Just seen this post and wondered if you could outline your Pye ancestry and tell me whether you have found a link to Edward Pye Chamberlain b. 1691, died 1729 at Dymock, Gloucestershire and his line of descendants.

Regards Ralph

Regards Ralph

Did you manage to get a copy of Eustace Hardwick's Will?

Regards Ralph

Is Robert Pye the owner of Farringdon House?

I am tracing my family roots, my ancesters are from The Mynde in Herefordshire.
I have confirmed the Poet Laureate Henry James Pye is an ancester but am finding it difficult to get a link to Ireland, where I have family.

There are two branches with same surname within the same area in Ireland.Both branches being my relatives.But like Sir Robert and his son Robert, differant religions.

I am trying to establish how this occured in Ireland as they obviously were from England originally, but its very difficult to obtain a link.

Any clues would be very much appreciated

Thank you for your help

Sounds like the same man to me, a rather distasteful character by all accounts and by what has transpired from the FOD's transcriptions.

Looks like this explains the elevated position signified by his name being appended to two Acts of Parliament in King William 111 time. I guess he must have been born during the civil war, or shortly after (which might explain the absence of a baptism). He died in 1718 in Forest of Dean so he lived a long and colourful life by the standards of the time.

Do you know why he received the engraved sword? I've searched on Free Miners of the Forest of Dean but Googling produces little of interest, just that free miners swore an oath on a stick. Do you know what advantages being a free miner brought? Did they have an association that would have given Eustace the sword?

Glad he's not one of my direct ancestors and only connects to my tree via a marriage to William Marshall a sibling of Mary Marshall a direct ancestor. It's funny how a single discovery (correcting a transcription error in a baptism record on the FOD site) has carried me off in a totally unexpected direction and thrown up a really interesting line of enquiry.

Ralph

JOURNALS, DOCTRINAL TREATISES, & OTHER WRITINGS

MEMBERS OF THE RELIGIOUS SOCIETY OF FRIENDS.

EDITED BY WILLIAM EVANS AND THOMAS EVANS.

VOL. XIV.

LIFE OF OLIVER SANSOM.

There was one Eustace Hardwick, of Shriv-
enham in Berkshire, who by marriage had a
pretty considerable estate of some hundreds by
the year ; but was an ill-disposed, lewd, wicked
man. He, as was reported, had misbehaved
himself, and abused the said Sir Robert Pye
and one Thomas Fettiplace, both justices of the
peace ; for which it was said some endeavours
were used to apprehend him, that he might be
brought to condign punishment. This so pro-
voked Hardwick, that he in revenge sought
occasion against these two justices to get them
out of the commission; especially Ju.stice Pye,
whom he thought he might the more easily
prevail against, because of his moderation to
dissenters. Wherefore the better to compass
his end, he, being an enemy to all good, put
himself into the vile employment of an inform-
er, and on the fourth day of the first month,
1683, he with his man-servant, one Roger
Waight, came to our meeting at Farringdon,
and happened to come in when I was upon my
knees making supplication to the Lord. When
I had done, he commanded his mnn to slay
there to watch me until he came again, fearing
belike that I would slip away and hide myself,
uhich if he had known our principles and me,
he needed not iiave done. Then went he to
the said justice to inform against our meeting,
and in the meanwhile we had a very good
time, for the Lord's opening, tendering power
was over all; and the serving-man who was
left to watch me was so far reached, that he
afterwards acknowledged what he did against
us was against his own mind, and that he would
never be so concerned any more.

After some time the said informer Hardwick
returned to our meeting, and brought with him
the constable, tithingman and other officers;
whom he charged to take our names and do
their office. But they being moderate and as
yet not accustomed to such work, did not make
haste to obey him ; but discoursed with him,
and went forth and tarried about the door until
we ourselves broke up our meeting, the usual
time being come.

While this delay was, the said Hardwick
and his man slunk away from the officers, and
taking horse got them out of town. But the
officers fearing some suffering, or at least some
blame would be laid upon them if they should
let us all go, took me and one Friend more, and
had us before the said justice Pye, He asked
me if I was at the meeting? 1 answered, that
I had done no evil, and had nought to accuse
myself of; and desired if any had aught against
me they might appear to my face. But he
spake very roughly to me, and seemed to be
very full of fury and bitterness against me,
though he spake kindly to the other Friend, and
in conclusion he fined me twenty pounds for
speaking in the meeting. I told him I did look
upon it to be a very hard measure to be fined
when no evidence appeared against me. He
thereupon asked the officers where the inform-
ers were? And thoy told him they were gone
out of town ; at which he was angry and said,
why did you let them go?

However, he caused his clerk to write a war-
rant, and he sealed it, to levy twenty pounds
upon my goods ; and then sent one of his men
away presently to Shrivenham, which was four
miles off, to fetch the informers again to give
their evidence against me, after he had set a
fine upon me and granted a warrant to levy
upon the goods.

