Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Elizabeth PROSSER / MARSHALL 1838 Monkswood

Elizabeth PROSSER / MARSHALL 1838 Monkswood (reply)

rookancestrybest — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:06:10 +0000

I am extremely grateful for you solving this mystery as at least two of my mother's cousins have searched for years (decades before there was the Internet)and so have I for this information. I am also amazed that you have kept on looking since I posted this such a long time ago. The family story is that Eliza Agnes Prosser's father, died in a farming accident (fell onto a pitchfork or something similar). What I can't understand is why she went by her mother's surname if her father's surname was known and if, as is evident in the information I have, that she was in touch with his family. I am wondering whether her mother did or didn't marry him and if he died shortly after the daughter's birth?
I know though that her uncle, David Prosser and his wife Esther brought her up and that they lived in Lower Cwm, Pontypool, so perhaps it was more convenient for her to call herself Prosser while living with that side of the family.
It seems strange to me that the surname of the father seems to have been covered up by the family and I am wondering whether this may have been because Mr Marshall never married her mother or whether there may be more to it than that?!

Elizabeth PROSSER / MARSHALL 1838 Monkswood (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:02:51 +0000

ELIZABETH PROSSER OR MARSHALL
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 JUL 1838 Monkswood, Monmouth, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS MARSHALL
Mother: ELIZABETH PROSSER
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Messages:
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The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C023842 1813 - 1875 0104892 Film 0883710 Film
Sheet: 00

looks like a candidate for ( Monkswood is a few miles out of Pontypool):-

Name: Eliza Agnes Rook
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 57
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 316

1891
Eliza Agnes Rook abt 1839 Pontypool; Monmouth Head Brightside, Yorkshire
Agnes Rook abt 1869 Coalway; Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Brightside, Yorkshire
David Thos Rook abt 1871 Coalway; Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Son Brightside, Yorkshire
Loui Jane Rook abt 1879 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Brightside, Yorkshire
Mary Elizh Rook abt 1881 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Brightside, Yorkshire

1881
Thomas Rook abt 1819 Coalford, Gloucestershire, England Head Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
Eliza A. Rook abt 1838 Usk, Monmouth, Wales Wife Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
Agnes Rook abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
David J. Rook abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
Esther A. Rook abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
Jane L. Rook abt 1879 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire
Mary E. Rook Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire

1871 Coalway lane end
Thomas Rooke 52 Coleford Blacksmith
Eliza Agnes Rooke 33 Llannover ? Mon.
Agnes Rooke 2
Infant Rooke 13 days

Name: Eliza Agnes Prosser
Name: Thomas Rook
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 63

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1851 Lower Cwm, Panteague, Pontypool
David Prosser 47
Esther Prosser 35
Thomas Prosser 23
William Prosser 21

Catherine MARSHALL nee HYDE, Llandogo (reply)

rookancestrybest — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:28:54 +0000

I'm now confused about which may or may not be the right families here but have kept all the information so that I can make links when I have more info.

Catherine MARSHALL nee HYDE, Llandogo (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:06:29 +0000

you may spot a link here - you may not !

Name: Catherine Hyde
Name: James Marshall
Year of Registration: 1837
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 59

Year: 1837
Month: Aug
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Wateman
Grooms_Residence: Whitebrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Paper Maker
Brides_Surname: HYDE
Brides_Forenames: Catherine
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Whitebrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HYDE
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Paper Maker
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs She marks
Witness_1: The mark of Richard Williams
Witness_2: Ann Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

Year: 1838
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MARSHALL
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: White Brook
Occupation: Waterman
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

1841
Catherine Marshall abt 1811 Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Ann Marshall abt 1838 Monmouthshire, Wales Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Sarah Marshall abt 1840 Monmouthshire, Wales Llandogo, Monmouthshire

1851 Llandogo
Catharine Marshall 20 [40] Durham
Ann Marshall 13
Sarah Marshall 11
James Marshall 9
Elizabeth Marshall 7
William Marshall 2
Mary Marshall 1

1861
James Marshall abt 1811 Durham, England Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire Waterman
Catharine Marshall abt 1804 Newcastle Upon Tyne Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
James Marshall abt 1842 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1845 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire
William Marshall abt 1847 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Mary Marshall abt 1850 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire

... related to MARSHALL, LUCAS, PROSSER (reply)

rookancestrybest — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:42:24 +0000

Thanks for this I think that you have, as usual, solved a mystery and been of great assistance. This branch of the family has strong links with Pontypool so this is likely to be on the right tracks. I will print off what you have written and look at it more closely before returning to you on it. Thank you once more, you really are a sleuth!

