Silvey, Epney, Nr. Stonehouse, Glos., and her R/T as 85.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#309;">These particulars do at times get crossed, due to the fact that the dear old boys did not always report a change of ownership.  The schooner and ketch records have been a little more difficult to trace on account of change of name but, fortunately, the O.N. always remains the same, with the exception of one or two vessels.&quot;<br />
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<p> <br />
The Silvey family is also shown as owners of these ketch-rigged trows;<br />
&quot;Effort&quot;, &quot;Oliver&quot; and &quot;Gloucester&quot;(pictured).</p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/Docs/Saul_Ship_Archive.pdf">http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/Docs/Saul_Ship_Archive.pdf</a></p>
<p>I wonder if the above mention of changes of name explains the census stating &quot;Brothers&quot;, as there's no ship of that name on either account ?</p>
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<p>Again, probably nothing new but the aforementioned Felix Silvey is shown as a crew member of this ship during the 1881 Census, in Swansea port.</p>
<p>Vessel: &quot;Hannah&quot; <br />
Richard HILLMAN      M 44  M Framilode, Gloucester, England Master<br />
Dennis HILLMAN      M 34  M Framilode, Gloucester, England Mate<br />
Felix SILVEY      U 19  M Epney, Gloucester, England AB<br />
Thomas SMITH      U 19  M Epney, Gloucester, England OS<br />
<a href="http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/Swansea81.html">http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/Swansea81.html</a></p>
<p>This website from the far opposite coast of the UK discusses a Goole (Humberside) artist Reuben Chappell who painted the vessels using that busy port at the end of the C19th.<br />
&quot;a Reuben Chappell painting of the &quot;Epney Lass&quot; of Gloucester.... There was an Epney Lass which was a Severn barge of 64 tons net built at Saul Junction in 1860 reg no 27875 owned by Felix Silvey of Epney&quot;<br />
<a href="http://www.goole-on-the-web.org.uk/main.php?key=784">http://www.goole-on-the-web.org.uk/main.php?key=784</a></p>
<p>Be they Thames barges or Severn trows, &quot;coasters&quot; were so very important to Britain's everyday business even late into the C19th. This site gives some background.  <a href="http://www.livinggloucester.co.uk/histories/river_severn/at_work/severn_trows/">http://www.livinggloucester.co.uk/histories/river_severn/at_work/severn_trows/</a></p>
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<p>Altho strictly speaking not discussing trows, I feel I should share this great film I've just found, a delightful 1950s colour documentary showing the goods then being carried by barges up the Severn from Avonmouth to Worcester, including a great sequence of busy Gloucester docks with the heavy dockside crane in full steam.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfmuQRrRp8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfmuQRrRp8</a></p>
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<p>Thanks Nigel for your interesting query, I do hope some of this is of interest.</p>
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<title>Orlando SILVEY 1864 - 1931 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Varian my name is Nigel Pell I have just started a search of the silvey family. My grandfather was Harold who was the son of Orlando master mariner who I think was the son of Charles. I have seen that a few of the family were at see and owned a ship named friends if you have any unfo that you think may be of use to me I would be very grateful. Kind regards Nigel</p>
</blockquote><p>Name: Orlando Silvey <br />
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1864 <br />
Registration district: Wheatenhurst <br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 259  </p>
<p>1871 <br />
Charles Silvey 39 <br />
Eliza Silvey 39 <br />
Clara Silvey 16 <br />
Eliza Silvey 14 <br />
Billota Silvey 12 <br />
Charles Silvey 10 <br />
Felisks Silvey 8 <br />
Orlando Silvey 5 <br />
Esabela C Silvey 4 </p>
<p><br />
1881 &quot;Brothers&quot;<br />
Orlando Silvey  abt 1865 Epney Nr Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England   Vessels, Glamorgan </p>
<p>SILVEY Orlando <br />
COOKE Ellen <br />
Gloucester Framilode St Peter  <br />
