Forest of Dean FHT Forum - LLEWELLEN

LLEWELLEN (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:41:33 +0000

How do you pronounce LLEWELLEN - in Glos/Herefordshire etc. - does it sounds anything like WELLING.....?? to the person(s) who were writing it down i.e. census, etc.

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:42:37 +0000

Name: Elizabeth Llewellen
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 26
Page: 225

Seems to fit with this :- and William using both WELLINGTON and LLEWELLEN - hence the confusion - will we ever know why ?- perhaps not but we can be pretty sure these are the same couple.

Name: Emma Griffiths
Name: William Wellington
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hereford
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 225

1851
William Wellington abt 1822 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Nephew Llanwarne, Herefordshire Timber Haulier
Emma Wellington abt 1824 Pencoyd, Herefordshire, England Niece Llanwarne, Herefordshire
Ann Wellington abt 1847 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Wellington abt 1849 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

ebbwfach — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:28:27 +0000

Hello Slowhands i'm having another go at solving the Elizabeth Wellington/Llewellen mystery, so I sent for the Elizabeth Llewellen Birth Certificate, it gives the father as William Llewellen and the mother as Emmaline (maiden name Griffiths), so is it possible that William and Emma Wellington are William and Emmaline Llewellen as suggested by m p griffiths on a later post? if so can you suggest a reason for the name change?

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:08:41 +0000

Emma Emmaline Emily - a possibility to consider

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:29:19 +0000

This is off the Church of Latter Day Saints. However, Ann WELLINGTON born Orcop aged 4 on the 1851 census.

There is an Anne LEWELLYN christened there 10 May 1846, parents William and Emily LEWELLYN ???? no Anne WELLINGTON

and then again Robert WELLINGTON christened 7 April 1856, Orcop, William and Emily WELLINGTON - (are we talking about Alias?? - who are William's parents ???

On the 1841 census,LLanwarne - William WELLINGTON is aged 19 and a Servant to John WELLINGTON aged 77 and a Farmer.

John WELLINGTON (Uncle to William WELLINGTON/L(L)EWELLYN - was christened 1769, parents John and Margaret WELLINGTON - nee RUCH, married 28 March 1769)

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:54:37 +0000

By any chance does it hint at Elizabeth's age in 1851 ?

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:50:21 +0000

Elizabeth WELLINGTON christened 13 April 1851, Llanwarne, parents William & Emma

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

ebbwfach — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:05:25 +0000

You could be right about adoption slowhands, I can't find a birth record for Elizabeth Wellington c1849 for the Llanwarne area in the freeBMD database, and you found Elizabeth Llewellen registered in the Ross area in 1848, so it's possible that they are the the same person.
Perhaps if I applied for the Birth Certificate of Elizabeth Llewellen, it might provide some useful information.

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:03:11 +0000

.. if she was "adopted" or born out of wedlock - and registered as Llewelyn ( but shown on the census and marries as Wellington , then discovers she is a Llewelyn)

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

ebbwfach — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:18:36 +0000

Thanks again slowhands, I have come across Elizabeth Wellington in my search of marriages of a Charles Davi(e)s and I must say that it made me think, that like you, that this could be the woman I was looking for, the date and the place fit, but can you, or anyone else, give a reason why she should give her maiden as Llewelyn? (or any other spellings).

Elizabeth DAVIES nee WELLINGTON 1848 Llanwarne (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:01:18 +0000

1851
John Wellington abt 1769 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Head Llanwarne, Herefordshire Timber Haulier
William Wellington abt 1822 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Nephew Llanwarne, Herefordshire Timber Haulier
Emma Wellington abt 1824 Pencoyd, Herefordshire, England Niece Llanwarne, Herefordshire
Ann Wellington abt 1847 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Wellington abt 1849 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire
Sarah Griffiths abt 1783 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Lodger Llanwarne, Herefordshire ( Relief of Union)

1861 Garway/Orcop area
William Wellington abt 1821 Lanwarn, Herefordshire, England Head Garway, Monmouthshire Carter
Emma Wellington abt 1823 Pencoyd, Herefordshire, England Wife Garway, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Wellington abt 1849 Lanwarn, Herefordshire, England Daughter Garway, Monmouthshire
John Wellington abt 1853 Lanwarn, Herefordshire, England Son Garway, Monmouthshire
William Wellington abt 1855 Lanwarn, Herefordshire, England Son Garway, Monmouthshire
Robert Wellington abt 1857 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Son Garway, Monmouthshire
Thomas Wellington abt 1860 Garway, Herefordshire, England Son Garway, Monmouthshire

Name:Charles Davies
Name: Elizabeth Wellington
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 39

<><><>< I wonder if this is Elizabeth "Wellington" ?