....I've had chance now to study the info.
Elizabeth Ann Marshall signs herself as cousin to Elizabeth Rook (nee Prosser).

You certainly have the right Elizabeth Prosser marrying Joseph Rook. She had definite family links with Pontypool/Usk/Llandogo and the family said there was some connection with Ross on Wye and Hereford.

... related to MARSHALL, LUCAS, PROSSER (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:06:08 +0000

so just to add a bit of context this Elizabeth is a cousin to (?)

Elizabeth ROOK 1807 ish
LLanvair Monmouthshire ( could be near Chepstow or Abergavenny)

Name:Elizabeth Prosser ?
Name: Joseph Rook
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 99

an "interesing" family in Newport and Usk

Name: Eliza Marshall
Name: Richard Lucas
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 205

Name: Marshall Henry Lucas
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 157

1851 Newport
Richard Lucas 74 [34 ?] Usk
Mary Lucas 30 Ross
Marshall H Lucas 7 Pontypool
Eliza A Lucas 5 Usk
Mary A Lucas 18 Usk
Francis Lucas 15 Usk

1861
Richard Lucas abt 1823 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Usk, Monmouthshire
Eliza Lucas abt 1822 Walford, Herefordshire, England Wife Usk, Monmouthshire
Marshall H Lucas abt 1849 Pontypool Son Usk, Monmouthshire
Eliza A Lucas abt 1851 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Usk, Monmouthshire
Ira A Lucas abt 1853 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Usk, Monmouthshire
Frank D Lucas abt 1859 Pontypool Nephew Usk, Monmouthshire
Leslie R Lucas abt 1860 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Usk, Monmouthshire

which leads me back to :-

Year: 1821
Month: May
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MARSHALL
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Frances
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Oxslade
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: T.D. Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/4
Page_Number: 36
Parish_Chapel: Walford

siblings :-

1814 MARSHALL George Thomas Frances Oxslade in Walford Butcher Walford
1819 MARSHALL Eliza Thomas Frances Oxslade Butcher Walford
1811 MARSHALL Lesley Thomas Frances [not stated] [not stated] Walford

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I have found a Prosser / Marshall union not sure if this relates to your tree

Year 1772
Month Aug
Day 25
Grooms Surname PROSSER
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence of the Forest of Deane Extraparocial
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname MARSHAL
Brides Forenames Elizabeth
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence of the Forest of Deane Extraparochial
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns 1772 Jul 5 12 & 19
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Michael Webb [Parish Clerk]
Witness 2 Mark of W[illia]m Marshal
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Jno. Sargeaunt Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P30 IN 1/3
Page Number 36
Parish Chapel Awre

Elizabeth Ann Lucas

rookancestrybest — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:47:44 +0000

I have a letter written by Elizabeth Ann Lucas between 1848 and 1850 to Mrs. Elizabeth Rook (nee Prosser). I know nothing more about her apart from her signing her name as her cousin at the end of the letter. She also refers to a Mrs. Kathleen Marshall which is rather interesting as Elizabeth Prosser is referred to as either as with surname Prosser or Mrs Marshall in one of the Mormon records. I am wondering whether she might have been married another time and that Marshall was the name of a previous husband?
The date can only be as stated above because she refers to a baby called Jane. Elizabeth and Joseph Rook had a child called Jane who was born on 2/5/1848 in Coleford and who died in April 1850 at Coleford. I cannot find the link between either Marshall or Lucas though it is likely that they could have been from over the border in Wales.