Then did he fall very foully on me before
the officers and many others, bitterly reviling
me, and charging me that I deluded people, to
give away their estates at their deaths to en-
rich our church like the papists; and upbraid-
ingly said, you must take upon you to counsel
men to make their wills to ruin their own chil-
dren!

I knew not in the least what he meant, and
so I told him, and desired him to let me know
wherein I had done amiss ; but he would take
no notice of what I -said, but in a furious wrath-
fill frame ran on railing against me till he had
wearied himself, and then he withdrew into an-
other room, whereupon the company dispersed
and [ went home.

In the evening the informers came, and the
officers had me up again to the justice's house.
But the informers were very backward, and
seemed unwillingly to take their oaths against
me, till the justice threatened them that he
would send them to gaol if they refiised ; and
then they did take their oaths, that they heard
me speak in the meeting.

When they had given their evidence the jus-
tice presently commanded the officers to dis-
arm Hardwick. Whereupon they forthwith
took from him his sword and two pocket-pistols,
which upon search they found about him, and
then took him into custody for some misde-
meanours by him, before committed. The same
evening came over the other justice, Thomas
Fettiplace; and Robert Pye and he together
made a mittimus for Hardwick, and early next
morning sent him away prisoner to the com-
mon gaol at Reading. But he was soon at lib-
erty again, for the assizes began on the same
day, and Hardwick served on the grand jury.
For at that time there were some at court that
greatly favoured him ; with whom he so
wrought that within some short time both those
justices, Pye and Fettiplace, who had commit-
ted him, were put out of the commission for the
peace.

I agree it might be very enlightening. I have this which I have derived and edited from a British History Online article:

"Eustace Hardwicke may have been troubled by his “sinful” behaviour, for by his Will, proved in 1718, he gave two fields and an orchard for maintaining his tomb, paying for a sermon, and providing £1 worth of two-penny loaves for the poor hearing the sermon. The surplus income from the land was applied, as the donor had intended, in green coats for the elderly. From 1819 the charity's income was £18, double that in the later 18th century and from 1827 £1 10s. was laid out on bread. Up to 70 people, nearly all women, received clothing. The orchard was used as allotments in the 1920s and 1930s."

Derived from: 'Littledean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 159-173. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23258 Date accessed: 26 November 2009.

Yours

Ralph

That's really interesting and makes me wonder whether these are relevant to him as well, given the rarity of the name and the time line:

EUSTACE HARDWICKE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 SEP 1682 Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
MARY WEBB

MARY HARDWICKE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 JUN 1683 Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
Parents:
Father: EUSTACE HARDWICKE
Mother: MARY

EUSTICE HARDWICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 AUG 1716 Saint Benet Pauls Wharf, London, London, England
Parents: just says Hardwick

PATIENCE HARDWICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 DEC 1715 Saint Benet Pauls Wharf, London, London, England
Birth: MAR 1700
Parents:
Father: HARDWICK

EUSTACE HARDWICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 NOV 1719 Bromyard, Hereford, England
RICHARD HARDWICK
Mother: ANNE

PATIENCE HARDWICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 APR 1739 Bromyard, Hereford, England
JOHN HARDWICK Family
Mother: PATIENCE

I definitely need to get my hands on your references. The main problem I am having is matching the series of relationships in the British History Online articles that mention Eustace with the parish register stuff.

For instance the BHO says Eustace's daughter Patience married Robert Walter who lived at Cox in the 1720s and that Patience Walter, nee Hardwick may then have remarried someone called John Hardwicke (possibly a cousin?) Whilst married to Robert she must have had a daughter called Mary Walters, who after the death of her first husband (James Vaughan in 1755) married my relative (William Marshall) in 1763 so that he lived at Cox until his death in 1793.

After he died Cox was transferred to Thomas Ambrose, William Marshall's brother-in-law or nephew.

I'm struggling to find anything to prove William Marshall's wife, Mary Vaughan, nee Walters was the daughter of Patience Hardwick and Robert Walter.

All good fun.

Eustace is an interesting character and from what you have found so far, quite a locally influential one too.

Yours

Ralph

Reference GDR
Covering dates 1541 - 2000
Held by Gloucestershire Archives
Extent 148 series
Creators Diocese of Gloucester, Gloucestershire

Eliz. Hardwicke v. Eustace Hardwicke: matrimonial GDR/B4/1/813 1669

7 docs.

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the old Registers of St. Paul's Cathedral London

Eustace Hardwick, Esquier, of Little Dean in ye County of Glocester, vidower, &
Mary Ely of ye same place. Spinster, were married with a License from ye
Archbishops Office in this Cathedral Church ye 6th day of December 1712 ;
by me Henry Gostling, Sacrist.