1888 19 No 1 81 </p>
<p><br />
1891<br />
Orlando Silvey  abt 1865 Epney, Gloucestershire, England Head Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Ellen Silvey  abt 1868 Epney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Harold James Silvey  abt 1890 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Canton, Glamorgan </p>
<p><br />
1901<br />
Orlando Silvey  abt 1865 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Head Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Ellen Silvey  abt 1868 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Wife Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Harold Silvey abt 1890 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Oscar Silvey  abt 1892 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Wallace Silvey Oabt 1894 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Canton, Glamorgan  <br />
 Stanley Silvey  abt 1897 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Canton, Glamorgan</p>
<p>1911 Northumberland St Canton Cardiff<br />
Olando Silvey 47 <br />
Ellen Silvey 44 <br />
Harold Silvey 21 <br />
Oscar Silvey 19 <br />
Wallace Silvey 17 <br />
Stanley Silvey 14 </p>
<p><br />
Name: Orlando Silvey <br />
Birth Date: abt 1865 <br />
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1931 <br />
Age at Death: 66 <br />
Registration district: Wheatenhurst <br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 514</p>
<p>Name: Orlando Silvey <br />
Probate Date: 14 Mar 1938 <br />
Death Date: 26 Jan 1931 <br />
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England <br />
Registry: Llandaff </p>
<p>Name: Ellen Silvey <br />
Probate Date: 12 Feb 1938 <br />
Death Date: 23 Jan 1938 <br />
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England <br />
Registry: Llandaff</p>
<p><br />
&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>Name: Harold J Silvey &amp; Lillian M Toop<br />
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 <br />
Registration district: Cardiff <br />
Inferred County: Glamorgan <br />
Volume Number: 11a <br />
Page Number: 529 </p>
<p>Name: Valerie M Silvey <br />
Mother's Maiden Surname: Toop <br />
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 <br />
Registration district: Cardiff <br />
Inferred County: Wales <br />
Volume Number: 11a <br />
Page Number: 661 </p>
<p><br />
Name: Valerie M Silvey &amp; Arthur B Pell<br />
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948 <br />
Registration district: Newport <br />
Inferred County: Monmouthshire, Shropshire <br />
Volume Number: 8c <br />
Page Number: 583 <br />
 <br />
Name: Harold J Silvey <br />
Birth Date: abt 1890 <br />
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963 <br />
Age at Death: 73 <br />
Registration district: East Glamorgan <br />
Inferred County: Glamorganshire <br />
Volume: 8b <br />
Page: 306 </p>
<p>Name: Harold James Silvey <br />
Probate Date: 6 Jun 1963 <br />
Death Date: 11 May 1963 <br />
Death Place: Llandaff <br />
Registry: Gloucestershire, England</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Varian my name is Nigel Pell I have just started a search of the silvey family. My grandfather was Harold who was the son of Orlando master mariner who I think was the son of Charles. I have seen that a few of the family were at see and owned a ship named friends if you have any unfo that you think may be of use to me I would be very grateful. Kind regards Nigel</p>
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<title>Charles SILVEY 1832 - 1884 Epney (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1841 Epney<br />
William Silvey abt 1804 Gloucestershire, England Moreton Valerie, Gloucestershire Ag Lab<br />
John Silvey abt 1803 Gloucestershire, England Moreton Valerie, Gloucestershire  Ag Lab<br />
 Mary Silvey abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Moreton Valerie, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charles Silvey abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Moreton Valerie, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Maryann Silvey abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Moreton Valerie, Gloucestershire <br />
  <br />
Name: Charles Silvey <br />
Name: Eliza Hillman<br />
Year of Registration: 1850 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun <br />
District: Wheatenhurst <br />
