Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Alexander HANCOX / HANCOCKS 1810 Sheffield YRKS

Alexander HANCOX / HANCOCKS 1810 Sheffield YRKS (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:14:19 +0000

ALEXANDER HANCOCK
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Event(s):
Birth: 18 OCT 1810
Christening: 25 DEC 1810 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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Parents:
Father: SAML. HANCOCK
Mother: SARAH {YOUNG}
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Batch Number: 7833134
Sheet: 77
Source Call No.: 1126441 Type: Film

SAML. HANCOCK
Male
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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH YOUNGE
Marriage: 06 APR 1794 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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George Hancox - Osborn Mushet the 6 men from the FOD (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:23:54 +0000

From the notes I made long ago when I read The Story of the Mushets by Fred M. Osborn,(published in 1952), I have checked and it was George Hancox who went to work in Sheffield along with my ancestor Thomas Rook and George Tomlinson, William Phelps, Jim Brookfield and Louis Joseph Turton. The George Hancox you have found sounds like one and the same person. I think the book states what each person's skill in the steel industry was but I only copied out what it said about my ancestor as a blacksmith and not what it said about the others. As far as I can remember they weren't blacksmiths but had other significant skills.

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:04:23 +0000

I cannot find anywhere in Yorkshire with such an exotic name as Seville, however it could be a poor transcription of Sheffield couldn't it? Some people pronounce Sheffield in different ways which to an untrained ear could sound like "Sheffeel".

This evidence you have found shows that the Hancox family were originally from Sheffield, moved to the FoD and then moved back again. It is fascinating because it shows how the steel industry led to people moving around the country.
The name Hancock is common in Sheffield but extremely common nearby in Derbyshire (parts of Sheffield were in Derbyshire once too), in fact many people say it's a Derbyshire name, so this is likely.
As the connection is with the steel industry it all seems to fit.
P.S. I wrote this before reading Slowhands' finding where there is a direct link with Derbyshire which bears out what I have said, Ecclesall Beirlow and Nether Hallam border onto Derbyshire though they are parts of Sheffield. It's only four or five miles from Ecclesall to Derbyshire even with today's boundaries.

The Birmingham connection with the steel industry may also be significant here too.

Emma Jane Howell (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:58:59 +0000

Some Hales are related to some Rooks so there might be a connection there!

HANCOX (Steel Tilter) - 1841 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:49:05 +0000

Ancestry list them as HANDLEY - but can see it is HANDCOX

1841 Census, Staffs West Bromwich, District 10 - Page 4 and then Page 5 of 13
Bromford Street

Alexander - 25 - not born in County (a smudge over his occupation) *
Violety - 25 - not born in County
Elizabeth - 6 - all born in County
George - 5
Emma - 3
William - 10 months

* on later census - Alexander is a Steel Tilter (Journeyman)

to hammer or forge with a tilt hammer

to tilt steel in order to render it more ductile

As the Hancox family lived in West Bromwich (this is still called the Black Country today) and Wednesbury is just a few miles away..... this shows the working conditions of Alexander and talks about a tilt hammer + adverts showing the uses for Steel etc

History of Wednesbury

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Wednesbury/industry.htm

Church of Latter Day Saints

Elizabeth HANCOX - born 18 December 1834, christened 13 March 1836
@ Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick

parents Alexander & Violette HANCOX

Church of Latter Day Saints : (siblings ? of Alexander HANCOCK)

Sheffield - parents Saml & Sarah

Sophia HANCOCK - born 19th September 1810 - christened 25 September 1810

Edwin HANCOCK - born 28 September 1813 - christened 2 April 1815

HANCOX / HANCOCKS (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:10:56 +0000

Name: Alexander Hancock
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 72
District: Ecclesall Bierlow
County: Derbyshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 154

Name: Violet Hancock
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 69
District: Ecclesall Bierlow
County: Derbyshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 153

1881
Alexander Hancox abt 1811 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Violetta Hancox abt 1813 Yorkshire, England Wife Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Esther Hancox abt 1849 West Bromich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Alexander Hancox abt 1851 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Nether Hallam, Yorkshire

