Forest of Dean FHT Forum - WEBB and LANE Families

WEBB and LANE Families (reply)

jchardy — Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:44:49 +0000

What evidence do you have that the Sarah Lane listed in the 1881 census as the wife of George Lane is actually Sarah Ann Collins/Webb? The birth date is wrong and the "blended" family only includes Lane children, not Mary Ann Webb who was a Webb child listed in the 1871 census?

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jchardy — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:56:10 +0000

I think you may have the two Livinias mixed up. My Aunt Vinnie was the daughter of Isaac Collins and granddaughter of James Collins. She had three children, Wilbur, Muriel and Warren. From your description, your Lavinia was the daughter of Sarah Collins and also granddaughter of James Collins. That would make the two Li(a)vinias first cousins and Reginald Hillier and me second cousins. The generations were presumably somewhat longer in my branch of the family than in yours.

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andyhillier — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:27:14 +0000

It certainly is a bit of a mystery - not sure how it can be solved, really!

If Lavinia (yes I've heard her referred to as Vinnie, too) was your aunt, that would make you the cousin of my late grandfather Reginald Hillier (Lavinia's only child).

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jchardy — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:44:10 +0000

In the 1871 census, Isaac and Sarah Ann Webb (Collins) only have one daughter living with them: Mary Ann Webb. At that time the parents had been married 21 months. (They were married 21 June 1869 and the census date was 2 April 1871). Mary Ann's age is listed as 2 years old so if the census taker got the age right (by no means guaranteed) then Mary Ann was indeed born out of wedlock. That would also make her 22 in 1891 but doesn't explain why all her names were changed: Mary Ann to Jane, and Webb to Collins. Seems peculiar to me. However I can find no records of any other Jane Collins in that generation in any branch of the James Collins family.
By the way, in my branch of the Collins family (Isaac Collins, Sarah Ann's brother) there is a Livinia with an "i", not an "e". She was my aunt and was known as "Vinnie."

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andyhillier — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:10:02 +0000

Sorry to butt in on this one - only just registered this morning. Sarah Collins and George Lane were my Great(x2)Grandparents - through their daughter Lavinia (sometimes transcribed as Linna in census records). Just wondered whether or not you did, in fact, bite the bullet and apply for a marriage certificate, and if so what the verdict was.

Also - a point that's been nagging at me is that in 1891 Sarah is a widow and has reverted to her FIRST married name of Sarah WEBB. Living with her is a 22 yr old daughter going by the name of Jane Collins. Any idea why she would have given her daughter her maiden name - born out of wedlock maybe? Any snippets of help would be appreciated.

Andy

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slowhands — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:08:43 +0000

of course they may not have married :-)

is where my instinct lies

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normanelkins — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:00:56 +0000

How Intriguing,and thank you for your reaction.
Not sure if you are looking at the register, if so are Sarah and George listed as widow(er). A second point against the marriage concerns the registration district. All previous BMD activity with the family has been linked to MONMOUTH.
And finally perhaps I should have considered my last point more carefully before
this. Both in the 1901 census and the 1911 Sarah lists herself as a WEBB.
Perhaps I may need to bite the bullet as they say and go for a certificate.
Your advice on these thoughts would be appreciated.
Regards
Norman
PS Your rapid reaction to my query doesn't match up to you SlowHands title.

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slowhands — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:13:09 +0000

I wonder if there may be a transcription error here :-

Name: George Lane
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 393

only 2 entries on the page rather than the normal 4

and two years earlier - same vol same page

Name: Sarah Anne Webb
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 393

although I suspect this marraige is :-

Year: 1876
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: GURNEY
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 38
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Lea Bailey
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Gurney (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: WEBB
Brides_Forenames: Sarah Anne
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lea Bailey
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Webb
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of George Cinderey
Witness_2: Elizabeth Cinderey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 124
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

of course they may not have married :-)

Name: Albert Lane
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

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1871 Lydbrook
Isaac Webb 22 Lydbrook Stock taker at Iron Works
Sarah Ann Webb 21 Lydbrook
Mary Ann Webb 2 Lydbrook

1871 The Boarts
George Larre 34 Goodrich
Eliza Larre 32 West dean
Elizabeth Larre 10 West dean
Benjamin Larre 8 West dean
Oliver Larre 4 West dean
Fanny Larre 1 West dean

1881
George Lane abt 1839 Goodridge, Hereford, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Lane abt 1845 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Lane abt 1863 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Oliver Lane abt 1867 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Lane abt 1871 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Lane abt 1873 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Lane abt 1877 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Lane abt 1880 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Newland Bridge
Sarah Webb abt 1848 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Collins abt 1869 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fannie Lane abt 1870 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Webb abt 1876 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Webb abt 1879 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Linna Webb abt 1882 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Delilia Webb abt 1884 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901 Lydbrook
Sarah Webb abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florrie Lane abt 1894 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire
Robert Lock abt 1845 N Boarder East Dean, Gloucestershire

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normanelkins — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:16:11 +0000

George LANE c 1838 from Goodrich married Eliza Johnson at Lydbrook in 1860. Eliza died in September 1875. Isaac WEBB c 1847 who married Sarah COLLINS in 1869 at Lydbrook also died in September 1875.
George LANE and Sarah are living with their joint families at Lydbrook in the 1881 Census. George died in 1889 leaving Sarah to bring up the family.
I have been unable to find signs of a marriage for George and Sarah.
Please can anyone tell me if there was a marriage?
Norman Elkins