County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 11 <br />
Page: 649 </p>
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1851<br />
Charles Silvey  abt 1833 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza Silvey  abt 1834 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Wife Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Jane Silvey  abt 1851 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1861<br />
 Charles Silvey  abt 1833 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
Eliza Silvey  abt 1833 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Wife Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Jane Silvey abt 1851 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Edwin J Silvey abt 1853 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Son Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Clara Silvey  abt 1855 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza Silvey  abt 1857 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Velitia Silvey  abt 1859 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charles Silvey abt 1861 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Son Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire </p>
<p><br />
1871<br />
Charles Silvey 39 <br />
Eliza Silvey 39 <br />
Clara Silvey 16 <br />
Eliza Silvey 14 <br />
Billota Silvey 12 <br />
Charles Silvey 10 <br />
Felisks Silvey 8 <br />
Orlando Silvey 5 <br />
Esabela C Silvey 4 </p>
<p><br />
1881 Epney<br />
 Charles Silvey abt 1833 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  Vessel Owner<br />
 Eliza Silvey  abt 1833 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Wife Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
Violetta Silvey  abt 1859 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charles Silvey abt 1861 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Son Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Isabella Silvey  abt 1867 Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>Name: Charles Silvey <br />
Estimated birth year: abt 1832 <br />
Year of Registration: 1884 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec <br />
Age at Death: 52 <br />
District: Gloucester (1837-1937) <br />
County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 190</p>
<p><br />
Framilode, Gloucestershire<br />
St Peter's Churchyard</p>
<p>Charles h/o Eliza SILVEY of Epney,<br />
7 Nov 1881, 52<br />
Mary Jane, d, 19 Nov 1826, 25<br />
Eliza, w/o 16 April 1905, 75</p>
<p>Felix, h/o Susannah SILVEY,<br />
Of Epney, 28 Aug 1922, 60<br />
Susannah, w, 11 Sep 1939, 78</p>
<p>Orlando h/o Ellen SILVEY,<br />
26 Jan 1931, 66<br />
Helen, w, 23 Jan 1938, 70</p>
<p>Reginald Granville, s/o<br />
Edwin &amp; Emma SILVEY,<br />
27 July 1909, 17</p>
<p>Charles SILVEY, 29 Sep 1914, 54<br />
Harriet, w, 25 Sep 1938, 70</p>
<p>Edwin J. T SILVEY,<br />
16 April 1918, 65<br />
Emma J. SILVEY, w, 15 March 1919, 65<br />
Stewart, s, 24 April 1916, 33</p>
<p><br />
some backgrond on SILVEY family <br />
 <a href="http://www.longneyandepney.co.uk/History/orington.html">http://www.longneyandepney.co.uk/History/orington.html</a></p>
<p>&lt; The  (  Samuel Knight and Felix) SIlvey buses were a familiar sight to me &gt;<br />
 <a href="http://www.junctionheritage.org.uk/page_id__135.aspx">http://www.junctionheritage.org.uk/page_id__135.aspx</a></p>
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<title>William Silvy  and Anne Whittle</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have William Silvy,who married Anne Whittle <br />
(no further info known) on 17 Jun 1791 in Moreton Valence.<br />
Anne Whittle died 20 May 1799 in M.V.<br />
William and Anne had 5 children between 1791 and 1798.<br />
William then had further son with Mary Silvy in 1800.</p>
<p>My Ancestor is last child of William and Anne :-<br />
John b 16 Dec 1798 Moreton Valence.</p>
<p>John Silvey married Mary Hobbs b 28 Sep 1812 Frampton-o-S.<br />
Their daughter Mary Ann Silvey b 13 May 1837, Epney is my G.Grandmother.<br />
I believe Mary Ann had 2 brothers, Charles (I think c 1833 Stroud) <br />
and William 26 july 1835 Epney.</p>
<p>Would really appreciate any details on William and Ann Silvy, William and 2nd Wife Mary, and/or Charles Silvey.   I have plenty on Mary Ann.<br />
Internet is great, but nothing beats local knowledge!<br />
regards, Varian</p>
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