1871 Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Alexander Hancocks 59
Violetta Hancocks 57
Esther Hancocks 22
Alexander Hancocks 19
Mary Hancocks 15

1861
Alexander Hancock abt 1811 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head Sheffield, Yorkshire
Violet Hancock abt 1813 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Sheffield, Yorkshire
Emma Hancock abt 1839 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sheffield, Yorkshire
Sarah Hancock abt 1846 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sheffield, Yorkshire
Esther Hancock abt 1849 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sheffield, Yorkshire
Alexander Hancock abt 1851 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Sheffield, Yorkshire
Isaiah Hancock abt 1854 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Sheffield, Yorkshire
Mary Hancock abt 1856 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Sheffield, Yorkshire

1851 Milkwall nr Dark Hill and the furnaces
Alexander Hancox abt 1811 Seville, Yorkshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire Steel Fitter Journeyman
Violetta Hancox abt 1813 Seville, Yorkshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hancox abt 1835 Ashworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Hancox abt 1837 Ashworth, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Hancox abt 1838 Ashworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Hancox abt 1841 West Bomwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Hancox abt 1844 West Bomwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Hancox abt 1846 West Bomwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Hancox abt 1849 West Bomwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

raccos — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:32:44 +0000

Hi
All I know about Emma's mother is that her name was Elizabeth Hancox and that she was born 1834-1835 in the Warwickshire / Worcestershire area. Her father was Alexander (taken from Emma's marriage entry in the parish register).

Following on from this, I located an Elizabeth Hancox on the 1851 census, born Ashworth, Stafford, father Alexander:
Name: Alexander Hancox
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Violetta
Gender: Male
Where born: Seville, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Milkwall

Occupation:Steel Tiller (?) Journeyman

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Hancox 40
Violetta Hancox 38 (also born Seville, York)
Elizabeth Hancox 16 (born Ashworth, Sts)
George Hancox 14 (as above)
Emma Hancox 13 (as above)
William Hancox 10 (born West Bromwich, Sts)
Sophia Hancox 7 (as above)
Sarah Hancox 5 (as above)
Esther Hancox 2 (as above)

Hope this helps
Chris

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

rookancestrybest — Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:15:25 +0000

Thanks for this. All I know is that Emma Howells was living in Sheffield in 1881. The family she lived with were teachers. In the area where they were living were a large number of police officers as it was very close to what was/still is/ the main police station. Coalway is where my Rook family lived (not just one branch of it but several)so I would be surprised if there were no connection. As the name Hancox was that of one of the other men who moved from Coleford to Sheffield to work at Osborn Mushet, could the Hancox have been related to Emma's mother (nee Hancock)? The Mr. Hancox in question was called George. I have tried to find out more about the other men who came to Sheffield but I have not found anything conclusive (I don't know essential things like their date of birth etc) and I wonder whether some might have gone back to the Forest of Dean or moved on elsewhere?
If you have more information I'd be pleased to hear it, meanwhile it would be interesting to see whether Emma married, whether she moved back to Coleford etc.

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

raccos — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:24:07 +0000

Hi
I have an Emma Jane Howell in my extended Howell family tree, born 1861-1862 to George Howell and wife Elizabeth (nee Hancock). This family were part of a much larger Howell family which lived in Lane End, Coleford for quite a long time. Most (if not all) of the Howells on the 1851 census in Lane End were related.

George Howell was the son of George Howell and Eliza Jones, b 19 Oct 1834 at Coalway, Lane End.

If you would like further information on the family please let me know.
Regards
Chris

Emma Jane Howell (reply)

rookancestrybest — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:11:04 +0000

Thank you for this. I am, when I have chance to go to the local library, going to see if I can look at a later census to see if she moved back to the FOD or stayed in Yorkshire.

Emma Jane Howell (reply)

Simone — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:35:44 +0000

I am descended from Henry Howell and his family..

Henry's daughter Hannah Howell married David Hale 13/10/1845.