Glenn Robertson

I wonder whether you know what this (Latin?) name is:

Entry Number
Year 1711
Month Nov
Day 6
Surname HARDWICKE
Forenames Baracessa
Residence
Age at death
Officiating Minister
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes Mason alias Hardwicke. In this record a forename was not clear so the best guess was given
Register Reference 11012
Page No 45
Parish Chapel Littledean

Mason was the surname of one of Eustace Hardwicke's mistresses. For some reason he and possibly his kin were buried at Littledean. I guess I'll have to take a trip up and see if he has a gravestone with any info on it.

Yours

Ralph Cook

Wierd name the second one though, is there anything similar in the database for other families or was Eustace an oddball as I first thought!

Would appreciate the source of the quote below:

“Miner against miner, and miners against all men”
Engraved on a sword for “Eustace Hardwicke Esq., Free Miner of Ye Forest of Deane, 1697.”

Thanks once again

Ralph

A house called COX, later OAKLANDS FARM, at the north end of the parish (fn. 66) was the centre of a customary estate of Awre manor in 1573. (fn. 67) It was alienated from the manor in 1656 and was probably bought by the tenant Matthew White. (fn. 68) Later, possibly by 1690, (fn. 69) it passed to Eustace Hardwicke; he was living at the house, then called Hardwicke House, in 1710 and was said to have a good estate in Awre and other parishes. (fn. 70) At his death in 1718 he devised the estate to his daughter Patience (fn. 71) and in 1720 it was settled on her marriage to Robert Walter of Bristol. (fn. 72) By 1741 Cox belonged in right of his wife to John Hardwicke, (fn. 73) possibly a second husband of Patience, who died c. 1762. (fn. 74) John Hardwicke was living at Cox in 1763. (fn. 75) It was owned by John Walter in 1770 (fn. 76) and later by William Marshal (d. by 1794). (fn. 77) Cox was sold before 1799 to Thomas Ambrose, from whom the house was leased as a farmhouse at the beginning of the 19th century. (fn. 78) In 1839 the house, leased with 73 a., was part of William Ambrose's estates, (fn. 79) and c. 1850 Oaklands farm was bought by Henry Crawshay and added to his Oaklands Park estate. (fn. 80) The farmhouse was rebuilt in the early or mid 19th century.

From: 'Awre', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 14-46. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23250 Date accessed: 27 November 2009.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46994

'William III, 1700 & 1701: An Act for granting an Aid to His Majesty for defraying the Expence of His Navy Guards and Garrisons for One Year
and for other necessary Occasions. [Chapter X. Rot. Parl. 12 § 13 Gul. III. p. 2.]', Statutes of the Realm: volume 7: 1695-1701 (1820), pp. 648-716

Eustace Hardwick of the county of Gloucestershire

Gualterus Paganus Hardwick and Paracelyus Hardwick
Walter Countryman Hardwick & (Paracelsus) " most stately " Hardwick
Para Celsus - greater than the Roman medical writer Celsus

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“Miner against miner, and miners against all men”
Engraved on a sword for “Eustace Hardwicke Esq., Free Miner of Ye Forest of Deane, 1697.”

http://www.grottage.fsworld.co.uk/Gossip.htm

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Year: 1694
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Surname: HARDWICK
Forenames: Eustace
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: Cha[rle]s Chapman Vic[ar]
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: natural son of Eustace Hardwick Esq. by Elizabeth Mason
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/1 Part 1
Page_No: 213
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1702
Month: [not stated]
Day: 0
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK
Child_Forenames: not stated
Fathers_Forenames: Eustace
Mothers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Surname: BEAL
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Cha[rles] Chapman Vic[a]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Two children have been born within ye space of two year last past in ye House of Eustace Hardwick Esq[uir]e of one Mrs. Beal Servant or Housekeeper to ye s[ai]d Mr Hardwick who is ye Reupted Father of w[hi]ch no Account has been given to ye Regist[e]r as
Notes: Date probably between March 11 & 25 1701/02 old style date
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/1 Part 1
Page_Number: 169
Parish_Chapel: Awre

In about 1690 to his death in 1718 Eustace Hardwicke lived at Cox, near Awre. He was locally an important landowner and is named in two tax raising Acts of Parliament at the turn of the 18th century.

He is also mentioned in the Awre baptism registers as the father of several illegitimate children by two women - Mrs Beal (his servant or housekeeper) and Elizabeth Mason between 1690 and 1694.

Of the named children we have:

John Guilliam (William?) Hardwick b. 1690, Gualterus Paganus Hardwick bapt. 1694 and Paracelyus Hardwick bapt. 1690 and Eustace Hardwick (1691-1694).

Does anyone know any more about Eustace, his descendants, wife (if he bothered to marry one) and the reason for the more ridiculous names given to two of the children and what happened to them?

These people are not in my family tree but I think they connect to it via the wife of William Marshall (1731-1793) who married Mary Walter in 1763.

Yours

Ralph Cook