Name: Elizabeth Llewellen
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 26
Page: 225

Maiden name of Elizabeth ?, Orcop 1847 - candidates (reply)

ebbwfach — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:56:25 +0000

I have received the Birth Certificates of two children of Charles and Elizabeth Davi(e)s that I applied for, they both give the maiden name of Elizabeth as Llewellyn, using the freeBMD database I tried to find a record of a marriage between Charles Davis and Elizabeth LLewellyn, I could not, how complete is the freeBMD database?, or is it possible that they were not married?

Maiden name of Elizabeth ?, Orcop 1847 - candidates (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:05:36 +0000

2 other possibles from 1851 censusu

Elizabeth Holley abt 1846 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Granddaughter Orcop, Herefordshire

Elizth Pritchard
d/o William,Maria abt 1846 Orcop, Herefordshire, England Daughter Orcop, Herefordshire

Maiden name of Elizabeth ?, Llanwarne 1847 - candidates (reply)

ebbwfach — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:00:46 +0000

Thank you for your reply slowhands, I can't find any record of a marriage between
Elizabeth Jones or Elizabeth Rooke to Charles Davi(e)s, I think my next step will be to apply for the birth certificate of one of the children, which should provide Elizabeth's maiden name.

Elizabeth HALE nee DAVIES nee ?, Llanwarne 1847 (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:18:56 +0000

1901
George Hale abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Hale abt 1849 Lanwerne, Herefordshire, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Geo Arthur Davies abt 1881 Kempley, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Edith May Davies abt 1882 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Harriet Maria Davies abt 1894 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Stepdaughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emily Ann Williams abt 1878 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Phillip Chas Williams abt 1878 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Boarder Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth M Williams abt 1898 Bryn Mawr, Breconshire, Wales Grandchild Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Jos Chas Williams abt 1900 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Grandchild Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Name:Elizabeth Davies
Name: George Hale
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Crickhowell
County: Breconshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 154

1891
Elizabeth Davies abt 1851 Lanwin, Herefordshire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sophia Emily Davies abt 1868 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
William Davies abt 1868 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Arthur George Davies abt 1873 Gloucestershire, England Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Christopher Charles Davies abt 1874 Gloucestershire, England Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emily Ann Davies abt 1877 Monmouthshire, Wales Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Edith Mary Davies abt 1883 Gloucestershire, England Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Harriet Miror Davies abt 1886 Gloucestershire, England Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Mary Mood Davies abt 1889 Monmouthshire, Wales Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Wm Henry Charles Davies abt 1890 Gloucestershire, England Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1881
Charles Davis abt 1841 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Davis abt 1847 Llanwarne, Hereford, England Wife Dymock, Gloucestershire
William Davis abt 1868 Llangarvan, Monmouth, Wales Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
Eliza Davis abt 1872 Llantrissiam, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
Christopher Davis abt 1874 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
Emily Davis abt 1878 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
George Davis abt 1880 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire

1871 Gwernesney Monmouth
Charles Davies 30 Demmock, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Davies 24 Harconp,[ORCOP?] Herefordshire
William Davies 2

three candidates in 1851
Elizabeth Jones
d/o Edward,Ann abt 1847 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire

Elizabeth Rooke
d/o James,Elizabeth abt 1847 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Daughter Llanwarne, Herefordshire

Elizabeth A Jones
d/o Thomas,Elizabeth abt 1847 Harford, Herefordshire, England Daughter Kington, Herefordshire

in 1861
Elizabeth Rostre [ROOKE] abt 1847 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Servant Llanwarne, Herefordshire

Maiden name of Elizabeth wife of Charles DAVIS of Dymock

ebbwfach — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:03:05 +0000

I am trying to find the maiden name of Elizabeth, wife of Charles Davis,they are shown on the 1881 Census living with their 5 children in Dymock, Charles is the son of William and Amelia and was baptised with his twin brother Frederick on the 24th of June 1841.