The family are Howell but seen as both Howell and Howells on census etc

Simone x

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:21:07 +0000

The Mushet- Samuel Osborn steel venture is well documented (I think there are some documents about it elsewhere on this site, the names of the six men to whom I referred are recorded in a book written by one of the Osborn family (referred to by someone else in another section of this website). Osborn Mushet was a very large steel works and significant in the history of steel not just in Sheffield but world-wide as it specialised in making the special kind of steel developed by Mushet. The original works is still in Sheffield but sadly the building is now for sale. The Mushets were originally Scottish and moved to the Forest of Dean.

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881) (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:07:38 +0000

Don't worry about Howell/Howells, it's the same Welsh name. There were two Mushet(t)'s, father and son in FoD (Ellwood), probably why the move to another Mushet enterprise oop North. Internal migration within UK was endemic.

Roger

Emma Jane Howell (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:30:02 +0000

Once more thanks for the speedy response. I was looking for Howells rather than Howell as she is listed as Howells on the Familysearch.org transcription of the 1881 census. I ought to know by now to look for similar names!
She is probably distantly related as one of my relatives (the nephew of the one who went to Sheffield) married someone who was a widow called Hale (Mrs. Hale nee Fox) and I notice that the daughter of George Howell is listed as Hale (but this is assuming she is listed as Hale not in error for Howell, i.e. if the name Hale is correct she is more likely to be Mr. Howell's step-daughter or other relative through marriage). The family you have found has a steel connection and is therefore likely to be accurate.

Emma Jane HOWELL 1861 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:43:19 +0000

Name: Emma Jane Howell
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22

Emma Jane Howell (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:26:57 +0000

1851 Census West Dean

Henry HOWELL - 74 - Coal Miner- all born West Dean (Blind)
Hannah HALE daughter - 26
Maria G/D - 3
Susannah G/D - 1 month
William HOWELL - Lodger, 22 - Coal Miner, born Newland

next door

all HOWELL

George - 45 - Postman- born W.D
Eliza - 42 - born Newland
Ann - 18/George - 16/Emma - 13/John - 11/Keziah - 9/Eliza - 6/Susan - 4/Lydia - 3/Amelia - 9 m

1861 Census, Newland, Broadwell Road

Mary Ann MATTHEWS - widow - 48, Hereford,Goodrich
William MATTHEWS - 17 - Coal Miner, Hereford, Whitchurch
Thomas MATTHEWS - 14 - Coal Miner, Glos. Newland
Marcia MATTHEWS - 12, Scholar, ditto
George HOWELL - Lodger, married - 26, CoalMiner, born Newland
Elizabeth HOWELL - wife - 26, born Worcestershire N/K

1871 Census, West Dean Palmer Flat

HOWELL

George - 35, Fireman at Steel Works, born Newland, Glos
Elizabeth - 35 - born Staffordshire, Handsworth
Emma Jane - 9 - Gloucs. Newland
Benjamin George- 7 - ditto
Elizabeth Sophia - 4 - born Parkend
Louisa - 2 - ditto

1881 Census, Glos, Newland, Broadwell

HOWELL

George - 47, Collier, born Coleford
Elizabeth - 47, born Warwickshire
Benjamin - 17, Glos,Coleford
Sophia - 14 - ditto
Louisa - 11 - ditto
Jessie - 11 - ditto
Kezia- 3 - ditto

Emma J Howells born about 1862 (recorded as 19 yrs old 1881)

rookancestrybest — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:55:57 +0000

My family moved to Sheffield in the 1870s. to work at Osborn Mushet (a steelworks). Near to them in Sheffield in 1881 is living Emma J Howells, born in Lane End, Coleford. She is a servant to Hellen Aitchison (an annuitant), who originated in Scotland and Mrs. Aitchison's two daughters: Hellen and Louisa (also born in Scotland) both teachers, one taught music.
I am wondering that, as Emma Howells came from the same place as my Rook family, whether she might be related to them in some way? I have looked for her on this database and on Familysearch.org but haven't found her apart from being listed in the 1881 census. Does anyone know of this person and whether she might be related? I have never heard of anyone saying any other relative moved with the family (apart from one moving to Barnsley) though I am aware that five more families moved to Sheffield from Coleford at the same time as my family did. I know all the other family names and none of them is Howells though that is not to say she might be related to them or not related to any of them! (The other families were Hancox, Tomlinson, Phelps, Brookfield and Turton).